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I think it's a valid concern. It's already out there that a lot of his teammates didn't like him and that is important for a QB. He's also going to be put out in front of the media a lot and therefore a team spokesman.

Would that alone be enough for me not to take him? Probably not, but that really depends on what happens in the interview room. I would be in there trying to push his buttons and see what happens.

Opinions about social and political issues are different from character concerns.

I have read as much as I can on this topic and I am not buying that his teammates don't like him. I have read speculative reports, but when you read comments from his coaches, they tell another story. When you watch the videos, they also tell another story of how his teammates react to him.

I think comments by students are a bit different in nature.

LYAO all you want- how's Kap doing with his political statements, his background scares me- JMHO, seems to be rich, entitled, better than all of you....JMHO. AND, he's had AT Least several concussions- he's one hit in NFL from hanging it up...unless he wants to be Mohammad Ali at young age. He's the exact type of guy to hang it up quickly after getting paid...again, JMHO...GO Browns!!!

He has politicians/lawyers as parents....ya think he'll be prepped...we need to dig deep on Rosen, be real critical about his medical....GO Browns!!!

It doesn't really matter. Whatever the truth is will be found out. Most teams hire ex FBI guys to research player backgrounds now. They'll interview everyone they can think of and look for every record they can think of. Dorsey will then make a judgement call on whether or not what he hears concerns him.

I would be happy with either Rosen or Darnold but one reason I prefer Darnold is he seems to be much tougher. He does not mind playing for the Browns where Rosen said he does not want to play for the Browns. If he is not tough enough to take on a challenge then maybe that is the difference that separates Darnold from him.

You are resorting to making things up. Have a nice night.

Rosen's father I know is a doctor. In fact most people don't know this, but Rosen's father and Darnold's father work at the same hospital.

I had watched a video the host stated Darnold's father was a plumbing contractor. Maybe that is incorrect.

I'm on board with drafting Rosen #1. We need a QB and he seems to be the best QB in the draft. I'm as confident in him being our guy as I was last year with Garrett, and Joe Thomas in 2007. Other years I wasn't convinced.

Nope that is correct, but one of the buildings he works in is the hospital that Rosen's dad works at.

Wouldn't that be a double check? LOL

This absolutely concerns me.

A lot of what I've seen suggests that Rosen highly values his intelligence. That philosophy, politics and philanthropy mean a lot to him. A guy with a curious mind who likes to learn everything about anything.

If he does notice any deterioration, I absolutely think he'd hang em' up in a heartbeat.

That's something that just cannot result in someone being taken off your draft board, but it absolutely needs to be something that teams consider.

Valuing one's own mind being listed as a negative on this board does not surprise me. LOL....

Relax, I'm joking.

You guys are over thinking this. Rosen is the by far the best qb in this draft. I think it's almost boring because he is so much better than everyone else. The arguments are reaching ridiculous heights.

Do you want to draft him knowing he doesn't want to be here?

Would a good comp. for Rosen be Sam Bradford?

Mind you, I'm in the camp of we can't go wrong with either. But I DISAGREE that Rosen is FAR away Better than Darnold.

Rosen just looks confident and smooth in the pocket. He reeks Pocket Passer. I love this kid.

Legitimate concerns about this Concussion thing. You cannot overlook it. We need to dig and dig some more. I'm really not concerned about this Attitude thing. We'll dig deep on this also.

Who threw out that 20% Completion Rate over 20 Yards? I'd like to see those Splits where they show Passes to different areas of the field, left, right, center, under pressure and not, different depths of throws etc. You STAT guys know what I'm talking about. Throw up a Link.

Darnold is the other that reeks confidence and is smooth in the pocket. Total Control. Love his ability to move around and CREATE. He can run. He strikes me as the guy I want with the ball in his hand when we're down 2 with 45 seconds left and one T/O.

Darnold also has the BUILD to take the beating. This dude just REEKS CONFIDENCE, never give up attitude. From all things published, he's a down to earth great young man.

I'm heavily leaning Darnold with Mccarron or Daniels. PERFECT QB Room to get Darnold ready by game 3-5.

Beauty is, even though we've been through the last 2 years of losing, as painful as it's been, we FINALLY will have a REAL QB for the next 10+ YEARS. And can STOP the never ending search every damn year. This repeated searching is damn near MORE frustrating than the last 2 years of losing.

This ain't those QB Classes of Geno Smith, Ponder and Bortles. These are 2 LEGITIMATE QB'S that can be the Face of your Franchise for many years to come.

And one of them will be OURS. I'm STOKED!

kwhip...

Let me pose you a question, since you are tying so much our fate to the QB we pick.

What if we draft Rosen or Darnold and continue losing....

People forget that there are a number of teams with good QB's that continue losing.

Also, I honestly believe that the chances for any QB to succeed under Hue are very slim. He's probably the HC I've seen that least adapts his offense to a QB, and the worst game planners I have ever seen.

Legit question. Extremely legit.

If we come out continuing this losing every week, with the amount of players we will add in FA and the insane amount of Top Quality Draft Picks we have, Hue Jackson WILL NOT survive through the first 8 games. If that.

We will NO DOUBT have an ACCURATE QB in Darnold or Rosen and added weapons to Offense and Defense. Any MANY guys in year 2 and year 3 of schemes. Jackson's leash will be SHORT and it SHOULD be.

No More Excuses.

I agree we need a mentor for Kize and the rook, whoever that might be.

I guess my feeling is do we have to think of the vet as a short term fix?

What about Cousins if he hits the market? Would it be out of the question to go all in to get him, and then bypass drafting a QB high?

Would we be a better team in the short and long term if we signed Cousins for 4-5 years, traded out of the #1 pick, and went from there? That to me would be option 1A.

An intriguing option...

Agreed. I wouldn't trade out of the #1 pick, however.

maybe keep #1 and trade down on #4.. that is the nice part about having two picks in the top 4.

I don't know that. What I do know is that he is right when he says he would rather go to a stable team than one that is unstable. I also know that Myles begged the Cowboys to draft him last year and yet we chose him and that he was not a problem whatsoever. In fact, I think he was a very good teammate, hard-worker, and played through an injury.

Again, I think people are overthinking this. Rosen is the best qb in the draft. We need to take him.

My thinking is whoever would trade up is going for a QB. The price would be epic. I don't know that any single player would equal what we could get in trade value. I am also not sure that whoever you would select at #1 that wasn't a QB wouldn't still be there at #4.

I'd probably still take the QB, but if I wasn't, I would let the Giants know at #2 that I am trading the #1 overall and someone else might leap ahead of them in the QB race.

I've never seen "opinions" listed in an evaluation chart regarding QB's before. If the opinions of people had anything to do with their employment, most jobs in our country would go unfilled.

Only problem is that Rosen has never said this. Yet people repeat it all the time.

Once again, he's never said this.

Why am I not surprised someone had to Hue bash in yet another thread that has nothing to do with Hue. This BS is stupid.

Don't reply to posts about stuff you don't want in a thread. That'd be a great start to keeping threads on topic.

I'll point it out every time I see it. Trying to put the blame on people who piont out who is actually derailing the threads in the first place may not be your best place to start. And in case you missed it, only the refs can control and tell people what to post. But thanks so much for your concern.

I'd expect those refs to hit your inbox shortly.

Yeah, they wouldn't possibly expect people to quit derailing threads. Hey, maybe people will figure out who the board narc is?

It's cute how you keep bringing facts into this topic.

And can you explain how can you have a conversation about a possible QB without talking about the Head Coach and OC?

Have you seen, in the 32 games Hue called here, him catering the O to the QB?

I haven't, so main issue should be, what veteran QB fit's Hue's mold for a QB. And what veteran Qb's would be willing to play for Hue,knowing he won't get any help from the OC.

When the head coach and the offensive coordinator are the same person, this link is unavoidable. If we hire someone else as the offensive coordinator, I think the dialogue should/will change.

I guess you can find an excuse to diss the HC on every thread on the board if you look hard enough. At least that's been the case so far.