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Heck, yeah. Best venereal disease on Earth.

Hue wanted Goff, didn't think Wentz was "the right fit" for the Browns. Maybe he didn't really mean it though, because he didn't say "trust me on this", after all.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/09/browns_hue_jackson_says_carson.html

For me Josh Rosen = Jeff George

Josh Rosen = Jeff George? Ok I get it. But really Jeff George had the most arm talent to ever come out of college, arm strength(only Jamarcus Russel had more), release( Dan Marino esc), accuracy. I don’t know if I’d say that about Rosen. I understand what you’re getting at though.

I am concerned about the concussions and the statements/maturity issues.

That's why I pick Darnold #1 and get a vet for him to sit behind for at least a year ...JMHO

Same here

Same here IF Dorsey wants Donald....let him sit...behind Smith.

From Josh Rosen's Instagram comments, the back-to-back comments of two monuments to the intellectual nature of humanity.



People are so. damn. weird.

(Yes, refs, I self-censored a word. But it's a quote. Please don't ban me again.)

I think every GM in the league would want Aaron Donald, but why would we move him to QB?

Oophs, missed the R....please let someone else pick Rosen, he'll be on the disabled list more than Gordon was "promising I'm clean"...Go Browns!!!

"All I know is I want our guys FO and Coaching Staff to really really want the QB that we choose to me that is important and we are in the drivers seat with the #1 pick!"
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That's where it is at EO. It is all about how they envision building the team and the guy to lead it.

So how much actual playing time has Rosen missed in his time as a starter at UCLA?

He missed six games his sophomore season with a shoulder injury and two games this past season with a concussion.

WOW ....

Hmmmmmmmmmm ....

Josh Rosen and the deep ball:

https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-deep-ball-accuracy-josh-rosen-best-bunch/

This is why we will pick Darnold

Exactly + Darnold is the best QB in the Draft ... I can't believe I like a USC QB

I think we will pick Sam Darnold, I just don't think Josh Rosen's injury history has anythingmuch to do with it.

Do you guys have any concerns with the way Darnold showed up against OSU?

I am not getting all of the love for Darnold over Rosen.

Nah. C'mon....they're the Browns. They'll pick Mayfield over both of em. #JimmyLovesHim #JerseySales #TheyreSmarterThanEveryone. Because Browns.

I don't. The way tOSU dline completely dominated the USC oline he didn't have much of a chance. A lot of plays the rush was in the backfield before he could complete his dropback. It felt like the USC oline didn't exist.

The fact is he passed for 356 yards under that much pressure, I consider that pretty remarkable. He did throw the one interception. I think he missed the Db who made the interception but his Wr ran a crappy route.

If I remember correctly, that interception was reminiscent of the interception Peyton Manning threw in the Super Bowl vs the Saints.

He did have the 2 fumbles. But that seems like something that would be the least hard thing to fix of any of the flaws a Qb prospect could have.

And I know someone is going to say that he is going to see that kind of pressure in the NFL. It would not be that often. And when that kind of pressure is generated no Qb will perform well. Case and point the NE vs Denver playoff game the year Payton Manning won the Super Bowl with Denver. Denver had a dominating rush that shut Tome Brady down.

His accuracy is a bit of a problem. His mechanics break down under pressure. He turns the ball over too much.

He's good, but he isn't nearly as good as Rosen. I think Darnold had one GREAT game. It was in last year's bowl game and people have kind of been blinded by so many of his other performances.

Not sure if you watched the UCLA vs USC game this year. Those two qbs were in different stratospheres. Btw--------did you watch it?

I Dont get any of the love for Darnold actually..So hes a baller with moxie. Rosen looks like Wentz with even higher potential. I watch the two side by side and watch Rosen drop dimes to no names and Darnold seems to run around and throw toss up balls in the general vincinity of guys like Ju Ju Smith.

Yeah, I think Darnold is the second best qb in the draft, but I don't get how people rate him higher than Rosen.

I am a big advocate of accuracy and guys who can read coverages and go through their progressions quickly. Those were the two main reasons why I was so high on Jimmy G last year and so many kept saying "he is a backup."

JG and Rosen are two of the most accurate qbs I have seen. They lead guys into YAC. That is HUGE! We all saw what an inaccurate qb did to us this year.

I think there are differences between Rosen and Jimmy G, but accuracy and reading coverages are very similar.

Rosen has the stronger arm and better size. JG has a little quicker release and I don't think a qb in the entire NFL goes through his progressions quicker.

I am almost positive that Rosen will special.

Here is a stat vs stat comparison between these 2 QB's 2017 season.

https://247sports.com/college/usc/Articl...-data-110592825

I think a game or two is missing. That was published on Nov. 17. I would also like to remind people of the tremendous gap in talent between the two teams. I think that might be relevant.

I hope so. Easy answer.

I saw a few minutes of it. Haven't had a chance to watch a lot of football this season. It's been one of those years. I don't disagree with what I saw that game. Rosen definitely played better than Darnold.

My comment was solely about the USC-OSU game and if that altered my opinion on Darnold. I like Rosen. I have said many times than my only concern specific to him is the concussions. All my other concerns like work ethic, leadership quality, attitude etc are concerns that I have about all the Qb prospects.

Yeah, that clip above from Day was good.

ROSEN'S Receivers SUCK.

Darnolds OLine SUCKS.

Rosen to Gordon would be DEVESTATING and Unstoppable.

Anyone else hear the Phil Savage interview on 850am yesterday?? It was really excellent. As the Exec Director of the Senior Bowl - Phil always pimps the attendees ... why wouldn't he. It's an added benefit to the players to have themselves pimped by Phil as he does a National Media tour ... smart.

He pimped Josh Allen heavily and has obviously been exposed to Josh Allen for at least a couple years and talked about his arm talent. He's at the Senior Bowl ...

He was then asked to comment on Rosen and Darnold - and to my mind he was drawn out into a longer and more detailed answer than he would have normally provide. Maybe because of his ties to the Browns? This is a pretty dumbed down summary:

- The perfect QB and maybe the best draft candidate for 50 years would be a combination of Rosen and Darnold!

- Phil came up with a really nice snapshot of the choices: With Darnold once a team drafts him, the work is all below the neck. Talked about Darnold having a little loop to his throwing motion - and his mechanics needing just a little work. . . . With Rosen all the work is above the neck - his maturity, mental side of his personality.

- Phil pretty much raved about all of Darnolds intangibles - moxy, toughness football smarts, mobility and build.

- Phil pretty much said Rosen was close to perfect with regard to arm talent and throwing the ball. But not very mobile and has been injured in each of his college seasons (I have no proof one way or the other - just relaying Phil's comments) ... and that his attitude and personality won't be for every QB.

Phil also made a comment on Baker Mayfield that I thought was pretty cool - with the way the game has changed and the way Wilson and Brees have had success, he said it changes everything for Mayfield. . . I don't remember the time period he used but it was like 20 years ago 70% of the teams in the NFL wouldn't even look at Mayfield because of his height .... nowdays he said that at least 70% of teams will look at him very seriously.

At this point everything is so speculative - but with Dorsey being labeled as 'old school' - I really think the only choice at the top of the draft is Darnold or Rosen. I have no idea who I am leaning towards yet .... I do know that whatever anyone's preference is it does seem Rosen does carry a little inherent risk: Some injury history (extent and whether it means anything, to be decided) - Attitude (I might be off base but if I think of someone like Richard Sherman - outspoken and smart ... I am turned off) and then finally the issue of him saying something to the effect that he doesn't want to be selected high in the draft (is that a red flag or not?) ... Again to make sure I make my point - these 3 topics/items are not necessarily problems, they indicate risk that there might be a problem. If Darnold and Rosen grade out really closely - then you take the guy with the less risk factors imo.

Nice. Good comparison between Rosen and Darnold.

I think Mayfield is very much in play for Dorsey. He's basically Rosen and Darnold rolled into one minus 2 inches. Whomever gets Rosen and Darnold may have a good quarterback for a long time, but Mayfield is special.

I think any of these 3 are in play to be the #1 pick.

I think when it's all said and done it will be closer to 3" difference

Fair enough... My thinking was that 6'2" was the cutoff to be a #1 draft pick.

I wish I liked one of the QBs better then the other. I’m not really in love with either of them. I have questions about both. Wish one was the absolute clear cut better prospect. Curious to see which one Dorsey’s team likes.

I see why people like Rosen, good release, good, maybe not great, but good arm, football IQ way up there, pro style offense, shows ability to make reads and work through progressions. But he has had some injury concerns, some we know about, concussions, and maybe some we don’t, brace? I would t let injury concerns stop me from drafting a guy. I worry a little bit that he’s not very mobile, he moves around the pocket pretty good, but is at his worst when he’s forced out of the pocket. Minor question, I know. I said this before a good comparison for him might be Sam Bradford.


Darnold, I’m not as big on Darnold as some are, I don’t like his release, little bit of a loop to it. Decision making is a concern for me also. I see that he has good mobility but feel he tries to extend plays to much. He’ll need to learn to get rid of the ball on time more. He does make some wow throws though. He’s a hard person to comp. for me but if I had to pick someone I’d go with Bortles, they both have some of the same questions for me.

I don't have any proof - but my guess is that when BM goes to the combine, he'll officially be right around and maybe a hair under 6'1" ... Savage even mentioned something about what BM is listed as and what he'll measure as !

I agree the guy is special - he just has a large obstacle to overcome height wise ... I think whoever gets him will be pretty happy.

(edit - but of course this is the J Rosen thread so we should move the convo !)