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I'm actually not saying I want him gone. I'm saying he is gone. He did it to himself. Getting Sashi fired just set the ball in motion. The fans would have probably given him a pass for one more season if Sashi was still here. When he got Sashi fired he moved himself right up to the top of the scapegoat list.

What's the ceiling, what is the best case scenario?

The best case scenario is that Dorsey acquires players that are very good and Hue puts them into position to win a ton of games.

I know you will scoff at that, but I think it is very feasible.

Nothing to scoff at. I'm coming to grips that Hue, if not gone now, will likely get at least the full next season, and posters who think he's gone by week 6, if Ownership were willing to make a mid season coaching change they would have done it this year.

I want to see the Browns win! I just think if Hue is here, ... give him a dozen #1's overall, and any Vet group you want and his ceiling is still 4-12. (Here in Cleveland.) (Now, on another team, all bets are off, look at Josh McCown.)

That's best case. What I think is going to happen is the 2018 team will be fourth team to go winless since World War 2.

Edit: Hopefully I'm wrong, surprised, and they win and are at least relevant, in the mix, next year playoff time.

I really don't expect Hue to be here after 2018. It's a shame he's still here.

I think Hue can take a team that should win about 3 games a season, and instead win 0 or 1. He can take over a team that Tom Cable coached to 8-8 in the previous season, and likewise go 8-8.

Following these trends, he can probably take a team that should be a 12+ win Super Bowl contender, and get in the playoffs with 9-10 wins as a wildcard.

No, he is still here. It's pretty damn clear that he will be here next year.

But, that won't stop a handful of posters campaigning for his firing several times a day.

Now, that's productive!

I've listened to Bengal fans call for Lewis to be fired in the middle of a five-year playoff run...I've listened to Steeler fans surmise that the Steelers need to consider moving on from Tomlin. There is a big expose' coming out today about dysfunction in NE - NE of all places...I'd like some of THAT dysfunction.

I think that bashing a 1-31 HC is warranted...it's certainly unproductive...but it's far from unreasonable.

I know Hue will be back. And campaigning for his firing is about as productive as posting in any other thread.

Hue went 1-31. You are what your record says you are. I know the team is not very good but a better coach could have won 5 games in that span, at least. Chris Palmer did it with the bare 99-00 expansion Browns.

This is the typical mismanaged Browns. We are bringing back a coach who is ONE AND THIRTY-ONE. The one time we actually should fire a coach, we bring him back.

I am not saying that Hue shouldn't be discussed. I am saying that there are a handful of posters campaigning for him to be fired and that they are doing it several times DAILY!

He's going to be our HC next season. He isn't going to be "gone" this off-season.

So those who were blaming Sashi for not getting Garoppolo were wrong all along...

The plot thickens. It will be interesting to see how the NE fiasco turns out...

May I ask how the news coming out of NE absolves Sashi?

I believe one of the articles mentioned that Belichick didn’t want to trade Garapolo and was forced, he liked Garapolo so much didn’t want him to end up in Cleveland, which is why he’s in San Fran. Just summing up more or less what the article said. None of us really know anything about it as far as it being truth.

I think only in your eyes does Sashi need absolution on the Garrappolo affair, since its not hard to realize that Garrappolo would never play for the Browns.

But the whole affair validates the point on the Garrappolo trade not being planned, so no way would Sashi know that he would be available....

I understand the frustration...it is what it is...but there are also people being critical who aren't clamoring for him to be fired or - in my case - are being critical and no longer talking about firing him because it appears he WILL be here in 2018. It's unproductive...then again, so is the time I spend on the net reading about the Browns.

It's no different than the continued Sashi bashing. It's equally unproductive and mute at this point...possibly even more irrelevant than Hue-bashing because Sashi is gone. But it's still a thing.

I'm going to do my part and focus on going forward. I'll likely have failings along the way, but I'm going to try not to add to my existing Browns-fan misery.

Agreed. I think there are plenty of things to bash Sashi over...the JG non-trade is not one of them.

Its a shame that we are even discussing this..... but that's the owner option...

We should end this the sooner the better, but now its going to be here until well into next season.

But we know we are not going to Win... so what's the point on delaying the decision?

2 seasons and we have no evidence that our Football guys aren't anything less than mediocre, and people are placing the future of the team in their hands...

Makes absolutely no sense.

Fire Hue and the coaching staff, bring in some guys before the draft, and start a new regime with the players we have.

We have leverage now with the draft picks to hire a coach, after we chose, and if they are bad,nobody in his sane mind will com here.

There is no possible scenario that we win keeping Hue... NONE..

Unless you think that we will start the next season winning... but that will be a testament of the good drafting from Sashi... and I think nobody in his mind thinks it will be possible...

This just in. Hue is not going to be fired this off-season.

There are a number of football teams with good QB's that don't win..

There are a large number of average football teams with average QB's that are competitive.

There even are football teams with bad QB's that win it all.

We had 2 bad football seasons because we had the worst coach on Browns history and possibly the worst coach on NFL history.

You are lying to yourself if you think the problem on a 1-31 team is the QB. Maybe you don't go to the Super Bowl without an elite QB, but be to be competitive....

And Hue had more than 10 QB's in 2 seasons + all the QB's he could have signed in FA and he couldn't even find one better than Kizer?

It wasn't Kizer nor Sashi that kept on calling 2/3 of pass plays, nor insisted on playing Peppers....

Just the fact that you have to excuse his actions should tell you that you are wrong... the moment you use excuses to justify your failures is the moment you are a perennial loser.

Winning won't happen until the Brows on Sunday have a better roster better talent and better execution than the other team across the ball
For 32 straight weeks they've been the been the lesser team .I will.say it now ..the Browns Will win 3 games in 2018.
John Dorsey has never had the expel a culture out of a football team as bad as bad as the Browns
His job as GM in KC will look like a cup stacking contest compared to to his project in Cleveland

Winning in the NFL is mostly about attitude... How many SB teams have failed to even go to the playoffs the season after they go to the SB?

Excuses are for losers.

I wonder if Sashi was still GM how.many would be proclaiming how much more improved the Browns would be in 2018?
He had quite of few supporters around here

Really? I haven't seen anything close to bashing Sashi in some time. I have made comments about Sashi but not bashing him. I've only tried to look at the results of what has transpired and make a little sense out of it. Let me go over what I've said and you tell me where this is bashing anyone.

Both Hue and Sashi report directly to Haslam. As such, Haslam knows what each man wanted to do in regards to the draft, players and roster moves on this team. And from knowing this, he determined that it was Sashi who needed to go and the he felt Sashi was the problem.

Now I don't see that as bashing anyone. You are right that Sashi was bashed earlier on. Posters vented and then let it go. I don't believe that is or will be the case with Hue. Many of those screaming for Hue to be fired are the exact same people who upheld every move Sashi made.

Lines in the sand have been drawn and they won't let it go. You just watch and see.

BTW- It's moot, not mute.

j/c

Shanahan couldn't win squat until he signed Jimmy G. We were running neck and neck with San Fran for the #1 pick. Jimmy G. was signed and they haven't lost a game since. Funny how that works isn't it?

Well didn't you get the memo Tab?

Hue was secretly suiting up in uniform and making all those red zone interceptions. It was him that failed to execute the plays and created all the turnovers that made us first in the league in negative turnovers.

You silly goose.

I don’t necessarily think winning comes from having the more talented roster on the field that given Sunday, it comes more so from superior coaching. Otherwise the most talented teams would have the best record. IMO the patriots do not have the most talented roster yet are always in the mix for a Super Bowl. They have talent just not the most talent. This isn’t college where Alabama, Clemson, are easily more talented then most of their foes and beat up on them.

I have never been a Sashi supporter,I think he took the wrong approach to players talent, and that he took a very high risk when he decided to scrap the whole work of the previous FO.

I think organizations move forward upgrading and not re-building. But in some sense I understood the need to start fresh, mainly because of the attitude of the team.

The moment he started not owning up to his mistakes and making excuses for the lack of performance was the moment I became a critic.

But, one thing we have to give him credit, he was a very competent General Manager. Only a competent GM could buy this much time for such an incompetent Coaching staff.

He always owned the hard decisions and stood by his coach. In the end this was his main fault, he should have fired Hue last season, and demand accountability.

The fact he got fired and remained quiet, after all the insults, is a testament to his integrity, so Kudos to Sashi for taking the high road.

I have no doubts that in the end we ended up with the worst professionals winning the power struggle, because with all the faults Sashi has, on a pure management side, most of the decisions were the right ones, the problem were the football decisions.

And guess what, we ended up firing the management guys and kept the football ones.

But I have no doubts, both deserved to be fired, thrown into the lake covered in feathers and tar...

You do realize that you're trying to compare Hue to Bill Belichick, right?

I'm sure fans of about 25 other teams could make that same argument.

We now know that BB called Kyle and asked him to make the trade after being told by the owner, so stop with all this non-sense.

Ok, tab....

I agree you need a QB, Kizer is currently not that QB. But I’ll pose this question, why was the execution so bad for us? Is that totally on the player? The QB? Or does the coaching staff deserve some culpability in it also? I just have a hard time believing that constant problems with execution is totally on the players.

I’m not really trying to argue with you just posing a question.

If coaches are not responsible for execution then....

The whole narrative that is being built to defend Hue is comparable to the new Star Wars plot, so much fantasy with so little sense and logic...

Probably but those teams didn’t go 0-16, and some of them decided to replace thief coaches.

And I wasn’t comparing anyone to anyone, just saying that it isn’t always the most talented teams that win on Sunday. I wasn’t even thinking of it in terms of the Browns, really.

I remember this statement when the article came out almost one year ago and I still never understood it. So what if trade talks take longer than five minutes?...A week? Two? In fact, outside of day-off draft deals, anything consummated in five minutes would have me alarmed. It would lead to desperation, lack of thoroughness, preparation, etc. You know...kinda like the AJ McCarron deal.