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It's still based on a bad joke from over 30 years ago. I know it's very offensive when reduced to writing, and that is how our litigious court system interpreted it, but you can't possibly believe he meant that seriously.

This coming from someone who used to call our President 'Adolf' and implied that everybody who supported Trump must be a racist.

Why should I take your opinion on this topic seriously?

You should know by now that Facts and Proof matter not to these folks. Allow them to rant but knowing the truth will always keep you free.

What does saying that it was a joke do? Is this suppose to absolve him?

Guess that News Paper was fake news if you didn't buy the clipping. Anyone can Photoshop something and upload it to the internet.

Good point. I liked this thread better when it veered off into the simulation hypothesis but I can also understand how some people might consider that whole thing to be crazy. It'll just have to be a separate thread..

Just keep 2 things in mind...

#TrueColors

#BlindHate

Suppose it was a joke.

Should a bad joke follow somebody around and destroy their career 31 years after it was said?

some of yall are proving that you really need to smoke a bowl every now and again.

some of yall need to upgrade to bongs cause you need to seriously chill.

and some of yall just need to skip weed and go straight to shrooms.

A man who was denied a position as a federal judge because he was a racist said that he used to be fond of the KKK until he found out it's members smoked pot. Why wouldn't anyone believe he meant it seriously?

Also, I used to write jokes for a living. Jokes have a premise, a punchline, and often a point. Sessions comment contains none of those things. It's just a racist guy being racist.

When Sessions called a black lawyer "boy" and warned him that "he better watch how he talks to white people", was he kidding then as well? What is the premise, punchline or point to that joke?

You're trying to make it sound like this was an isolated incident, and not one of many racist comments by the man.

It was made a teenager on 4chan and posted to Reddit's theDonald forum.

Imagine being dumb enough to believe that a wimp like Trump stopped a mugging in the first place, let alone being dumb enough to buy a doctored photo of a news article about it.

Perspective means a lot.

Taken at face value "I thought the kkk was good until I learned they smoke pot", sounds terrible.

When taken in perspective to the lawsuit he was working on, against the kkk and in an effort to charge some members with a brutal murder of a young black kid, it might make more sense.

If anyone's interested, they can read this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...m=.aa1cb12dcb9a


Remember, some posters on here, in the health care, have dark senses of humor at times: Joking about a stillborn child being called a "smurf". Etc. Yet, those posters tell us "Oh, that's just inside joking. When you do what I do for a living, you have to have a dark sense of humor", or some such excuse.

Look at it like this: He was trying to prosecute a murder. A murder where a kid (black) walking to a store got kidnapped,(by some kkk members) taken out of town, brutally beaten, possibly sodomized, and killed. Then the murderers took the body into town and hung the boy.

A reference was made to the kkk members leaving a meeting, and going out, smoking pot, and going to another meeting.

And in his sarcastic mind, knowing all the details of the bludgeoning death of the 19 year old kid, he sarcastically says, in a meeting with 2 other prosecutors I believe "Oh, well, I thought the kkk was good until I found out they smoked pot."

Sarcastic humor, in a meeting with other attorneys, trying prosecute a horrendous murder. He in no way thought the kkk was "good", at any point.

This won't change anyone's mind, I know. At least not that they'll admit to on here. But, context matters. Perspective matters. But, 'side' is winning.

JMO

Again, you guys are trying to make it sound like this is an isolated incident, and not one instance among many. We're talking about a man who once told a black lawyer that he better be careful how he acts around white people (the two weren't friends, and Sessions wasn't joking). He also was denied a federal judge spot because he was found to be a racist, with multiple accounts of testimony describing his racist views. He's actively fought against civil rights measures, once calling a white civil rights lawyer "a disgrace to his race". He has given vocal support to Trump, a known and proven racist, and currently serves in his administration.

What benefit of the doubt should this man have when it comes to a joke about being fond of the KKK?

Jeff Session's superhero alter identity:

He didn't say he was 'fond' of the kkk. It was a sarcastic comment. You, of all people, should understand that. Context.

Of course, on the other hand, you've said you knew about a lady that was sexually assaulted and you did nothing about it. (now, before I go any further, let me state that I understand why you didn't report it. It wasn't a 'recent' thing. She didn't want you to, it would've could've put her in a position she didn't want to be in, etc. I understand that, ok?)

But, your statement was something along the lines of "I knew a lady that was sexually assaulted, because she told me so, and I did nothing about it."

Using your logic then, it's safe to say you're in favor of sexual assault perp's not being identified. Further, one could say "pdf is in favor of sexual assault, as he knew of one but never reported it."

See how this works?

Now, in the future, should you be referred to as "the guy that supports sexual assault"? Would that be fair?

I mean, come on dude, you said it yourself that you knew about it and didn't report it. Hence, one could make the assumption you support it, right? Wow - what would that do to your book sales?


(take this the way I mean it, please)

Some things people in power should know better than to say. That was one of them.

Again, you're trying to isolate the incident, ignoring that there's a long and storied history of Sessions being a racist.

If there wasn't a mountain of evidence showing that he's a racist, then, yes, one could conclude that it's unfair to take a single remark to paint an entire picture. But given that there is a long history of the man being a racist, it's kind of hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's not a single comment about the KKK that shows Sessions to be a racist - there's multiple incidents, actions and comments. So much so that he was denied a position as a federal judge, which is often a formality process with very little rejection. 21 people testified about his racist views and actions, many of which have been detailed in this thread.

Trying to argue that a racist man was only kidding when he said he liked KKK is a tough sell.

Agreed. But, by the same token, he wasn't in power then, was he? He was actually prosecuting, or helping to prosecute, the kkk members that did it. You get that, right?

I absolutely promise you, I could find a quote of yours, or just about anyone on here, me included, that, if taken out of context, would/could be damning to them.

Man, people really go out of their way to defend racist and pedo’s on this board.

I disagree.

(I'm assuming you're talking about me)

See, tossing names around, like you just did, is easy. And the next step is guilt by association.

Look, 1 person on this board has even attempted to say I supported Moore in the alabama senate race, simply because I voted for Trump.

However, the FACTS are I said I thought he should drop out. I was also GLAD he didn't win.


Context. When looked at OUTSIDE of a race viewpoint, it often times helps.

Or, we can go your route as well. You voted for hillary. Consequently, you supported her husband. Her husband was a rapist and sexual offender. Hence, you support rape. Right?

(I know you don't - I'm just using the logic of some people on here).

Now, if you weren't talking about me, fine.

Well allow me to apologize for my Racist President as he has irked me with this news...

When he was meeting with Business leaders earlier in the year he complained we need to do something about Black people. He complained the unemployment rate among Blacks was 15 to 20 percent and they didn't have a chance with numbers like that.
More needs to be done to help them!

Today the report comes out that the Unemployment Rate among Blacks has now dropped to 6.8 percent! Lowest it has ever been since we started keeping records! 6.8 percent!

Darn him!


Black unemployment hits all-time low

The unemployment rate for black Americans fell to 6.8% in December, the lowest level since at least 1972 when the Labor Department began tracking the figure. It marks a swift comeback for black workers, who suffered through extremely high unemployment during the Great Recession. Black unemployment peaked at 16.8% in March 2010, well above the peaks for other

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/05/news/economy/black-unemployment/index.html

That's great news! If it's true.

I don't trust numbers about unemployment.

Wanna know why? After a person runs out of unemployment insurance (is that what it's called?), they drop out of the calculations.

Thanks Arch, so there is still hope.

you're defending Sessions, a guy who -and i just looked to make sure i'm not tripping - got ripped during a confirmation hearing by his colleagues because his use of the n word and other forms of racism.

his support for private prisons and hard stance against weed - both things that lead to an epidemic level of minorities being imprisoned, can not remotely be overlooked.

yet here you are, trying to spin for a guy who "might" have made a joke, while ignoring all the other evidence against him.

so i'm just trying to figure out whats going on with you. cause you're one of the last persons id expect to defend Sessions, but obviously i was wrong.

No, but I would say his history should certainly follow him around. Saying it's a joke, doesn't mean he doesn't mean those things. Saying it under the guise of irony, doesn't mean he doesn't believe it.

“Remember, some posters on here, in the health care, have dark senses of humor at times: Joking about a stillborn child being called a "smurf". “

To be clear. I never made any such joke. I’ve never used the term in my professional career. I’m a geriatric/hospice nurse. I’ve never worked around children or babies. I merely knew what the term meant. When another poster made the reference to ‘smurfs’ another poster asked what it meant. I, knowing what the term meant, chimed in and answered. Period.
I won’t deny that dark humor is used by healthcare practitioners but I will admittedly deny having ever joked about ‘smurfs’ or even ever using the term.

Fair enough. I thought it was you. Sorry. Point still stands though.

Thanks for putting up a link that put the context into the situation.

So, he answered these questions during a confirmation hearing to be a federal judge. So it's safe to say that Sessions is applying for a job. It sounds like he does not recall saying a lot of racist things. Which is a common tool that criminals use in court proceedings.

So now let's get to the joke. I'm glad you made a comparison to how healthcare uses the moniker "smurf" to this situation. Now, my Mom was a nurse, and I've known what a "smurf" was ever since I was a child. Not because anyone used it as a joke, but because it's a word used in the profession to avoid thinking about dead children. It's a way to trivialize the matter at hand, as they need to continue working and cannot spend the mental or emotional resources to deal with the traumatic thing they witnessed. It's not a joke. If I said a joke would like, "I thought smurfs were OK until I saw the cartoon." you would think I have something against babies and rightfully so, because who says something like that? But when Jeff Sessions says it, it must just be a joke.




Are you really sure you want to bring up Louis CK who constantly joked about jacking off in front of people (I remember watching him in 2009 make a joke about masturbating and turning to my date and mentioned the rumor of him doing that in real life and how distasteful it was.) in a thread where you don't want people to be taken seriously for jokes?

Nah, I'm not defending Sessions like you think I am. I've simply tried to put into context WHAT he said.

Take the one sentence, with no context? He's a racist.

Take it WITH context? Different story. You know, he WAS working on prosecuting the kkk guys, right?

I guess it doesn't matter. Terms get thrown around. Racist. Bigot. and many more.

When having a discussion, and one has not much else to go on, terms like that get tossed about.

If anyone gets a pass on a little dark humor, in my book it's geriatric/hospice nurses.

Thank you. You answered the question and probably don't even know you you did.

Re -read that part. Your mom used that term to trivialize. Got it.

Sessions made his comment not to trivialize the murder he was a part in in prosecution - it was a joke, said in a meeting with other attorneys. Period.

I'm sorry you can't see that.

Your mom used that term. Not as a joke.

Actually, if you read about the notes that Sessions originally claimed that the investigation was a waste of time and he told his assistants that they should stop working on it. He did change his tone when his assistant, the same one exposing his racism, broke the case.

Considering that Trump is a proven racist - having been fined on multiple occasions for racist business practices, you would think that his supporters would want to avoid ironically calling him racist.

Thanks. I’ll just say I’ve seen things I can’t unsee. I know how fragile the human body is and just how much of a cruel prison it can be. I’ve had days where I’ve had to hold my composure for 8 hours only to break down sobbing in my car on the way home. I’ve fought back more tears in front of families than I could ever begin to count. I’ve shed more tears than I could count for people I’d only known for very short periods.
Yes, our office humor could occasionally seem callous to an outsider. It doesn’t change what we feel, or how we feel, or how we treat those we encounter in our day to day.
All this said, it’s the hardest job I’ve ever loved. Even though many days I hate it, I wouldn’t change it for another career unless I could parlay my art into a full time gig.

You know in this situation, you're describing him trivializing the KKK and not the murder, right? He's making a joke about the KKK to trivialize them the same way a Doctor trivializes a dead baby by calling it a "smurf". If he said, "I thought murder was OK, until the KKK did it." he'd be trivializing the murder, not the KKK.

Also, my mom didn't even use it as a joke. She told me a story of another Doctor talking to her about it.

Ummm excuse me some of us old farts can't.

Where to start?

Enact policy to deny a states right to sell recreational marijuana.

Give money to drug cartels/black market, deny millions to public funding, I'm literally talking about schools and infrastructure..

Republicans have gone too far this time. I respect many of you, but the party you voted for has failed you, that is not a reflection on you.

We need to rebound with a global respect for planet earth, biodiversity. Your totalitarian onslaught against a Green Earth sickens me. You should be ashamed

Shut the hell up! You people regularly cast votes for people that approve of stabbing a baby in the back of its skull and vacuuming its brains out.

Talk about sickening!