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I have doubts that Sashi would be discussing players with any owner (except Haslam)....

Why would Sashi deal with an owner directly?

If that was the case why didn't Kraft speak directly to Jed York?

Just how many trades has Kraft made since BB was in charge and just how was Sashi supposed to know the trouble in NE before the reports started coming out?

Didn't Sashi contact BB about Jimmy days before that trade happened?

Mac, you are reaching here....really reaching.

He can't just admit he is wrong.

There is no changing your mind, mac. You simply choose not to believe...

I somewhat agree, it looks like Pluto is covering Sashi for some reason.

The difference between the Browns and the Patriots? When there's a report of a squabble....the coach, owner and involved player put out a unified statement addressing the issue. Our coach makes underhanded comments has his daughter put out tweets.

I'm still trying to figure out the part where Sashi was able to figure out problems between Kraft and BB before anyone else in the world did?

What am I missing?

Go get 'em, mac!

Whether Pluto has accurate information or not, Sashi failed to deliver a QB here. Having multiple chances to do so.

I think we have to be very careful about what we read. 95% of what is in the printed media is non-factual or incomplete and doesn't tell the whole story.

To me, it just doesn't make any sense that the Patriots would pass up a first round pick unless there was some other reason they didn't want to deal him to Cleveland e.g., the report of a first round pick is wrong, Bellicheck didn't want to deal with the Browns, Bellicheck wanted him out of the AFC.

Regardless, Sashi is not here not just because of Garrapolo. He's not here because of Wentz and Watson as well. He had 2 years to deliver a QB and PASSED UP multiple opportunities to do that.

Whether Hue was a part of those decisions or not, I really don't give two craps. Someone, ANYONE, please do something to help the Browns win. For once.

J/C

Did ya'll see Joe Thomas tweet up a storm on Jimmy Garappolo?



Colin Cowherd made the same points, really. In a nutshell - Bill wanted to move on from Tom Brady and roll with Jimmy G. Bob Kraft shut it down. Bill traded away their back-up QB's as a result. Bill sent him somewhere he thought was a good situation that he'd sign long term, outside of the AFC. Jimmy was also never going to be a Brown because Bill Belichick holds grudges.

I don't think we ever really had an opportunity see Garappolo in brown and orange. Regardless of what Sashi did or didn't do, nobody can convince me that Belichick DIDN'T know that the Browns would beat a second. They already had beat it in the offseason and Kizer wasn't exactly looking like the answer.

Everyone with cognitive functioning knows the Browns would have beat that 49ers offer in a heartbeat.

No, teams don't make offers to owners. The make offers to GMs or the coach.

Sashi screwed a lot of things up, but it's becoming clear that with regards to jimmy, this wasn't one of them.

This is all pretty far off base.

Report: Browns were willing to deal No. 4 overall pick, more for Jimmy Garoppolo

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-browns-willing-deal-no-4-overall-pick-jimmy-garoppolo-001050153.html

Yea.....this isn’t on Sashi or anybody in the front office. The patriots just weren’t gonna deal with us.

Why not?

I just read the article. How the hell did anyone know we would have the 4th overall pick when that trade was made?

I ain't buying it.

We offered Houston’s first pick and they still said no?

At some point you need to come to terms with the fact that we weren’t gonna get him. He didn’t want to come here, and the patriots weren’t gonna deal him here.

Sorry bro......I ain't buyin' that. The NFL is a business.

Do you believe the earth is flat?

I still think the difference was Hoyer. If NE deals JG they have only Brady and need a backup and Hoyer already knew their system. They didn’t have that dealing with us. They had to have that insurance policy.

Are you saying that the NFL isn't a business?

BB asked that at a Cav's game once.

That definitely helped. But if it was all about business, then they would’ve took the first round pick and whatever “goodies” we offered. A first round pick for a backup qb hat they drafted in the 2nd round?

Can’t beat that value, Brian Hoyer or not.

j/c:

Anyone know how many interviews the great Sashi Brown has received since he has been fired?

LOL.........people are still butt-hurt that this bum was fired.

I’m saying that every move made isn’t all about just business, especially in the nfl.

Who’s buthurt that he’s fired?

Most people are glad he’s gone, but the overwhelming evidence shows that in THIS case, it was completely out of his control.

Sounds like a Wimpy statement. I’d gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. NE needed to be paid for their hamburger today.

None of those reports are proven though, Swish. It's a report. Not a fact.

It kills me because people on here take some reports as gospel and automatically claim other reports as complete BS. It's all about their personal feelings on the subject.

I don't know what is true and what isn't. I can speculate, but that means very little.

But until the actual principles are quoted..........reports aren't facts.

And I will go one more..........we have a poster on here who wants Wylie fired because he called out Sashi on the JG trade and leaving the office early. But bro, Wylie actually WORKS for the Browns.

Who knows more about the situation. You? Me? Dep? A reporter? Or one of our coaches?

The bottom line on all of this is that Sashi and the coaching staff weren't speaking to one another. That is awful. Someone had to go. And it's a damn good thing that Haslam finally made the right decision.

Yea, but if multiple reports are all alluding to the same thing..... I mean come on.

Look, I wanted Sashi gone the moment he passed on Watson. I wanted him gone the moment he cut Haden.

But I’m not gonna place blame on him for something that wasn’t his fault. He clearly tried multiple times to get the guy, and every time the patriots said no.

At some point, you just have to move on.

Okay. We disagree. No big deal.

That's fair. You could be right. I simply disagree that Sashi is "blameless." But again, I respect your opinion. No big deal.

Bill Belichick reportedly didn't let the Browns anywhere near Jimmy Garoppolo, and it may have cost the Patriots

Scott Davis


The New England Patriots reportedly outright rejected offers for Jimmy Garoppolo from the Cleveland Browns.
The Browns' offer reportedly included the Houston Texans' 2018 first-round pick, which is now the fourth pick in the draft.
The Patriots only got the San Francisco 49ers' second-round pick for Garoppolo, which may lend credence to the theory that Belichick sought to get a better deal for Garoppolo than for the Patriots.


Bill Belichick's alleged hand-picked destination for Jimmy Garoppolo may have hurt the New England Patriots in the long run.

In October, the Patriots traded Garoppolo to the San Francisco 49ers for a 2018 second-round draft pick. ESPN's Seth Wickersham reported last week that after Belichick was ordered to trade Garoppolo, he chose the 49ers out of respect for the Shanahan family and with the belief that Garoppolo could flourish there.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported in December that there is a belief that Belichick would not trade Garoppolo to the Browns out of fear that they would stall his development.

On Monday, Cleveland.com's Jerry Pluto reported that the Browns were rejected outright by the Patriots when they called about Garoppolo, but it may have hurt the Patriots just as much. According to Pluto, the Browns were willing to trade the Houston Texans' 2018 first-round pick (sent to the Browns in a trade-deadline deal last year), plus spare parts, to make the deal happen.

According to Pluto, the Browns had asked about Garoppolo and were rejected just two days before Garoppolo was dealt to the 49ers.

LMAO...."Jerry" Pluto, huh?

Everything you read on the 'net is real and it has nothing to do w/click bait.

whats it gonna cost them?

a 9-7 season when Brady retires? smh.

Browns' GM John Dorsey will interview Packers exec Eliot Wolf Tuesday
Updated 9:40 PM; Posted 9:21 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_gm_john_dorsey_wants_to.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns new GM John Dorsey could be bringing even more of that Packers magic to Cleveland.

Last week, he hired former Green Bay senior personnel executive Alonzo Highsmith as a vice president in the personnel department. Now, he hopes to add Packers director of football operations Eliot Wolf in some capacity.

He'll interview Wolf on Tuesday, a league source told cleveland.com.

Awesome!

I have no idea how this will work under league rules......I'm clueless on that type of thing.........but, Wolf would be a great addition to an already great staff of Dorsey, Hue, and Highsmith.