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Yeah, he wanted Hoyer but didn't even ask for him to be included in the trade. That's not common sense actually.

fascinating that happens to be where our most talent s...

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Swish, I think the whole text was explained both by Watson and Hue.

Actually if there is any plausibility, is that Watson was already negotiated with the Brock trade.

I was very disappointed for not taking Watson, but I never believed we would ever take him.

Keeping with the Green Bay theme - Maybe the Walrus will be our next head coach?


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that sucks then, and has me wondering if Hue even knows what a QB is.

but i looked at the old draft threads, there were plenty of people trashing Watson and wanted Trubisky over him.

yea....

Yep, that's why I say that they are the only ones who showed something. Specially the OL, where they were able to replace some first round picks for some journeyman, and a HOFER Left tackle in the middle of the season.

Apparently you believe that Hue was not able to sign any QB, but he could chose the lineman at will....

Huh? I mentioned it above... Compensatory picks.

Released players are also not counted against compensatory picks. The Patriots would lose a pick if they had traded for him.

Beats me how a coach can like Hooker and settle for Peppers...

I read Dorsey's comments on Mahomes. He mentioned 3 other teams were highly interested in the quarterback. I questioned if we were one and that's why the Chiefs moved up to 10. Maybe we were 1 along with the Saints and Cardinals. I would have liked Mahomes.

i dunno bro.

it still appears that the trade back was on Sashi, as Hue wanted SOMEBODY there at 12.

this whole 2017 draft could end up being just another busted draft year for the Browns.

"Our coaching staff is mediocre, with the notable exception of the Line coaches."

just think its funny you think the line coaches are better than mediocre when that happens to be where all our talent is.... guess the rest of the coaches suck because they lack talented players?

He probably didn't. For all of the opinions thrown out, it seems nobody really has an explanation for this.

If Hue was the screw up and not Sashi, why was Hue kept and Sashi fired? I mean people can make BS up, but none of it explains the results of things that went on behind the scenes that nobody really knows about. They just guess about it and claim they actually know something. Which they don't.

That's the way I remember it also. It was necessary for Hoyer to be released, not included in the trade...

To me is evident that Hue was on board with the PLAN. What he never expected was a 1-15 and 0-16 season.

But he was not good enough to win some games, and its pretty evident why he was not able to do it.

Nobody sane calls for 66% passes against the best pass D in the League in bad weather with kizer throwing.

Nobody sane keeps on playing Peppers and Kizer...

Hue is just a mediocre coach,and he cannot adapt to the players he has.

That does seem to be the popular theme around here.

Because the line coaches were the only ones who could recognize talent and coach them..

Now that's not that hard to understand..

And even then the OC goes and calls a pass play near our goal line, against one of the best pass rushers in the league without giving our new LT some help...

Amazing...

Maybe miscommunication between the FO and coaching staff? I'd suspect they figured Kindred could play FS while Peppers SS, but our coaching staff determined we were better off with Kindred at SS and Peppers FS.

Setting aside the issue of Sashi and Hue, this FO is appearing very strong. Like Memphis said though, there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen. I wonder how much impact (if any) Hue's voice in the draft will be...

Not to defend anyone else’s thoughts but I don’t see where the lines played well enough to think they were coached any better then the rest of the team. I mean our Oline was suppose to be border line great with two very highly thought of free agents added to Thomas and Bitoni, with Coleman as the only real question mark. And our Dline is full of high draft picks, Garrett, Ogbah, Shelton all in the top 40, Nassib and Orchard as second round picks. I felt both groups under performed.

IDK how we got Wolf to come here, but outstanding. Outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The new front office is actually, believe it or not, is looking strong. Dorsey, Wolf and Highsmith, just great! I feel confident we'll hopefully use all our assets and pick players worth a damn with them. No more Colemen's, Kizer, Manziels and the list is never-ending.

I've been a critic of Peppers since the draft, and believe me that I don't think its possible for a coach to play Peppers if he does not like him.

He shouldn't even suit up for any game, that's how bad Peppers is, IMHO, yet he is a starter....

Hooker was a shoe in for our D, he had all the traits we should be looking for in a safety. Peppers adds nothing to our D, even if he was a good player, having an undersized linebacker would add nothing with Collins and Kindred here.

Haven't we tried the football guru approach before... I clearly remember the Savage/Holmgren/Banner era...

I like the BB, Paul Brown, approach... Just hire a Coach Guru and let him handle all the stuff.

It looks good on paper, but I'll wait until I see some results before I go getting any kind of excited.

This is just another fruitless move in a long, long history of fruitless moves until it proves itself to the contrary.

They have the pedigree, for sure.... now, can they make it mean anything whatsoever here in Cleveland?

Yeah, you have Joe Thomas, Bitonio and two highly paid FA's on the OL. And other coaches refuse to play their better players. lmao

Well if this “all star” front office can’t improve this team , no one can.

Realistically, I am not so sure that the Browns didn't have a better draft than Green Bay or Kansas City over the past couple years. The missing element has been QB, however.

Quoted for truth.

This may be a good thing. I'll get excited when all of this turns into W's. Until then imo, it's getting all excited over nothing.

Browns fans do it every draft, every new front office, every new coach, etc.

Well we gotta get excited about something.....

If they can bring Aaron with them.... until them, honestly I think all this optimism is unfounded..

Packers is not a team I would say has a solid FO. They are like the Colts in the PM era.

All is good when AR is not on IR.... then they suddenly become one of the worst teams in the league...

But people are reacting like we just got Ozzie or something...

KC and GB.... reminds me a lot of the whole Phily afair...

Browns add Eliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith to personnel staff

Cleveland Browns General Manager John Dorsey today named Eliot Wolf Assistant General Manager and Alonzo Highsmith Vice President of Player Personnel. Wolf spent the past 14 seasons with the Green Bay Packers, most recently as Director of Football Operations, while Highsmith had been with the Packers personnel department for 19 years, the last six as Senior Personnel Executive.

“We’re lucky to add Alonzo and Eliot to our personnel staff,” said Dorsey. “Alonzo’s 25 years of experience in the National Football League as a player, scout and personnel executive give him a unique perspective when it comes to evaluating talent and building a team. Alonzo and I share the same passion for this great game of football. We are going to set out to find talented football players that possess that same passion for the game. Eliot has been a fine executive in this league for some time now. It’s been great to watch him grow up around this league when I was with him in Green Bay and from afar for the last five-plus years. He’s been a big reason for the consistent success the Packers have experienced over the last decade. Adding Eliot and Alonzo to our personnel leadership group, that already includes Andrew Berry, will strengthen us and help us develop into the type of personnel department we need to achieve the success our great fans deserve.”

“I’m so thankful for this opportunity and I’m really excited about joining the Cleveland Browns organization,” said Wolf. “I really like the direction of where leadership is headed. We’re going to build this team the right way and to be a part of that from the ground up is going to be special.”

“This is going to be an exciting challenge,” said Highsmith. “It’s great to reunite with John Dorsey. He is someone I’ve looked up to and has always been a mentor to me. We had great success together in Green Bay and we both understand the hard work it takes to create a winning environment. I’m grateful to have the opportunity to be part of something special. Some of my fondest memories in football were playing the Browns in the playoffs one year and the fans throwing dog bones at us so we had to turn around and play that series at the opposite end zone. I believe in the Haslams, Coach Jackson and John, and I’m looking forward to helping build the type of team Cleveland Browns fans will be proud of.”

In addition, the Browns have also added Jimmy Noel as Assistant Director of Pro Scouting, Matt Donahoe as Scout and Dan Zegers as Personnel Coordinator. Noel, Donahoe and Zegers all previously spent time in the Kansas City Chiefs personnel department. Ken Kovash who has served as Vice President-Player Personnel for the last two seasons will transition to a Vice President role in the club’s strategy department.

Eliot Wolf

Wolf spent the past 14 seasons with the Green Bay Packers. During his time in Green Bay, the Packers earned 10 trips to the playoffs, seven NFC North division titles and a victory in Super Bowl XLV. From 2004-17, Green Bay ranked among the NFL leaders in points per game (third with 25.6) and wins (fourth with 224).

Wolf officially joined the Packers as a pro personnel assistant in 2004. He was promoted to assistant director of pro personnel in 2008. He spent 2011 as assistant director of player personnel before serving as director of pro personnel for three seasons (2012-14). Wolf was elevated to director of player personnel in 2015 and spent his final two seasons (2016-17) as director of football operations.

His father, Ron, was the general manager of the Packers and was inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2015. Wolf’s scouting career unofficially began at the age of 10 when he joined his father in film sessions. He later held scouting internships with the Packers, Falcons and Seahawks.

Wolf earned a B.A. degree in English with an emphasis in creative writing from the University of Miami (Fla.). He graduated in December 2003 after just three and a half years in order to begin his NFL career before the 2004 NFL Draft. At Miami, he volunteered in the football office’s recruiting department.

Alonzo Highsmith

Highsmith played six seasons in the NFL and spent the past 19 seasons in the Green Bay Packers player personnel department. He joined the Packers as a college scout in 1999 and spent 13 years on the college scouting staff. He was promoted to senior personnel executive in 2012 and remained in that role through the 2017 season. During his time in Green Bay, the Packers earned 13 trips to the playoffs, nine NFC North division titles and a victory in Super Bowl XLV. From 1999-17, Green Bay won 304 games, fourth-most in the NFL during that span. The Packers also ranked second in the NFL with an average of 25.3 points per game from 1999-17.

As a running back, Highsmith was the third overall pick by the Houston Oilers in the 1987 draft. He spent his first three seasons (1987-89) with Houston, starting 40 consecutive games, before being traded to Dallas. He spent a year and a half (1990-91) with the Cowboys before finishing his career with Tampa Bay (1991-92). He retired following the 1992 season following a series of knee injuries. He appeared in 65 regular season games and rushed for 1,195 yards on 283 carries with seven touchdowns. He added 42 receptions for 428 yards and three touchdowns. Following his NFL playing career, Highsmith spent four years as a professional heavyweight boxer. He compiled a 27-1-1 career record.

A four-year letterman at the University of Miami, Highsmith helped the Hurricanes capture the 1983 national championship. He led the team in rushing his sophomore and senior seasons and earned a degree in business administration.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...08-20548b00eafa

I don't really disagree with either of you. The proof is in the pudding. I actually don't believe that too many people are what I would describe as excited. Some are, that much is true.

I am however somewhat optimistic. I never believed that putting someone in charge who had virtually zero experience in evaluating talent or was ever in charge of a draft being put in charge of things was in any way conducive to success. While I didn't think it was impossible for Depodesta to help with the analytics portion of helping in the talent department, the difference between doing that in baseball and doing that in football would be a huge obstacle that would take a lot of time to adjust to.

I believe the experience and resume' of the people hired gives us much better odds to succeed and get the talent this team so desperatetly needs. So color me hopeful and optimistic. I also realize that there are two types of people that most fit under. One being those who feel nothing will ever change. Then there are those who wish to look for anything to give them hope that it will. Maybe I'm just one of those people who want to find some hope.

Ryan Grigson - G - Free Agent

Browns fired senior personnel executive Ryan Grigson,

Grigson was fired as the Colts' GM less than a year ago and latched on with the Browns in May. He lasts just one season with the team with the Browns overhauling their front office and bringing in a bunch of talent ex-Packers executives. Grigson, 46 next month, has seen his career spiral the drain.

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I cannot believe that I liked two of your posts...in ONE DAY!

We also nabbed 3 pro scouts from Kansas City. . .

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j/c...

Wolf is an excellent hire with a proven track record of success. As it stands, the FO is the most qualified and credible the Browns have had since the return in '99.

Today, I feel positive about the make up of the FO.

With Grigson getting 86'd, I'd assume others may be on the way out as well in the near future or after the draft. A guy like Ken Kovash could be the next to pack his belongings.

Kovash is moving over to "strategy".

Sounds like he may be working with Depo.

100% spot on.

Wake me when we start winning some games.

If our first 3 games next year are the AFC North, that's 0-3. Panic will set in. Hue will probably be fired and we will have another wasted season.