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Not intended as 'smack'. Feel this is a football topic, as it pertains to a football player.
I know quite a few bengal fans were counting on his return, this is a surprise as all previous indications were that he would be reinstated. He must have failed a test, or not have been contrite enough to show he 'learned a lesson'.
Good for us though, as it weakens a division opponent, if from nothing else their depth.
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By GEOFF HOBSON
July 26, 2007
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Updated: 11:15 a.m.
Even before the Bengals held their first team meeting of the season, the NFL stunned them with Thursday's decision to lengthen Odell Thurman's suspension for another year, according to a Bengals press release. He may reapply for reinstatement after the 2007 season.
Thurman had been expecting to be reinstated in time for the start of training camp, which opens Thursday with the Bengals reporting in preparation for Friday's first practice. For the past month, Safarrah Lawson, one of Thurman's representatives, has been saying that Thurman met all the requirements of the league's substance abuse policy.
Lawson had no comment Thursday.
Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis has been insisting that he wasn't counting on Thurman and didn't list him on the team's first depth chart of the season. But there had been some hope that if he could come near his 2005 form that put him in the NFL Rookie of the Year mix that he would rejuvenate the defense.
The idea had been that they could put Thurman and his five interceptions and four forced fumbles at weak-side linebacker after moving him out of the middle in favor of Ahmad Brooks.
Now that spot clearly belongs to Landon Johnson and Ed Hartwell.
Four of the draft picks are headed here. According to agent Jeff Sperbeck on Thursday morning, fifth-round pick Jeff Rowe has agreed to a deal.
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6142
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I'm curious,, if, as his rep says, he's met all conditions for reinstatment, why did the league decide not to do so? I'm no lawyer, but if he met all conditions and is denied an opportunity to earn his living,, I gotta believe there will be legal action... Just have to believe it
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Agree, it would seem as if it was an arbitrary extension of the suspension otherwise. My guess is, and I hate to guess without more facts, that he failed something along the way that his 'represenative' has not been made aware.
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It would almost have to be something like that...
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I"m sure in the following weeks something will come out about this mess... it doens't look good for the Bengals organization not the NFL.
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He must have had another transgression since last season, otherwise they're really putting the screws to him, and maybe being unfair.
Even if he is a Bungle.
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I'd be surprised if the Players Union doesn't get involved in this and pressure the bengals to release him if they refuse to accept him back.
Good news for us though... Thurman as a rookie was a force... a few more years of seasoning and he'll be scary.
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Unless he did something else big that we don't know about, this is huge news for the way we should expect to see situations like Pac Man's and Vick's play out over the next couple months. If the administration is really going this tough on troublemakers, this will signal how drastic this shift has been in the way the league is treating problem players.
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Question... Just because he is eligible for reinstatement does that mean he has to be reinstated if nothing else has happened?
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Question... Just because he is eligible for reinstatement does that mean he has to be reinstated if nothing else has happened?
No. Typically guys are reinstated just as a good faith for serving their suspension, but the league has to allow them to return. Pre- Goodell, it was pretty much an automatic, but now it's obvious he's serious on cracking down on potential wrong doers.
I can't see Thurman coming back from this. One year out of the league is a near death sentence, two is almost a lock. I'd expect the Bengals to release him at this point.
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Thanks Big C for the quick response.
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didnt he just get in more trouble a few months back, something about a gun at a party or somethng ?
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No charges were filed in the incident, the guys withdrew their complaint.
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didnt he just get in more trouble a few months back, something about a gun at a party or somethng ?
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On May 15th, 2007, Bengals' head coach Marvin Lewis told ESPN that Thurman would have the chance to return to the team, if reinstated by the NFL. Thurman will be eligible for reinstatement on July 11, 2007. It was suspected that the organization would cut Thurman from the roster, but Lewis said otherwise. [7]
On June 5th, however, ESPN reported that he was allegedly wanted for assault in Georgia along with kicking and hitting two men. However, as it turns out he was not in fact "wanted" for arrest he, and his brother, were sought for questioning in connection with said assault. However the Sherriff involved in the case said that the incident was not quickly reported and that a magistrate would choose whether or not to continue with the charges on June 8th 2007. Conflicting reports from witnesses at the party where the assault allegedly occurred however may make prosecution of this case difficult. [8]
On June 8th Papers seeking to dismiss the charges stated above were filed, and charges against the linebacker were summarily dropped. Chrissy Pitts, deputy clerk of Magistrate Court in Jasper County, said "It was settled, we aren’t aware of any terms that were involved in the settlement. That was between the attorneys and the parties.” [9]
On July 25th, Thurman's request for re-instatement into the NFL was denied by commissioner Roger Goodell, meaning that he will not be able to play in 2007 [1].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odell_Thurman
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I don't know. It's nearly impossible to keep up with the Bengals police blotter.
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He must have had another transgression since last season, otherwise they're really putting the screws to him, and maybe being unfair.
Even if he is a Bungle.
I don't even remember what the guy did......but in general, I agree.
I don't know if Goodell sees himself as the "Kennisaw Mt." Landis of the NFL, but it could get a bit carried away.
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my guess is that sumptin else happend ... but if not I have no probs with his Keensaw type tude .....
its kinda like when u let your kids run rampant for a few days ... maybe u were gone and the wife let them have their way for a week ... when u get home u need to really really be tough with them as tehir used to stretchign the boundaries and getting away with things ... well NFL players been doing as they pleased and ABUSING it for the last 3 or 4 years with almost no ramifications .. so now hes "reigning" them back in ...
now if it goes on for 20 more years then he will be like Landis was .. just a bitter old fart taking it out on everyone .. *L* ..
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I would say that is a pretty fair guess.
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Diam Dawg its going to be harder to replace Odell Thurman than Eric Steinbach. IMO,right now until one of the LB's between Rashad Jeanty,Landon Johnson and Ahmed Brooks can replenish Odell's big play ability and attitude on the field,its a blow to the defense.so if you expected me to downplay this and what not,you were wrong..
Losing Odell on defense is like the Browns losing KW2 on offense.
The ironic thing is,is that Marvin Lewis never counted on Odell being part of the team in 2007 while everybody else was.
If Odell has done what the league has asked of him.......this call by Goodell is pure poppycock.
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Goodell can lengthen a suspension as he wants...He can also shorten a suspension... but only if youre white. Jared Allen is a two time offender of the leagues substance abuse policy... and he had his suspension (that was intentionally kept out of the media) reduced from 4 games to 2. But performance enhancers really arent that bad, right?
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Diam Dawg its going to be harder to replace Odell Thurman than Eric Steinbach.
Steinbach was a top 5 guard in the entire NFL. Andrew Whithworth is no where near as athletic, quick, have as nice footwork/technique than Eric.
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Goodell can lengthen a suspension as he wants...He can also shorten a suspension... but only if youre white.
Someone ALWAYS has to pull the race card. 
Maybe the white guy is NOT a thug getting involved in MORE incidents and keeping his nose clean, and others are not.
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That is the dumbest freaking thing I've read on here.... and that is saying something.
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That is the dumbest freaking thing I've read on here.... and that is saying something.
That REALLY is saying something. 
You are correct though, not just dumb, ignorant.
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steve hutchinson shawn andrews kris dielman alan faneca ruben brown brian waters i just names 6 guards that are better than steiny. whitworth played and started at left tackle last for 10 games. he may not be able to pull like eric but he won't be pushed back into palmer like him either. 
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The problem is that you named them based on your biased (and bitter because you lost him) opinion. It's amazing how Bengal fans always say they won't be hurt by losing this person or that person. Yet when they're playing for the Bengals, they're world beaters.
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i just names 6 guards that are better than steiny. whitworth played and started at left tackle last for 10 games. he may not be able to pull like eric but he won't be pushed back into palmer like him either.
Ruben Brown and Brian Waters were not better last year than Eric. . Eric is light years better than Faneca in pass protection and he's also better than Dielman. You just named 6 guards on good teams nice try though. They wont need to push Whitworth into palmer because they'll go right by him 
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I think Lefty wants Jessie and Al to visit his house ... kind of a dumb thing to say,, not to mention just plain racist.
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never once did i sing the praises of eric. i blame/d him for carson getting his knee hurt in the new england game of '04 where seymour overpowered him and then again when he GAVE up on a block and carson's knee is shredded by kimo. the fact remains is that he is great at pulling and trapping but is nothing spectacular when it comes to the other aspects of the line but now that he is part of the brown's oline, canton here we come! 
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The fact remains that almost every expert in the game disagrees with you. Continue, though, it's just like when Thurman was suspended last year and the Bengals said he was no great loss, but then was pointing to him returning as solidifying the defense and when Henry was playing last year he was great but now that he's suspended won't be missed because of the depth at WR.
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i just names 6 guards that are better than steiny. whitworth played and started at left tackle last for 10 games. he may not be able to pull like eric but he won't be pushed back into palmer like him either.
Ruben Brown and Brian Waters were not better last year than Eric. . Eric is light years better than Faneca in pass protection and he's also better than Dielman. You just named 6 guards on good teams nice try though. They wont need to push Whitworth into palmer because they'll go right by him
says the guy who watched eric 2x a year go against a crappy dline. i've watched him since day one and the fact remains is that he gets pushed around. at first thought it was because of a bad arm but even after he had tommy john surgery, he was still getting pushed back. a mediocre guard that is great a pulling and trapping.
as for people getting by whitworth, he did a pretty good job at protecting palmer's back for the 10 games he started last year.
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The fact remains that almost every expert in the game disagrees with you. Continue, though, it's just like when Thurman was suspended last year and the Bengals said he was no great loss, but then was pointing to him returning as solidifying the defense and when Henry was playing last year he was great but now that he's suspended won't be missed because of the depth at WR.
oh no i agree with you on thurman and henry. thurman had the ability to change a game with his playmaking ability and i was looking for him to come back. if he screwed up again, then he's pretty much out of the nfl and the hope that ahmad brooks can do the job comes into play. as for henry, his 9 touchdowns and leaping ability are going to hurt this offense. that was proven when he was out for 4 games. points and yards both went down. the question is if tab perry can contribute. before he was injured, it seemed that carson looked to him on 3rd down.
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Goodell can lengthen a suspension as he wants...He can also shorten a suspension... but only if youre white.
Someone ALWAYS has to pull the race card.
Maybe the white guy is NOT a thug getting involved in MORE incidents and keeping his nose clean, and others are not.
I didnt pull the race card. I'm just saying I dont understand why a guy who was caught using steroids for his second time got his suspension reduced. Sure Thurman might be a thug but Allen cheated the game twice, and barely got a slap on the wrist. Why is that? Merriman was caught with steroids once and it was all over the news and suspended for 4 games but when Allen is caught with them twice Goodell looks the opposite way and reduces his suspension. Why is that? Just because Allen is portrayed as a blue collar working guy. Thats bull, if he's going to dish out punishment he has to be consistent.
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I think Lefty wants Jessie and Al to visit his house ... kind of a dumb thing to say,, not to mention just plain racist.
How was it racist? Is it not fact that Goodell handed down very swift and hard penalties for all the players except for the one white player who CHEATED.
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Ruben Brown and Brian Waters were not better last year than Eric. . Eric is light years better than Faneca in pass protection and he's also better than Dielman. You just named 6 guards on good teams nice try though. They wont need to push Whitworth into palmer because they'll go right by him
says the guy who watched eric 2x a year go against a crappy dline. i've watched him since day one and the fact remains is that he gets pushed around. at first thought it was because of a bad arm but even after he had tommy john surgery, he was still getting pushed back. a mediocre guard that is great a pulling and trapping.
as for people getting by whitworth, he did a pretty good job at protecting palmer's back for the 10 games he started last year.
I watched all of the Bengals games last year on the NFL Network. I'm well aware he gets pushed around. Never said he didnt. However he worked extremely well with Levi Jones in pass protection and he has the athletic ability to handle those pass rushing DT's that usually line up over the LG. When teams line up players like Richard Seymour he does struggle. Also, that hit on palmer was late. It wasnt his fault Palmers knee was shredded. Just happened.
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Racism can go both way man,,,,
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Just so we're clear.....you don't understand why one player had a suspension reduced and you have no idea why that was so you JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that it's because he's white and that's not playing the race card? Ammo, is that you?
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