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And yet is the black community who feels the N word is wrong.

Maybe they should accept what they tell everyone else?

You do understand that I'm allowed to call myself "whitey" but you're not, right? It's a white thing.

See how much sense that makes?

Exactly! And this is exactly why the the GOP nominated a racist for President. "Blacklash"

any racist juror is a problem, regardless on the outcome.

ESPECIALLY since we have already seen verdicts overturned do to false testimony by cops, lawyers, etc. we've already seen black men spend 20-30 years in jail, only to be released once DNA and other testimony was shown to be false, or racist juror's.

so yes, a racist juror is a problem regardless of the outcome.

Why make such a blanket statement? You do realize that Obama would never had been president without the votes of millions upon millions of white people, right?

i could care less what you what to call yourself, or refer to yourself as.

but you're only helping bolster MY position, and that position is that white people loves trashing black people, but the moment we try to defend ourselves, protect ourselves, either through language or culture, we STILL end up getting blasted.

and so yea, this discussion only proves that it doesn't matter what we do, we will always be in the wrong in some way, shape, or form.

second class citizens.

Yep but it's a problem that looks never ending. Every verdict in every case can be overturned based on a racist juror.



There's plenty of white men that fit that scenario also. I get the impression you think racism is a one way street.

in this country, racism typically is.

Yeah, using the N word is certainly defending yourself and protecting yourself. If you believe it does any of that I can't help you.

Actually I openly speak up against racism and you know that's true.

But Swish, trying to pretend that using the N word protects you or defends you is pure hogwash. Why do you think that free speech only applies to you and everyone else should be limited? How does that help make any progress on the racial front? I believe that MLK would be very disappointed by your position.

again, you're showing you either don't understand why the term has been changed by the culture, or you think AA's need to stop protecting themselves and just conform to the same demographic that had zero problem imprisoning us for any reason since the end of slavery.

either way, i think your position is hogwash too. but we're two different people, and we will never see eye to eye on this issue.

i disagree with you completely on this topic.

as far as whatever MLK thinks of my position.....so? unlike neo nazi's, i don't go through my daily life based off the principles of one man 40-50 years ago. i live my life based on the society in which i currently reside in.

he was great, but once again, we need white peoples approval for basic crap like equality.

think about that.

so in modern american society, however we use the N word is zero excuse for people in your demographic thinking they are superior to people like me.

I don't believe pit thinks he's superior to you. Neither do I, nor anyone I hang out with. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me.

because i didn't come to that conclusion. you're being pointless again. i don't know who you hang out with, nor do i care.

Excuse me while I go puke

Swish please let me ask you an honest question.

If a black man uses the N word is he a racist?
If a white man uses the N word is he a racist?

it depends.

i've been around white dudes who used '[censored]' only because they thought it was cool. while i told them politely that its not ok for them to use that because of circumstances, they were in no way shape or form racist.

however, i've also told my boys i could care less if they were singing along to a song or whatever, cause why should i care? lyrics in a song, and i dont get mad cause i rather white dudes bump trap music than to be like "omg hip hop is destroying <insert BS argument>".

but if some dude goes "all these niggers are animals", then i think that question clearly answers itself.

there's some coon ass black dudes who hate their own race and uses the N word in a derogatory manner. so in that case, yes they are racist.

ive explained the difference. you guys can be upset, angry, mad, whatever. but at the end of the day, i explained how that word is used.

I don't use it. Period. And, if it's so damn offensive, why does anyone use it - er or a?

racist use it because it IS offensive.

lol, are you that oblivious? thats a big reason why they use it. they feel superior to blacks and using the N word in that way is meant to OFFEND black people.

the answer was literally in your own question. jesus....

Thanks for the honest reply

I have used the word myself many, many times when I was around AA friends. IMO it depends on just HOW it is used. If no harm is meant it's OK IMO If it is used as a put down, or to mean somebody is anything less than equal to others then it is not OK.



I got your back on this one buddy. I asked a question, and you gave me an honest answer. If somebody doesn't like it then they can take it up with me, and leave you the hell alone.

if your crew is cool with you using that word cause you're down with the cause, then i have no issue with you.

like i said, it all depends.

Because when a word is used so much against people to demean them, they turn that word into a positive and ascribe it to themselves. Just take a look at any of the posters being called a name by someone they don't agree with. Someone can be called a moron on here and the next post will be, "Coming from you, maybe I am a moron." It happens with a lot of words, especially those of the racial variety. "red neck", "trailer trash" or "spic" would be the first to come to mind. The n word just has the worst history around it and is most publicly talked about it.

they did the same thing with the word "deplorable".

made T shirts out of it and everything. so i'm struggling to understand why they don't get the concept.

WOuld I ever use it around anybody if they didn't know me 100 percent, hell no. Not because I would be afraid of what they would do, but because I would be afraid of what they may think.

well sounds to me like you know how to approach the situation.

my homeboys would most likely let you use the word around them. but you've always seem down so its whatever.

So, at the end of the day, using the n word is fine? As long as the people you use it with is fine with it?

Okay, on one level, I get that.

But on a different level, if it's so damn offensive at times, why does ANYONE use it?

i swear to god, i literally just explained that to you.

Okay. Got it. So, I can call you a n..a, but I can't call you a n..er.

Weird. I didn't know it was that easy.

I guess my aa friends will appreciate that.?

The crew I used it around have been friends with me my entire life, well from kindergarten on. We slept in the same beds, their moms beat my ass when I got out of line. We were friends. We knew our skin color was different, and we joked about it, but it never meant anything. Thta's why I just can't understand anybody who is racist. I truly can't see any difference between people just because of skin color. I know it exists, but for the life of me I can't understand why, other than their parents screwed them over by telling them otherwise.

will they? lol the hell...

I have no problem with any of those words either. I am proud to be a red neck. I use to live in a trailer park after I got married and that term does not bother me either. I have called myself a moron, butthole, and an idiot at times to because I was for a second, a minute, or an hour. I was never once offended by any of them.

because you're parents didn't raise you to be racist, and your homeboys parents didn't raise them to be racist.

racism is taught. i didn't experience any sort of racism until we moved to the 2nd most segregated city in America in 2001.

then i had a crash course into that nonsense.

I am sorry you had to go through that, and would have had stood shoulder to shoulder with you to fight that ish back then if I could have.

Arch, go see Rush Hour 1 to see how that will most likely play out.

The word is traumatizing for many, and for good reason - it's tied to a long history of brutal murder and oppression.

At a certain point, some started to "re-claim" the word - to make it theirs', a term that was theirs' to own, rather than being associated with a time when they themselves were literally "owned". It was obvious a cathartic exercise

Frankly, I don't use the word, ever. I've even been given "permission" by friends, and I still don't. I have a friend who mocks me for being too uptight, because the word won't cross my lips under any circumstance, even in more acceptable academic discussions on it.

Ta-Neishi has an interesting point on the issue, and his conclusion is that this "why can't I say this term, but you can?" stems a lot from the shock that many whites get when they're first faced with being excluded from something others' aren't because of their skin color.

The statements came after a young white girl asked him at a conference about whether or not is was acceptable or not for her to sing along to songs she liked that used the word.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/9/16627900/ta-nehisi-coates-n-word

It’s a question that comes up again and again in discussions of race: Why can’t white people use the n-word, even as many black people use it, particularly in rap songs and other media?

Ta-Nehisi Coates, a writer at the Atlantic and author of We Were Eight Years in Power, has perhaps the best explanation I have ever heard on the topic, given during an event last month at Evanston Township High School in Illinois.

Coates first pointed out that it is normal in our culture for some people or groups to use certain words that others can’t. For example, his wife calls him “honey”; it would not be acceptable, he said, for strange women to do the same. Similarly, his dad was known by his family back home as Billy — but it would be awkward for Coates to try to use that nickname for his father.

“That’s because the relationship between myself and my dad is not the same as the relationship between my dad and his mother and his sisters who he grew up with,” Coates said. “We understand that.”


The same concept applies to different groups and their words. “My wife, with her girl friend, will use the word ‘bitch,’” Coates said. “I do not join in. You know what I’m saying? I don’t do that. I don’t do that. And perhaps more importantly, I don’t have a desire to do it.”

Coates pointed to another example — of a white friend who used to have a cabin in upstate New York that he called “the white trash cabin.” “I would never refer to that cabin” in that way, Coates said. “I would never tell him, ‘I’m coming to your white trash cabin.’”

Coates added, “The question one must ask is why so many white people have difficulty extending things that are basic laws of how human beings interact to black people.”

He gave a potential answer: “When you’re white in this country, you’re taught that everything belongs to you. You think you have a right to everything. … You’re conditioned this way. It’s not because your hair is a texture or your skin is light. It’s the fact that the laws and the culture tell you this. You have a right to go where you want to go, do what you want to do, be however — and people just got to accommodate themselves to you.”


“So here comes this word that you feel like you invented,” Coates said. “And now somebody will tell you how to use the word that you invented. ‘Why can’t I use it? Everyone else gets to use it. You know what? That’s racism that I don’t get to use it. You know, that’s racist against me. You know, I have to inconvenience myself and hear this song and I can’t sing along. How come I can’t sing along?’”

Coates concluded that white people should use this sense as a lesson: "The experience of being a hip-hop fan and not being able to use the word ‘ni**er’ is actually very, very insightful. It will give you just a little peek into the world of what it means to be black. Because to be black is to walk through the world and watch people doing things that you cannot do, that you can’t join in and do. So I think there’s actually a lot to be learned from refraining.”

It's a word. It is only a WORD. It can be taken in a few different ways as can most words. Words mean NOTHING. It's the feeling behind those words that matter.



I disagree. The question people must ask is why in the hell do people even think about white people and black people. We are all people and anybody who see's the difference in us based on skin color is part of the problem.

Yea, we have plenty of Whites who hate their own race and use derogatory statements against us. I agree, they are racist.

Can it cracker

If more people thought like you, GM, we wouldn't have to have these discussions.

The guy who fawns over a racist has thoughts on racism.

Let me tell you what you haven't done and I actually believe you can't do. Explain to me how going around using the N word protects you? I keep hearing you say it, but to me that makes zero sense.

And let me explain this to you. It's the black community who expected society to conform to stop using the N word. Not the other way around. They said it was offensive and shouldn't be used..... by anyone but them of course. So you trying to "blame whitey" for that is far off base. You see, what's been done is that a double standard was set up where only one race is permitted to use what they call a racist word because they wish to perpetuate a double standard.



We are two different people. While I certainly promote civil rights, while I certainly see the double standard in sentencing of crime and in many cases the double standard from law enforcement, there are things on both sides of the fence that are simply indefensible. This happens to be one of them.



Here's what I think. MLK was a respectful man who followed God. He earned the respect required for people to actually listen to him and follow him. Respect is earned, not given. Well unless you're Donald Trump.

The way he conducted himself caused many who had never really listened to the treatment of black Americans before to take a much closer look. He brought attention to the cause. That's what created change. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.



I can't speak for my demographic any more than you can. Not every black man shares your view any more than every white guy shares mine. I've spoken to many blacks about this very subject. The older ones have enough life experience to understand that if a word is wrong, it's wrong. That using and excusing the double standard as you do only works to further the divide, not unite.

It's kind of odd though. You said you don't use the word but once in a while it just slips out. Let me ask you, why is it you've decided that you don't use the word? I find it odd that in your life you claim you don't use it yet you're here upholding it?

Is it that you don't want your daughters to use it? That you don't believe it would sound good coming from the mouth of a little girl?

I'm not trying to involve your family per say. I'm just trying to tell you that I know when I became a parent, it caused me to rethink some things. It made me understand the example I should set.

Maybe you're not as okay with the N word as your posts seem to indicate.

I’ve done it repeatedly and even discussed it with GM right here in this thread. By us changing the way the word is traditionally used, it helps take away the power that people in your demographic use as a way to demean us.

I don’t think it’s a double standard. So you can repeat it all you want, I don’t and will never agree with that.

I also could care less who and what older people you know have said about it.

It’s also funny that you refer to older people, yet I always hear older black people say the word as well.

So it seems to be a massive disconnect from whatever nonsense you’re saying to what is actually happening in the real world.

I try to not use it simply because I’ve always felt I couldn’t because I’m not fully black, I’m mixed. But hell, Latinos use it, Arabs, Indians, Asians, native Americans. But growing up, surrounded by people who use it, it’s whatever to me.

As far as my daughters go, I dunno if they will grow up saying it or not. And I don’t know if I would have a problem with it or not, because kids tend to speak one way to their parents, and completely different when they are around their friends. So you can ask me that in 10years if the situation ever pops up.

This idea that I don’t use it yet I’m upholding seems to be a problem it’s you.

Why?

You don’t smoke weed, yet you sit there and defend the use of it. Why?

All you had to do is look at yourself for the answer to that completely obvious question. But whatever dude.

It's not really whatever. I uphold civil rights and speak out against the double standard against sentencing standards of blacks but I'm not black. I don't understand your weed example.

If I think something is wrong, I speak out about it.



I've always been taught that if you wish people to take you seriously, you lead by example. Using a word that you deem offensive when used by others isn't leading by example. If you want things to get better, you don't do things that divide people. You don't set up a double standard and then expect things to get better.

My dad taught me something as a teenager. He told me that if the middle class and the poor could unite as one, that they could control this nation. Because there's a lot more of us than there are of them. He said the problem with that is that people of both races keep concentrating on the differences more than the similarities.

He lived through a time where he saw the civil rights movement. He supported it and saw it as a possible turning point in our nation. Then he witnessed the divide once again increase.

I'm going to leave our debate with this..... Trying to divide each other be it through speech, distrust of one another or any other thing that you feel divides us, will only serve to help bolster the other side. It does nothing to unify us. And we are both witnesses to who is in power of our nation today to see where that leads us.