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Imo having another voice on the staff, game plan meetings and self scouting would have done wonders for the offense this year. And its why I think hiring an OC is gonna really help Hue/offense. I remember Hue as a OC turned HC/playcaller in Oakland and he was damn good there. He took a bunch of castoffs and turned them into a highly productive group.
Ed, when you have an HC that draws game plans that push for 2/3 plays to be pass plays, with disregard to the WR's he has, the QB he has and the weather, what makes you confident that HE can gameplan appropriately? Your post doesn't respond to anything I've posted. I have been saying that Hue did not gameplan appropriately and that is why I've been advocating for and posting information about the actual role and responsibilities of an OC in this thread. In his 32 games here, I never saw any hints that Hue could be a good HC or OC. You talk Hue's about Oakland stint,but just take a good look at the Oakland roster in 2011.. Why would I look at Oakland roster in a year I wasn't referring to? It sounds like you're attempting to knock Hue's history as an OC/playcaller by cherry picking 2011 and by knocking his accomplishments in Oakland. But, since you chose to go down that road do us all a favor and post Oakland's roster and the team's offensive stats for the team before he took over and after he took over and tell me whether or not the team improved. You also have to ignore his time with the Bengals as OC. And ignore that Hue was a sought after HC candidate. But all that talk is moot because until Hue is fired he's coming back. Whether you think he stinks running an offense or not he would benefit from having an Offensive Coordinator on the staff next year. -------------------------------------------------------------- Anyhow another OC candidate is quickly off the board almost as soon as he was available: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22003...nagy-head-coachBears name Chiefs OC Matt Nagy head coachAlthough it is odd to hire an OC before hiring the HC. edit: The Bears hired Nagy as Head Coach not as OC.
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Ken Zampese interviewed today... Sean Ryan on Wednesday.
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Although it is odd to hire an OC before hiring the HC. Good thing they didn't do that.  Supposedly Ken Zampese will be interviewing with us today for the offensive coordinator spot and Sean Ryan will be in on Wednesday. They are the only two names I've seen mentioned with the opening.
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I thought Zampese was interviewed for a different position from OC.
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I thought Zampese was interviewed for a different position from OC. The reports are at odds. Mary Kay Cabot says this: I'm told that former #Bengals OC Ken Zampese is not being interviewed by the #Browns today. When he does, it will be for an offensive assistant job, not necessarily OC. That will play out depending on how the OC search goes Ian Rapoport says this: The #Browns are interviewing former #Bengals OC Ken Zampese today for their vacant OC job under Hue Jackson, source said. They'll interview #Texans QB coach Sean Ryan on Wednesday.
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Personally I would want Sean Ryan.
But I would be okay with Zamp as OC.
I know Zamp vomited all over himself as OC/Playcaller with the Bengals.
But adding him to the staff IF he's actually allowed to take the day to day coordination of the playcalling off Hue's plate I still support the hire.
He's not the best guy out there but it would still be better then before.
If they find a way to work something out with Ryan in regards to playcalling that would be the ideal.
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I didn't watch a ton of Bengals games, but they did seem pretty putrid at the beginning of the season, did you see anything positive as far as player development that we could cling to?
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Nope.
Zamp failed as the OC/playcaller on his own.
But adding him in the OC role with Hue as gameday playcaller is a step up from the situation last year.
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Zampese would be a horrible choice
His game plan in Cincy had no flow and no common sense
He would run Hill to start the game for 3 carries then sit him the rest of the game
His language way to complicated to decipher
Lazor simplified everything and it showed.
He was in over his head as OC.
just cause your pops had success dosent mean you will
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Zampese would be a horrible choice
His game plan in Cincy had no flow and no common sense
He would run Hill to start the game for 3 carries then sit him the rest of the game Sounds awful familiar...
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Nope.
Zamp failed as the OC/playcaller on his own.
But adding him in the OC role with Hue as gameday playcaller is a step up from the situation last year.
That was what I was afraid of.
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Report: A "Near Mutiny" Forced Marvin Lewis to Fire Offensive Coordinator Ken Zamepese https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/16/cincinnati-bengals-marvin-lewis-ken-zampese-fired-mutinyA "near mutiny" forced Bengals coach Marvin Lewis to fire former offensive coordinator Ken Zampese, a source reportedly told Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio. Florio reports that multiple Bengals said "pointed things" in private to Lewis, including the normally soft-spoken A.J. Green. Zampese was fired on Friday after the Bengals failed to score a touchdown and managed only nine points total in their first two games, both losses. On Thursday night, the Bengals had 306 yards of offense en route to being beaten 13-9 by the Texans. Zampese was in his second season in charge of the Bengals' offense after he took over for Hue Jackson, now head coach of the Browns, before last season. The Bengals finished 13th in yards last season but 24th in points scored...
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Yes. Zampese runs very predictable plays out of the same formations depending on down distance etc
Defenses knew the play before Dalton did.
0 tds with Eifert Green Bernard LaFell falls on the x and o's
That's Zampese
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I love Florio...........he is the same guy who reported that Dee went "nuclear" on our FO.
So, is one true and one a lie, Vambo? Or are both true? Or, are both lies?
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Bengals fire offensive coordinator Ken Zampese By Kevin Patra Around the NFL writer Published: Sept. 15, 2017 at 02:21 p.m. Updated: Sept. 16, 2017 at 02:06 p.m. The Bengals took a nose-dive last season across the board under Zampese, including sinking from seventh to 24th in points per game from 2015 to 2016. After generating an embarrassing nine total points, 258.0 yards per game, 79 rushing YPG, with four sacks per game in two losses to open the 2017 season, Lewis decided to make a change. Thursday night's loss was particularly maddening for Bengals star players. The generally soft-spoken A.J. Green sounded frustrated after not getting enough chances to make plays: "I need the ball in my hands somehow, somewhere, we gotta find a way to get me the ball," Green told reporters after the loss. "We're not doing that right now." Green's frustration coupled with Andy Dalton's painful-to-watch regression led to the change. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...tor-ken-zampese
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The Bengals O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
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The Bengals O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
The Browns O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
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The Bengals O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
The Browns O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable. Agreed. Good thing we got rid of Sashi.
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The Bengals O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
The Browns O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable. Agreed. Good thing we got rid of Sashi. Agreed,. Nobody should have to put up with Hue for more than 18 months.
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The Bengals O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable.
The Browns O certainly regressed after Hue came to Cleveland. I don't think that is debatable. Agreed. Good thing we got rid of Sashi. Agreed,. Nobody should have to put up with Hue for more than 18 months. Firing Sashi Brown, keeping Hue Jackson - that's the worst of the same old Browns: Doug Lesmerises http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/firing_sashi_brown_keeping_hue.html
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Worst reporter in Brown's history. Even worse than Grossi.
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Worst reporter in Brown's history. Even worse than Grossi. Agreed, how dare they find fault with a 1-31 coach. Hue has personality.
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Zampese would be a horrible choice
His game plan in Cincy had no flow and no common sense
He would run Hill to start the game for 3 carries then sit him the rest of the game
His language way to complicated to decipher
Lazor simplified everything and it showed.
He was in over his head as OC.
just cause your pops had success dosent mean you will It's weird that he complicated the language. His Dad was OC for the Chargers when Coryell invented it. One of the best things going for it is that the language is so simple and it makes it easier to learn. You can literally throw a WR in on game day and he knows what route to run by the name of the play.
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CHSDawg's guy Ken Dorsey is now available. . . because he got fired by the Panthers (along with Mike Shula).
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Get him.
Get them both.
Always thought the Panthers offense got the most out of that offense.
They shouldn't have fired them. They should have addressed the receiver position and run game.
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Worst reporter in Brown's history. Even worse than Grossi. Agreed, how dare they find fault with a 1-31 coach. Hue has personality.
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I believe Shula is form the Coryell tree and IF that is the case their verbiage and base concepts are similar so there would speak the same language and more importantly no one would need to learn new verbiage.
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I believe Shula is form the Coryell tree and IF that is the case their verbiage and base concepts are similar so there would speak the same language and more importantly no one would need to learn new verbiage.
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I believe Shula is form the Coryell tree and IF that is the case their verbiage and base concepts are similar so there would speak the same language and more importantly no one would need to learn new verbiage.
Could this also be the reason Norv Turner is the favorite to be the Panthers' new offensive coordinator?
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CHSDawg's guy Ken Dorsey is now available. . . because he got fired by the Panthers (along with Mike Shula). We gotta get this guy!
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I believe Shula is form the Coryell tree and IF that is the case their verbiage and base concepts are similar so there would speak the same language and more importantly no one would need to learn new verbiage.
Could this also be the reason Norv Turner is the favorite to be the Panthers' new offensive coordinator? It must really suck to be waiting for a decision on Chud and have to occupy that time with someone else.
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I believe Shula is form the Coryell tree and IF that is the case their verbiage and base concepts are similar so there would speak the same language and more importantly no one would need to learn new verbiage.
Could this also be the reason Norv Turner is the favorite to be the Panthers' new offensive coordinator? It must really suck to be waiting for a decision on Chud and have to occupy that time with someone else. Didn't Cam Newton have bad things to say about Chud on his way out? https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/08/05/carolina-panthers-cam-newton-rob-chudzinskiYes.
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Well Chud is either the one who got away or Rivera must think Newton is pretty dumb and can't learn another offense. Shula and Dorsey were Chud guys. Dorsey was even the QB when Chud was OC here. Now they want to bring in Norv Turner, who gave Chud his first job and was OC when Chud was HC? Seems like they have Chud on the brain.
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Well Chud is either the one who got away or Rivera must think Newton is pretty dumb and can't learn another offense. Shula and Dorsey were Chud guys. Dorsey was even the QB when Chud was OC here. Now they want to bring in Norv Turner, who gave Chud his first job and was OC when Chud was HC? Seems like they have Chud on the brain. Everything I have read says that the job is Norv's if he wants it. I don't know if that will be a great fit for Cam Newton, Norv seems like a guy that will be pretty set in his ways.
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Well Chud is either the one who got away or Rivera must think Newton is pretty dumb and can't learn another offense. Shula and Dorsey were Chud guys. Dorsey was even the QB when Chud was OC here. Now they want to bring in Norv Turner, who gave Chud his first job and was OC when Chud was HC? Seems like they have Chud on the brain. That's a lot of Chud.
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NFLN rumored that Norv is the guy Ron wants.
Norv has forgotten more offense then most OCs know.
I have no doubt their scheme will improve.
The QB coach hire will be critical.
Shula/Dorsey would maintain Hues coryell verbiage and conceptual background.
Their offense iirc didn't have many penalties.
And the Browns offense (outside of QB) arguably had similar talent to the Panters and the Browns skill position players next year might be better then anything Shula/Dorsey had.
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Sean Ryan is reportedly in Berea interviewing today.
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