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Well if these guys (Dorsey/Highsmith) are as good as advertised then they should turn this team around within a couple years beginning with a good 2018, I mean with all the draft capital and Cap space available to them they have NO EXCUSES ... JMHO

You could drop a pile of the finest brick and mortar in my backyard and I still couldn't build an adequate house out of it...

Well I'm a retired bricklayer but I have no desire to help you out. Heck I had to have my chimney patched and hired it out.

They could start by bucking the current trend of losing our top free agents each year. Show the rest of the league we are serious about keeping our home grown talent going forward.

Re-sign Crowell to a decent contract 2 to 3 years and draft someone in like the 3rd round like a Nick Chubb to back him up. Let's face it Duke is more of a change of pace back and not the Crow's back up.

I know it's not an easy occupation. Just be on call for guidance!

If Bellichic has ever been available, He is available now.
If reports, then he has been offended and would be most motivated to prove his current team wrong.

Best chance to get the best mind in football, the most successful x and o guy in the last 15 years, with the next best probably a distant 2nd.

If the Front office could somehow get Bellichic here, then the Browns would win as much as they've lost since the return.

His teams have been as good, as the Browns teams have been bad, and I've always said Tom Brady was a product of his system, and benefited from Bellichic's mind way more than Bill Benefited in any way from Tom Brady.

Long shot sure.

But it could put you on the fast track to Super Bowl wins. Ain't that the goal.

quote above by THROW LONG:



Hey THROW!

Very good insight.

I agree totally. Tom Brady came along right as Belichick was hitting his prime as a head coach. And Belichick molded him into a Hall-Of-Fame QB.

Well obviously. Brady was a nobody QB coming into the NFL.

I'm not sure Belichick still has enough gas to do it again. (maybe - I don't know)

Great post.

I guess this means dogs and cats will live together in harmony. Manchester United fans will start hugging Liverpool fans. Love will conquer all. And we're at the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

Do we even know the hierarchy?

Dorsey
Podesta?
Hightower?

Definitely Hightower.

Are we offering him $150 million?

I don't see him coming here.. unless we offer a crapload on money there is no way...

We’d have to cut Collins before he’d even consider it .... ...

A few things I'll be looking for in the coming off-season. Don't overpay for a veteran quarterback ie; give up too many draft picks. Two, don't blow the draft. Take the best QB at 1, and take Minkah or Barkley at 4 if they are there. Finally, fill the holes at CB, WR, & RB. If they can do that, we'll be well on our way.

Seems like a simple straight forward plan .. Never work for the Browns ! lol

J/c

I find it interesting that DePo is still around. I'm wondering if his role has beem diminished to the ofher aspects of analytics like the player performance, nutrition, facility services side of things and less on player eval/acquisition?

Or, I woukd have to think Dorsey in spite of any acquisitions he may have made differently, would be impressed with the way we've been able to amass the Draft capital he'll be spending. It'll be interesting to see if he blows the bank roll he's been handed in one year, or if he continues the approach of making investments that provide future returns.

DePodesta did not come cheap. He's probably still around for the same reasons Hue Jackson is still around -- Haslam is tired of paying people to not work for him.

Dorsey reports to Haslam. DePodesta reports to Haslam. Jackson reports to Haslam.

Are the Browns following the Jacksonville and Houston model, of player aquis. with a worse Qb, and Worse Rb?

You wouldn't have to pay any draft picks cost for Jay Cutler. I like the idea of a Cutler to the Browns when I think about it, here's why.

He's a BAD Vet, but he's got like a hundred starts.

And, he's a tough guy, relatively, and has moxy.
And, what's the worst that would happen, he throws a bunch of ints. (Everybody we Got, Throws a bunch of int's anyways)

In 2017, excuse me, 18!!, They gotta fix the Runningbacks, (And I'm not sayin get rid of anybody, I'm saying you have to bring in a challenger).

Because, you just can't have a 1-31 team and not take a hard look at the runningbacks.

** This all hinges on the fact that Hue's back, I think Hue will ruin any rookie Qb, and so I've got to change my whole way of thinking, and whole philosopy on things **

Just to hope the Browns will win 1 ! lovin lovin Game!

Edit: Jay Cutler may be exactly what a Hue Coached Browns team needs to win games in the AFC North.

Didn't Bellichic coach the Browns before? So it would be sort of a homecoming.

https://twitter.com/jasonjwilde/status/950082400423415808

Seems like pure speculation, but it'd be nice.

Yeah it is that of speculation. And rumors but will not be true unless confirmed by the team.

Wrong post. My bad.

I think DePodesta does a lot more with analytics than just scrutinize players. He is probably developing business systems for the browns on every front. He may have a much bigger role here than any of us know. I'm just thinking out loud here and offering food for thought.

Front office changes will most likely come post draft.

I doubt (from the article) that Wolf is coming here. In order to be a 'promotion', where do you put him? The FO is getting crowded...

Didn't see that this was being discussed. Started a new Wolf thread. Ignore me, people!

Why would he come to Cleveland to be something other than the GM?

Maybe Dorsey gets elevated to President and Wolf hired as GM.

Possible, but I don't see Dorsey at a presidential level. Maybe a VP of whatever. There isn't enough 'room' for Wolf as presently constructed...

Sorry bud, not to be combative, but no way he would even consider that. If that was the case -
1. he would have traded JG to us for a steal.
2. He would want full control, and we just hired Dorsey
3. Im not buying into this rift thing anyway.

I fully expect BB to be the 9ers DC next year ... ...

Even money on him being back with the Pats but if that isn't the case I would sayHC of the Giants

Because he just got passed over for the GM in Green Bay. If the Browns do well with him on staff he will definitely get a job somewhere else soon.

How Cleveland Browns were frozen out of Jimmy Garoppolo deal -- Terry Pluto

https://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/how_cleveland_browns_were_froz.html#article



CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the San Francisco 49ers never made much sense.

The 49ers traded a second-round pick, a rather modest price for the New England Patriots highly-regarded backup quarterback.

The Patriots also were able to add veteran Brian Hoyer as a backup. Hoyer was with the 49ers. Part of the deal was the 49ers would release Hoyer, allowing him to sign with the Patriots.

That's exactly what happened.

But the strange part was the Browns were willing to offer more for Garoppolo.

Much, much more.

At first, I thought, "I guess Hoyer was the key."

But I also thought, "There is something strange about this deal."

I made calls to several league sources.

On November 4, I wrote about how the Browns had last talked to the Patriots on October 28.

They couldn't even start a conversation. They were told Garoppolo wasn't available.

They said more than once, "If you are open to trading him, please call."

Two days later, he was traded to the 49ers.

An in-depth ESPN story by Seth Wickersham highlighted all the internal battles with the Patriots.

It was clear coach Bill Belichick wanted to keep Garoppolo. That's why he resisted any serious trade talks about the backup quarterback for more than year.

Even more to that point, the Patriots traded another backup quarterback -- Jacoby Brissett. He was shipped to the Indianapolis Colts on September 2 for Philip Dorsett, a wide receiver.

Why would Belichick trade both of his young quarterbacks within two months, leaving only 40-year-old Tom Brady and Hoyer as quarterbacks for next season?

WHO MADE THE CALL?

ESPN basically said Belichick was forced into trading Garoppolo by ownership.

The Patriots have denied it.

But it's just odd.

Apparently, the only team Belichick discussed the trade with was San Francisco.

Cleveland and other teams had been calling about Garoppolo. This would have been a perfect time for Belichick to leverage the deal, piling up offers -- maybe even putting together a three-way trade.

Never happened.

ESPN reported Belichick had a meeting with Patriots owner Robert Kraft:

"It ended with a clear mandate to Belichick ... trade Garoppolo because he would not be in the team's long-term plans ... Belichick was furious and demoralized ... he did his job. One morning in late October, Belichick texted 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan to call him..."

Supposedly, there was a rift between Brady and Garoppolo. Belichick believed Garoppolo was the future. Kraft wanted to keep Brady happy.

Kraft owns the team.

Belichick only talked to one team, according to ESPN.

That matched what I was told and wrote on November 3.

For what it's worth, in an interview with Monday Morning Quarterback's Peter King, Kraft denied ordering Belichick to trade Garoppolo.

Kraft called the report "a total fabrication and fiction."

BACK IN CLEVELAND

I received some criticism from readers when I wrote how the Browns never had a shot at Garoppolo in that November 3 story.

They said I was making excuses for former Browns vice president Sashi Brown.

There were other reports of the front office people going home early near the deadline. The Garoppolo deal was supposed to show they were not doing their jobs.

But the information I received back then was right, even though it made little sense to me.

Truth is: The Browns (and everyone else but San Francisco) never had a chance to discuss a Garoppolo deal.

I know that Brown was willing to part with Houston's first-round pick and other goodies. He would have been willing to help Belichick shop around for a backup quarterback to help the trade work.

The front office was especially baffled because they had made two trades with New England.

On August 25, 2016, they shipped Barkevious Mingo to the Patriots for a 2017 fifth-round pick.

On October 31, 2016, the Patriots traded Jamie Collins to the Browns for a 2017 third-round pick.

The Patriots have their own version of analytics and have used it for decades.

The Browns and Patriots were able to find common ground for other trades.

That's why the Browns were so confused when they were consistently frozen out of trade talks for Garoppolo.

And then even more baffled when they checked with other teams trying to deal for Garoppolo and heard the same story.

Only San Francisco was given a chance to trade for a franchise-changing quarterback.

This post should be 'required reading'. Can we put this (Brown's incompetence) subject to bed now...

Only if you believe it. LOL

I don't believe it, just like some guys don't believe the reports about Hue wanting Wentz.