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What?! The Magician isn't making the pick?!

If Rosen is the bad teammate/leader he's been written to be, this is an easy decision. As well, there was an article I read yesterday that said Dorsey doesn't like Rosen (the linked article below isn't the one I read, but it has the same).

I'm still hoping we sign Cousins, making drafting a QB early in 2018 moot. I'd be ok with Alex Smith as well, but then we do need to draft a QB, and I can only imagine that'd be Darnold (or Allen if the rumors of Dorsey loving him are true).



http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/27/john-dorsey-reportedly-said-he-would-stay-away-from-josh-rosen/

Bone, you and I are in complete agreement on this.

clwb419: People, or should I say the modern excuse for the sports media, have taken everything Dorsey has said about the QBs in the draft out of proportion.

Dorsey has been watching Baker Mayfield. THE BROWNS LIKE MAYFIELD.

Dorsey doesn't like Rosen. THE BROWNS ARE TAKING A PASS ON ROSEN.

Nothing spoken this early (or ever, actually) should be taken with a grain of salt and the draft is a LOOONG way away.

j/c

If people haven't learned by now that every team will be sending out smokescreens to hide their intent in the draft this time of year they never will. They say what they want the other 31 teams to hear. The 32 NFL teams are smart enough to know not to believe the other 31 teams.

This same thing happens every year.

This was before he was GM of the Browns, not that it matters.

Tell that to the media, as if they care . . .

I really don't think the decision is tough. Josh Rosen is the best qb to come out of college in quite some time. This guy has it all. He can start day one. He reads defenses. He reads coverages. His mechanics are impeccable. He has a great arm. He has very good pocket presence.

This dude is the real deal. He is going to be a superstar and we cannot afford to pass on him.

I tend to agree. If for some reason we take Darnold, I think he is going to be good enough as well. By good enough, i don't mean just a decent QB. I think both will be plus QBs in the league and neither has a big bust potential.

I think we are in a good position no matter which way we go.

I like how you always leave Mayfield out. I wouldn't sleep on him and I would guess 100% he's still in play for the Browns.

There's a lot of factors I believe in play. Rosen or Mayfield could start day 1 if necessary. Darnold will need time and we will obviously need a vet. I would be surprised if we don't get a vet, but not disappointed.

j/c:

The great Mike Lombardi said he would be shocked if Dorsey didn't draft Sam Darnold.


https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/948714871935459328

Did Lombardi elaborate on how he came to that conclusion?

I wouldn't be surprised.

I feel it's between Darnold and Mayfield for Dorsey.

Even though Mayfield is superior I think it's easier for some GMs to hang their hat on Darnold. It would be disappointing but I'll root for whomever we draft.

The more I watch him the more I think this is a no-brainer. Take him and move on. Take BPA rest of the draft and we'll have a decent draft. Taking Rosen #1 overall will solve our QB problem and change the fortunes of the entire franchise. The kid is a beautiful passer, great timing, anticipation and ball placement. He reads the field and goes through his progressions extremely well. He's a day one starter likely competing deep in the playoffs within five years.

JMHO.

I keep hearing that he'll break.
Other than a concussion what is his injury history?

Magic 8 ball perhaps?

I don't mind Darnold and Kizer IF there's a vet who is capable of 1 to 2 seasons starting.

j/c...

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My 2 cents.
I dont watch much college football. The only thing I know about the QBs in the draft are articles and videos (I am not factoring in opinions on this board) Seems to me from those sources of information Darnold is the guy.

If we signed a vet FA, i get it. He needs a little time, IMHO. His decision making was questionable this year in the games I watched. He had a bad OL as well and was pressured non stop. I also think he needs work on progressions and adjusting from pre snap to post snap reads (watch his INT against OSU for a great example of that). I'm concerned about his fumbles, but I think coaching can fix that.

But...he threw well on the run, he has the arm to make any NFL pass needed, he had a ton of wow moments (good ones, and a few bad ones), he's accurate, from all I've read he is a smart guy with a high football IQ, and he can improvise very well.

If a year or two behind a vet can fix these issues, I think he's the guy.

This being said, if we don't sign a vet FA, I can only imagine Rosen is the guy, as he's much more ready today to step in.

Rosen and Mayfield are probably the top two who could slide in week 1 and start.

Thanks for the article. It comes from a reliable source.

For some reason, this guy Trapasso had Rudolph and Lamar Jackson as the top 2 QBs in his rankings. Could not understand that.

LOL...

Who is Trapasso? Doesn't sound familiar.

While I won't disregard everything printed at this time of the year, I also don't buy into a lot of it. I think we all need to keep in mind that nothing is better for internet sites and sportswriters than clicks and making headlines.

It's in their best interest to create controversy and stir debate. It's also worth noting that all of these guys aren't considered good enough to actually be NFL scouts or work in NFL FO's.

I don't see how anyone can actually look at these two QB's and feel they're all that close. Even on this board the observers for the most part feel that Rosen is ready while they feel Darnold will take some time to develop.

While I'll happily admit I don't have the qualifications to be an NFL scout either, I don't see them as being as close as they make it seem.

He got ahold of Swish's stash?

Cause Lamar Jackson is gonna be really good.

I know, but Rudolph?

We just disagree and that's fine.

I just think there's a lot more questions about Darnolds game that Rosen has already answered. Projecting what a QB may be able to do later is a little more complicated.

I don't think there is ANY question that both these guys are going to be at least Above Average QB'S.

Even if neither Stud Out that's good enough for me.

I am with you. I want or guy to be a true franchise guy....top 4-5 QB in the league, but I am good if he ends up a top 15 guy. You can win with that.

We have been strapped with the bottom feeders for too long.

Were we strapped or were they our choices?

Either way, as fans we have been strapped with bottom feeders since 99.

Either way, not sure I get you point unless it was sort of a joke and play on words.

I guess my thinking is being strapped is liken to something being thrust upon you without much choice. It WAS thrust upon the fans but the FO made conscious decisions to do what they've done.

We've had bad quarterbacks and bad head coaches since 1999. I think the two best coaches we had were Davis and Mangini.

We haven't drafted a quarterback first overall since 1999.

Weeden, Quinn, and Manziel were not first round quarterbacks.

You can make a case for Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson or Allen as QB1.

I think what Dorsey will do is sign a vet, draft the best QB he sees fit. Which I'm guessing will be Darnold. He'll ride out this Hue Jackson debacle until 2019 when he will hire his own coach. Perhaps Dave Toub remains unhired for one more year and he's our guy.