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that didn't take long

Nope

How much longer will Hue Jackson be the head coach of the Cleveland Browns?

The over/under is set at one year from today and I will take the under.

I hope were both wrong that will mean we are winning ...

That's a really easy under.

If we lose the first three games or so next year, the calls for Hue's head will be unreal. He'll have to luck out a win in the first few games to avoid the pitchforks.

lmao dat title

Oh no you didn't just continue this...

I don't think Haslam is thinking about that now. But 0-3 and 1-34 he'll be seeking advice...again.

I hope our Lake Erie Monster wins the next 31 straight and gets his record to a winning one here and be 32 - 31.

Lol. Hue has to win his next 30 games to be .500. Many have tried, but no other could achieve that level of suckitude.

Hue part 3.. he's here to stay...


Don't-Hue know it.

A bad September will get him fired.
He might not deserve it, but his seat is hotter than a freshly ------ fox in a forest fire.
I'm glad we kept him but he's on a short leash.

Hue Jackson apologizes to Browns fan base

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-base-113275375

The coach apologized to the fan base.

""[Winning] is the one thing I came here for, and I have not delivered that to this organization or the football team; for that I apologize."

Attendance dipped to its lowest in franchise history this season. Cleveland ranked No. 24 (63,882) in average attendance according to ESPN. The road figures were even worse. The Browns drew the second lowest attendance rate this season. Second to only the Los Angeles Rams, who play in the StubHub Center, which seats just 27,000.

The team also drew the worst televised viewership.

We can still fill the StubHub, so we have that going for us. Which is nice.

Somehow, this will be turned into Hue throwing his players under the bus.

Nope. It will be directly correlated to himself.

Ranking the Browns losses under Hue Jackson (so far)

Posted January 01, 2018 at 10:06 AM | Updated January 01, 2018 at 10:06 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/ranking_the_browns_losses_unde.html

Ranking Browns losses under Hue Jackson

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Browns finished the season 0-16. Not only that, they completed the worst two-season stretch in NFL history on Sunday, making the 28-24 loss to the Steelers their 31st in 32 games.

This kind of futility deserves reflection.

With that in mind, I’ve ranked all 31 losses of the Hue Jackson era (so far). To do so, I developed the Frustration Meter, which considers such things as how a game was lost, competitiveness, the opponent and what impact a game had going forward.

The result is a countdown starting with the least frustrating losses and ending with the most frustrating.

Now that you know how this works, let’s get to the rankings.

By Scott Patsko, cleveland.com

31. Steelers 21, Browns 18: Week 1, 2017

The story: DeShone Kizer started the season opener and showed promise, but the Browns’ defense couldn’t cover Antonio Brown (11 catches, 182 yards), and there was that blocked punt for a TD.

The turning point: Leading 21-18 with 2:47 left, the Steelers converted second-and 12 from their own 18-yard line on an acrobatic 38-yard catch by Brown.

Frustration Meter says: The most feel-good loss of the Hue Jackson era.

30. Patriots 33, Browns 13: Week 5, 2016

The story: Tom Brady returned from suspension to throw for 406 yards and three touchdowns, and both Cody Kessler and Charlie Whitehurst suffered injuries with Josh McCown and Robert Griffin III already hurt.

The turning point: When the NFL suspended Brady for four games, making his 2016 debut against the Browns.

Frustration Meter says: The Browns were never going to win Game 1 of Tom Brady’s Revenge Tour.

29. Cowboys 35, Browns 10: Week 9, 2016

The story: Newly acquired Jamie Collins couldn’t stop Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliot and Co. from handing the Browns their biggest loss of the season, and making them the first team since the 1964 Broncos to surrender at least 25 points in their first nine games.

The turning point: After the Browns capped the opening drive of the game with a field goal, they kicked off to the Cowboys.

Frustration Meter says: Like that time the Browns had to start Luke McCown at quarterback, this was men vs. boys.

28. Bengals 23, Browns 10, Week 14, 2016

The story: Griffin came off IR and started for the first time since Week 1. He finished the first half with a 0.0 QB rating as the Browns fell behind 20-0.

The turning point: The Browns were never in this game. But, the lights officially went out when Griffin’s flea-flicker from his own end zone was intercepted, setting up a Bengals TD for a 20-0 lead.

Frustration Meter says: Griffin’s first game back was going to be bad, and you knew it.

27. Chargers 19, Browns 10: Week 13, 2017

The story: Josh Gordon returned, the Browns defense allowed just one touchdown in six red zone trips for the Chargers, but fourth-quarter turnovers led to defeat.

The turning point: The Browns trailed 19-10 in the fourth quarter when Kizer lost a fumble and was intercepted on back-to-back possessions.

Frustration Meter says: Gordon’s successful return and losing a cross-country road game to a hot team made this one easier to take.
26. Bills 33, Browns 13, Week 15, 2016

The story: The Bills rushed for 280 yards and only had to punt twice. Griffin was the Browns’ leading rusher with 48 yards, and was sacked five times. The Browns became the fourth team in history to be 0-14.

The turning point: Griffin’s 18-yard scoring run cut the Bills lead to 17-10 early in the third quarter, but the Bills responded three minutes later with a LeSean McCoy touchdown, ending the threat.

Frustration Meter says: Maybe the final straw for Ray Horton.

25. Steelers 24, Browns 9: Week 11, 2016

The story: Browns quarterbacks were sacked eight times, Kessler left the game with his second concussion in 29 days, and the Browns’ all-time record had more losses than victories (461-462-10) for the first time in franchise history.

The turning point: The Browns trailed 17-9 with 3:44 to play when McCown was strip-sacked and the Steelers recovered in the end zone for a touchdown.

Frustration Meter says: Beat up by the bully. Again.
24. Ravens 24, Browns 10: Week 2, 2017

The story: The Browns had five turnovers, including four by Kizer, who briefly left the game due to a migraine. Also, Corey Coleman broke his hand, Collins suffered a concussion, and Kevin Hogan’s ability to lead a TD drive rallied his supporters.

The turning point: Trailing 24-10 in the fourth quarter, Kizer threw interceptions on back-to-back possessions, including one from the Ravens 7-yard line.

Frustration Meter says: This was the week you heard all you ever wanted to hear about migraines. Which probably caused a few headaches.
23. Vikings 33, Browns 16: Week 8, 2017

The story: Kizer lasted the entire game and didn’t throw an interception, and the Browns led late in the third quarter, but poor execution doomed them in London. Also, Zane Gonzalez missed an extra point and a field goal.

The turning point: The Browns were in the red zone twice in the third quarter and came away with three points. The Vikings responded with two TD drives to pull away.

Frustration Meter says: How to make mistakes without throwing an interception.

22. Bengals 31, Browns 17: Week 7, 2016

The story: Hogan replaced Kessler (concussion) and rushed/passed for 559 yards, but the Browns couldn’t rally from a 21-10 halftime deficit.

The turning point: After a Hogan TD run drew the Browns within 21-17 in the third quarter, the Bengals scored two plays later on a Jeremy Hill 74-yard touchdown run. (Honorable mention goes to A.J. Green’s 48-yard touchdown catch at the end of the first half, ending a drive aided by a Browns timeout with 58 seconds left.)

Frustration Meter says: Not all sparks catch fire.
21. Bengals 31, Browns 7: Week 4, 2017

The story: The previously winless Bengals dominated, leading 31-0 after three quarters, and Kizer was pulled in the fourth (43.5 QBR). Also, Kenny Britt’s day (third-down penalty, third-down drop, pass off hands that was intercepted) didn’t go well

The turning point: The Bengals scored three TDs in the second quarter for an insurmountable 21-0 lead.

Frustration Meter says: The Bengals won just six games in each of the last two seasons, but beat the Browns by at last 13 points four times. This was the worst of the bunch.
20. Giants 27, Browns 13: Week 12, 2016

The story: The Giants scored 13 points off three Browns turnovers, and the Browns only got two field goals out of two trips inside the Giants 10-yard line in the first half. Also, John Greco’s season ended with a foot injury.

The turning point: McCown’s 21-yard touchdown pass to Coleman made it 20-13, Giants, with 6:43 to play, but an Eli Manning-to-Odell Beckham Jr. touchdown pass got the points right back with three minutes to play.

Frustration Meter says: The Browns were 0-12 and fans got two weeks – thanks to the bye - to stew over it.

19. Lions 38, Browns 24: Week 10, 2017

The story: Kizer had one of his best performances of the season, but briefly left the game with a rib injury, and the Lions pulled away late.

The turning point: Kizer was knocked out of the game with six seconds left in the third quarter and the score tied. When he came back with 4:28 left, the Lions led 38-24.

Frustration Meter says: The lasting memory of the game was a Kizer audible at the Lions 2-yard line that resulted in no gain and the clock expiring.
18. Bears 20, Browns 3: Week 16, 2017

The story: The Browns had three turnovers and a costly offside penalty, and Mitchell Trubisky outplayed Kizer to deny the Browns another Christmas Eve miracle.

The turning point: Myles Garrett intercepted a tipped pass and returned it 40 yards for a touchdown early in the second half, but a Carl Nassib offside penalty wiped it out. The Bears scored a touchdown four plays later for a 13-3 lead.

Frustration Meter says: Trubisky didn’t play lights out, but he was still a quarterback the Browns could’ve drafted.

17. Bengals 30, Browns 16: Week 12, 2017

The story: The Browns went 1-for-4 in the red zone and the Bengals scored their first five possessions, leading to Christian Kirksey’s loud postgame speech.

The turning point: Jabrill Peppers was penalized for unnecessary roughness on a third-down pass play with 3:57 left in the third quarter and the Bengals leading 23-16. The penalty moved the Bengals from the Browns 40-yard line to the 25, and they scored three plays later to seal the game.

Frustration Meter says: This was the closest the Browns came to beating the Bengals the last two seasons. And it wasn’t really that close.
16. Redskins 31, Browns 20: Week 4, 2016

The story: The Browns overcame a 14-0 deficit to lead 20-17 in the third quarter, but three turnovers allowed the Redskins to rally. And, the Browns lose another center (Austin Reiter) to injury.

The turning point: Malcolm Johnson’s first NFL carry resulted in a fumble at the Redskins 9-yard line late in the third quarter. The Redskins then drove 91 yards to go ahead 24-20.

Frustration Meter says: The image of Duke Johnson holding up the ball he allegedly fumbled will live forever.
15. Jaguars 19, Browns 7: Week 11, 2017

The story: The Browns had five turnovers (four by Kizer) as Tashaun Gipson’s disparaging comments about the franchise provided the background noise.

The turning point: Kizer was strip-sacked twice in the final two minutes, the final one resulting in a game-clinching touchdown for the Jaguars.

Frustration Meter says: The Browns have five turnovers and only lost by 12 to a division champ. But Gipson’s comments – and the loss of Emmanuel Ogbah - add to the frustration.
14. Ravens 27, Browns 10: Week 15, 2017

The story: The Browns had four turnovers (three by Kizer) to offset a decent defensive performance, which included a goal-line stand.

The turning point: Trailing 17-10 midway through the third quarter, Kizer was strip-sacked at his own 2-yard line, resulting in a Ravens touchdown.

Frustration Meter says: This wasn’t the first time fans saw a Browns QB strip-sacked for a touchdown.

13. Colts 31, Browns 28: Week 3, 2017

The story: The Browns fell behind 21-7 to the 0-2 Colts and had their rally attempts thwarted by eight dropped passes and three Kizer interceptions.

The turning point: The Colts, leading 28-14, picked off Kizer twice in the third quarter (at the Colts 3- and 31-yard lines).

Frustration Meter says: This was a game everyone thought would be competitive, but it never really was.

12. Ravens 28, Browns 7: Week 10, 2016

The story: Hue Jackson benched Kessler in the second half, but three turnovers stopped any thoughts of a Browns rally.

The turning point: The Browns trailed 13-7 when Kessler was benched, and McCown proceeded to turn the ball over (two picks, one fumble) on three of his five possessions.

Frustration Meter says: Instead of a spark, Jackson got a dumpster fire.
11. Jets 17, Browns 14: Week 5, 2017

The story: Garrett had a sack on his first NFL snap, but Kizer was benched at halftime and Gonzalez missed two field goals as a late-rally came up short (and McCown beat his former team).

The turning point: Trailing 10-7 early in the fourth quarter, the Browns were stopped on fourth-and-2 at the Jets 4-yard line. The Jets then drove 97 yards for a touchdown.

Frustration Meter says: Jackson said he would stick with Kizer, and then he didn’t.
10. Titans 12, Browns 9, OT: Week 7, 2017

The story: Kizer was benched (again) and Kessler, inactive the first six weeks, led the Browns on two field goal drives to force OT, where they had -10 yards of offense in two drives. Also, Joe Thomas was injured, ending his season.

The turning point: On the Browns’ second OT possession, Kessler was sacked for a 12-yard loss, forcing the Browns to punt from their 10. The Titans started their winning drive at the Browns 49-yard line.

Frustration Meter says: You lose your best player in regulation and the game in overtime.
9. Titans 28, Browns 26: Week 6, 2016

The story: Kessler threw for 336 yards and two touchdowns (no picks), but the Browns couldn’t rally from 15 points down in the fourth quarter.

The turning point: Down 21-13, the Browns got the ball back early in the fourth quarter on a Tramon Williams interception, but Ricardo Louis dropped a third-down pass at the Titans 45-yard line. The Titans responded with an 80-yard touchdown drive and a 28-13 lead.

Frustration Meter says: To go for two, or not to go for two (and when to do it), that is the question this game will raise forever.
8. Jets 31, Browns 28: Week 8, 2016

The story: With McCown back at quarterback, the Browns led 20-7 at halftime, but didn’t score again until 12 seconds remained.

The turning point: Halftime.

Frustration Meter says: The 1986 Browns were on hand to see the opposite of what they did to the Jets.

7. Ravens 25, Browns 20: Week 2, 2016

The story: The Browns led 20-2 after the first quarter, Cam Erving suffered a bruised lung, McCown injured his shoulder and the Ravens rallied.

The turning point: One play after Terrelle Pryor was penalized for taunting, McCown was intercepted at the Ravens 1-yard line with 13 seconds to play.

Frustration Meter says: A chance to win floated away as easily as one might toss a football to a referee.
6. Steelers 27, Browns 24, OT: Week 17, 2016

The story: With the Steelers resting numerous starters, the Browns led 14-0 early, but were taken to overtime, where big plays from the Steelers won it. Also, the Browns secured the No. 1 pick in the draft.

The turning point: There were so many. Isaiah Crowell fumbled at the Steelers 3-yard line with a minute to play in regulation. The Browns settled for a field goal after first-and-goal from the Steelers 2 in overtime. The Steelers converted fourth-and-2 at the Browns 32 and scored the winning touchdown on the next play.

Frustration Meter says: An 0-16 season had been avoided the week before, so this was frustrating because the Steelers weren’t even trying their hardest.
5. Eagles 29, Browns 10: Week 1, 2016

The story: The Browns’ Week 1 losing streak continued as rookie Carson Wentz impressed, while Griffin suffered a shoulder injury that cost him the next 10 games.

The turning point: Erving’s errant shotgun snap went out of the end zone for a safety, giving the Eagles a 15-10 lead in the third quarter.

Frustration Meter says: Getting beat by the quarterback the Browns could’ve drafted (part one).
4. Texans 33, Browns 17: Week 6, 2017

The story: Hogan started in place of benched Kizer and threw three interceptions. DeShaun Watson threw three touchdowns and the Texans romped.

The turning point: Trailing 10-2 in the second quarter, the Browns drove to the Texans 22 before Hogan threw a pick-six.

Frustration Meter says: Getting beat by the quarterback the Browns could’ve drafted (part two).
3. Dolphins 30, Browns 24, OT: Week 3, 2016

The story: Cody Parkey missed three of six field goal attempts, including one at the end of regulation, to nullify Pryor’s impressive triple-threat performance.

The turning point: The Browns win the OT coin toss and elect to kick off in overtime. They stop the Dolphins’ first drive, but get the ball at their own 9-yard line. Unable to move, the Browns punt and set up the Dolphins with a short field, leading to the winning score.

Frustration Meter says: With each loss after it, this game got more and more frustrating.

2. Packers 27, Browns 21, OT: Week 14, 2017

The story: The Browns led 21-7 in the fourth quarter in front of new GM John Dorsey, but the Packers rallied to win in overtime, fueled by a Kizer interception.

The turning point: On third-and-2 from the Browns 33 on the first possession of overtime, Kizer scrambled and was hit as he threw, resulting in an interception. The Packers got the ball at the Browns 42 and needed six plays to score the winning touchdown.

Frustration Meter says: Few things are more frustrating than an 0-13 team losing a 14-point lead in the fourth-quarter at home.

1. Steelers 28, Browns 24: Week 17, 2017

The story: With the Steelers (again) resting their star players, the Browns overcame numerous mistakes to have a shot at the end, before letting it slip through their hands.

The turning point: After the Browns tied the game at 21 with their opening drive of the second half, the Steelers returned the ensuing kickoff for a touchdown. (Honorable mention to Coleman’s drop of a fourth-down pass at the Steelers 11-yard line with 1:46 to play.)

Frustration Meter says: The loss that makes you 0-16, the one where you’re in it until a former first-round pick drops a pass in the final moments, is and always will be the most frustrating loss.

Objective reporting. Thanks for posting that. It confirms what I predicted a couple of years ago about how the media and some of our fans would be blaming the coach for such a dumb ass plan that Sashi concocted.

Thanks for verifying that, Vambo.

Hue doesn't deserve any blame for the worst 2yr run in NFL history?

Of course he does. Why do you ask?

That says everything. That last loss was the one that deflated everyone.



According to some no.

They'll need to get used it though because he got the only guy above him on the scapegoat list fired and Dorsey will not play that game.

You make good posts and then your regress.

Hue isn't taking a cold jump in the lake because he's a good coach.

May I ask if it was Hue's decision to blow the roster up?

Because of this quote:

No, but Hue had more than enough of a roster to win a few games. He owns his record. Others have the same right to complain about him as you do to complain about Sashi.

I think I am following you. I think you are trying to start a fight. I think you are bashing Hue.

However, I could be wrong and will welcome you to rectify my assumptions.

I think I have been fairly clear. The plan to blow up the roster wasn't Hue's. It was Sashi's. The handling of the roster was more of Sashi's decisions, rather than Hue's. There was a huge disconnect between Sashi and Hue. Haslam brought in outside guys to weigh in on what was happening. Haslam fired Sashi. Not Hue.

Y'all can spew all the BS you want but those of us who are fairly intelligent are not going to buy that crap.

The right guy was retained and the right guy was fired.

If you don't like it, go root for Sashi's new employer. Oh wait............there isn't a team willing to hire him. LOL............what a joke.

Fair enough, but I don't complain about Sashi several times a day on multiple posts that have nothing to do w/either Hue or Sashi like you guys do.

You guys ruin several threads daily.

Please stop!

Hue was all in for it when he was hired if he didn't agree he could have just taken the NY job.

Lol. By bashing Hue I'm trying to start a fight. I'm bashing both Hue and Sashi. They got us into this mess. Which turd smells worse? lol.

I don't care if you do Vers and you and several others do. I don't even care about all of the upcoming excuses for Hue that will be blamed on Sashi long after he is gone.

It is, what it is. Nobody is going to come in and tell you not to bash Sashi in a thread. You'll probably get someone that will point out Hue's involvement, but you knew that was coming when you made the post.

It will all be different once Hue gets fired and that is the biggest reason why he is probably going to get fired pretty soon.

He's on the top of the scapegoat list now, but once he's gone there won't be someone else on it for a while.

JC

I think its a bad decision all the way around how its being handled. With the youngest team in the NFL.. you're telling this guy he needs to win immediately with with what hes got and a new a new corps of 2018 draft picks to go thru.. On the other hand if he shows no improvement..

This is one of my problems with Jackson. I can handle young struggles, but this team has shown little to no improvement in the last two years. Half the time, they can't even line up properly, they give away too many penalties, miss too many tackles and make too many costly errors.

The problem isn't just the talent - the team is poorly coached, lacks discipline and makes too many fundamental errors.

When combined with the clear-to-anyone-objective errors with scheme and playcalling, such as leading the league in blitzing, playing off coverage and running vertical routes, it becomes clear that talent isn't the only problem.

Does anyone remember where we found those numbers from the vertical routes? It was last updated a few weeks ago and I'd love to see the end-of-season tally. Running all-go twice as much as the next highest team has to raise questions with the head coach, but we're bad people with an agenda if we question it. Meh.

He may not have to luck out, but I have been saying for some time he has to win 2 of the first 5 games or he wont be around for the 6th game. One out of five isn't going to cut it.

Happy Birthday.

According to a list of teams by age, the Browns are 24.2 and the Rams (next youngest) are 25.1.

We won 0 games, the Rams won 11. Looks to me we should see a significant rise in our winning percentage. So next year we will be as old as the Rams were this year. Looks like 11 wins is the number to expect if we are going to cling to the youngest team in the league BS.

Exactly......

I’ve been trying to make this same point. A good coach finds ways to win. Hue hasn’t. Just blames others for the losses, with no culpability to himself. Look at Bowles in New York. Didn’t complain about what he was given, talent wise, just went out and coached. And won a few games. That’s a professional coach.

This just in: Hue Jackson is returning for the 2018 season, despite all the whining and crying of certain fans who never learned that firing coaches every two years has been a huge part of the team's failures.

Thank God Haslam is finally ignoring those people and doing the right thing.