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The maturity lapses on the field are an issue as well. He could grow out of that, but that comparison to Manziel is real and could lose you a game or two.

Sorry, but the comparison to Manziel is not real. They are only similar in height, but Mayfield is almost an inch taller. There will be minor similarities naturally, but their games are completely different.

Oklahomas offense doesn't require him.to.throw to covered WRs.
Im.not so sure Mayfield can put the ball in a tight window with a 320 lb lineman bearing down on him.
Plus I just don't recall any qb in a Sooner uni being successful in the NFL ...Jason White ...Sam Bradford....nope I don't see it
Some schools just don't produce certain positions in the NFL
The Buckeyes don't put out NFL qbs but they do WRS and secondary players

This is lazy.

North Dakota State isn't known for producing NFL quarterbacks. Would have been a good reason to pass on Wentz.

So you don't think he's had maturity lapses on the field?

As far as what? Crotch grabbing? I'm not denying he did it. But to know and understand the situation wouldn't deter me from drafting him. It would actually help especially being the Browns, we need passionate players in Cleveland. We need that. I love how he is determined to proove everyone wrong. It also helps he has all the tools you want in your quarterback. But ok yes, you should vet Mayfield and make sure these aren't reoccurring issues. I believe they won't be a factor.

Don't forget planting the flag at OSU, running from the cops, flipping the bird, etc... They are already reoccurring issues, but young players do stupid things. What you are calling passion, I am calling stupidity. That's the last thing you want from your QB because the rest of the team will be following that lead. Talent wise I'm really trying hard not to like the kid so much because of mainly this and also a little because of his height. If we don't draft Mayfield, I won't blink because I can't be a fly on the wall in the interview room.

There are 3 things about Mayfield that give me pause.

1) Height - not the biggest concern. Other 6'1" QBs around, it's harder but not impossible.

2) Game style - his game is a lot of movement out of the pocket. There have been a few QBs who can do that successfully, but most end up either hurt or gun shy after getting hit repeatedly by the bigger, faster NFL players.

3) Immaturity - crotch grab, flag plant, no handshakes, flipping the bird, running from the police. This is my biggest concern. This is where I see the Manziel parallel. Maybe he'll grow up, but maybe he'll be a major problem for whatever team drafts him.

Lol @ flag planting being a maturity issue.

I would kill for a QB who would do that after a win.

I wake up to read Doug Flutie slander. smh Might have to go back to bed now.

I'd just kill for a win

even before the game. Reports of him throwing warm up passes at the heads of opponents are in another thread. This from yesterday: link.

Just how old is this guy?

Mayfield is very good from the pocket. He'll stand in there and take a hit. In fact I think he is as good or better from the pocket as darnold or rosen.


I've not heard the no handshakes one.

the handshake one was actually Kansas not shaking hands at the coin toss. It got chippy from there and ultimately led to Baker grabbing his junk.

Looks to me like he was just warming up and Georgia players were yelling at him. Also reading that Mayfield typically runs routes in warm-ups. No maturity issue there.

Yes but that I believe that was Kansas not Mayfield.

That's what I said, it was Kansas. There is no story on Mayfield where he instigated not shaking hands.

j/c:

I don't want to argue about this, but here are my observations about Mayfield:

Good:

--Nice arm

--Moxie

--Decent accuracy

--Buys time in the pocket

Concerns:

--Immaturity on and off the field

--Short

--Doesn't take standard drops [3, 5, and 7 steps]

--Feet are very loose. He reminds me of Manziel in this manner. Feet are way too happy and it's not even close to how you teach it.

--Plays in an offense that has him throwing to wide-open windows.

Conclusion:

I think he is a guy who should be drafted in rounds 2 - 4. I do not think he will be drafted in the top half of the first round. There is a chance that a team might take a chance on him in the second half of the first, but that would be a reach.

Each team is permitted the use of one part of the field for warm ups. At times he likes to use both. That is a maturity issue.

A college kid a little immature...willickers...

I watched the game yesterday, he had a good first half but the second half? Not-so-much. But still? I liked him.

Apparently he also made a throat slitting gesture towards the Georgia players, which is why one of them was later captered on camera telling Baker to "humble yourself."

If he's still doing silly things, even if he knows the camera is on him, it concerns me.

It's still not the big deal it is made out to be. Within the context of competitive spirit, I'm fine with it. With that said, it's just another silly thing that won't fly in the NFL. At this point, he should be aware he needs to chill out.

That's why it concerns me. He lacks impulse control. I am not trying to deny his talent, he's a talented kid. But do you really want to invest a top 5 pick in a kid who does things without thinking first. Did we learn nothing from the 2014 draft where we wasted 2 first round picks on players who lacked maturity.

+1, he's immature just like Johnny"Drunk" Manziel, sad Heisman doesn't consider character anymore, we've dropped lots since Tebow. Any guy grabbing his crotch, making slashing signals, etc. flapping his arms....ya he's young but SILLY. Pass please, Randolph from OKL STATE gets my vote over him easily....Lamar Jackson would be a project, but what a possible upside....GO Browns!!!!

I'll be shocked if he tops out at 6'.

What prompted them to ignore a well established 'curtesy' and collectively snub him? Do you really think he did nothing to cause them to make that decision?

he's 6'1/2"

Being Baker Mayfield.

Yep. It was funny last night watching Georgia players tell at Baker, telling him to "humble yourself" after the game.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/948027415808368642

I saw a kid with a lot of talent that has a lot of question marks about that talent transferring to the NFL. I saw a kid that had a great first drive and then in the second half seemed to crumble under the pressure. I saw a kid who threw into double coverage when pressed and make a terrible overthrow that led to an interception.

Now don't get me wrong, the kid looked pretty good overall. But as far as being an NFL QB, I saw more questions than answers. But hey, he won one more game than Colt McCoy and seemed to scramble better than he did when the cops were chasing him. But he was drunk then, so there's that. lol

And that's the problem.

Would you prefer that he offered to make tea and crumpets for the other team between quarters.

I'd prefer he just beat them on the scoreboard, and let his play speak louder than his actions. You cut out the part of my post that said I understand the competitive spirit, but at some stage one would think he'd want his play to speak for him.

On top of that, cocky nonsense doesn't help when you choke in the second half, and it costs your team the game - a game they were only in because his defense scored on a fumble recovery.

Otto Graham was a bit Cocky
Brian Sipe was a bit cocky
Bernie Kosar was a bit cocky.

Give me cocky before you give me a QB who is a kitty cat.

Or Katty !

we must have watched two different games..i watched GA defense make adustments second half and OU OC did not. Noone was getting open, they went away from the run. Yet when they fell behind, he came right back and tied it up with a TD drive...yeah sounds like a choke to me. Playcalling in OT is what did them in, plain and simple..nothing baker did. He completed the passes...they were stupid calls . Baker Mayfield was not the reason they lost. But continue with your agenda how he's a meanie

lol it's almost like Georgia was told to not leave their man in coverage and let the defensive line worry about the run. Have you ever watched an Oklahoma game before? This is as bad as your Cavs take, where you swear LeBron can't play basketball and Korver can't shoot.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400953412

There's the play by play. You can literally see that they did not give up on the pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlbLy0T3qaY

Here's the game in 40 minutes minutes.

Baker has had a few questions about his game. Can he actually escape the pocket? Can he make tough throws in NFL windows? Georgia made Baker try to answer these questions.

well you're wrong on both accounts, and clueless as ever. I never said they abandoned the pass....oh I forgot...baker isn't athletic enough to move in the pocket....lmao. that might be single dumbest thing I've ever seen someone say..


http://thebiglead.com/2018/01/02/lincoln-riley-baker-mayfield/


just about everyone realizes it was Riley that cost them the game, along with the defense