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Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
It's so easy for a sane person to see what a downward spiral this country is plunging into when it comes to morality.


I would argue that this depends on whose moral standard you would be using to make that judgement. I personally see no more of a moral dilemma with pot than I do alcohol or certain prescription drug use. I have more issues with the harm caused by religion than the harm caused by pot.

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Billions of dollars and zero risk.


Can you provide a single link showing any sort of proof that a drug cartel (I assume you mean foreign cartels and not big pharma) has had ANY part of ownership in Colorado's Legal Pot Industry?


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States think it's a cash cow but it's already causing same major problems and getting worse. The most common way to die is from car accidents. In colorado it has more than doubled due to people driving while high on pot.


Again, can you provide proof backing up these statements and pointing the finger at legal pot? I would like to see it and I won't accept a nutjob website.

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Meanwhile in opioid-induced constipation America:

A New Jersey doctor running an illegal prescription opioid drug ring with a motorcycle gang had a member hire someone to kill his wife after she threatened to expose the scheme while trying to force him to agree to a divorce, authorities said Tuesday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctor-charged-having-wife-killed-protect-drug-ring-220359503.html


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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Cons, libs... they all act the same.
This bunch will overstep their bounds just like the libs before them. There will be a sea change again, because there always is.

My Pops was right: politics is a pendulum.
We've swung about as far right as possible. Snapback is gonna be a b!tch for you.

Me? Not so much. I live a lot closer to the center than you, so I won't get seasick.

Enjoy the ride.
It's gonna feel like Cedar Point for the likes of you.

I agree with you and have watched it for decades now.. but is it just me, or the pendulum larger and more volatile than it used to be? Used to swing a little this way, a little that way.. the swings seem to be getting far larger and more drastic than I remember.


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It used to settle somewhere near middle once in a while too.
No more, it just swings. Compromise is a thing of the past.

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Oh Jeffy, Somebody may just shove a bong up your ass.

So Jeffy thinks it's OK for me to pop oxy like it's pez candy, but don't dare use Pot which works ten times better than pills, and is non addictive.

Der Lord will the stupidity of our government ever end. banghead



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But opiates are fine with him... because opiates don't cause Male Nigroes ta rape White women.

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“What you really need to do is go back in the ’30s, when they outlawed all types of drugs in Kansas [and] across the United States,” Alford said, according to the Garden City Telegram. “One of the reasons why, I hate to say it, was that the African-Americans, they were basically users and they basically responded the worst off to those drugs just because of their character makeup, their genetics and that.”

Lawmaker Says Black People Can't Handle Marijuana Because Of 'Genetics'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawmaker-says-black-people-apos-015536887.html

Pit wants AA's to bend over backwards to please the same demographic that has no problem saying stuff like this in public settings.


Yeah, it's all or nothing Swish. All whiteys are the same. You're being very immature. I agree with you on about 90% of racial issues. And you wonder why you can't seem to actually effect any real change.


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nobody said all whiteys are the same.

ive made my position quite clear. but if you and some others decided that i was saying that, then i dunno what else to do.

i know how you roll, which is why we've always been tight. but you clearly don't see that the nonsense argument you're using with the N word is on par with pointless debates such as "why is there a BET and no WET", or my favorite "why do blacks get a whole month to celebrate history and we don't".

its cool for people to fly the confederate flag, even though it means different things to different demographics, and certain groups have tried to change the meaning of what the flag represents. that kind of thinking is fine, to you.

but using the N word? nah, it's all or nothing, right? even though we've tried to change the meaning, just like them.


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You're the one who keeps saying "the same demographic".

Here's the point. You keep using that phrase, but....

That same demographic passed the civil rights bill.

That same demographic fought for the North that freed the slaves.

That same demographic helped Obama become president.

I didn't expect to win some argument over the N word. I simply pointed out the perception that many see, just like I do. If you think that helps further some agenda or helps with race relations, have at it.

And since when did I think the rebel flag was a good idea? You're wrong.

I speak out any time I think differently on issues. Be it the rebel flag or anything else. I learned a long time ago that two wrongs don't make a right. That if I'm offended by what others do, acting in a way that offends them really isn't an excuse.

But you really need to quit acting as though there is some great divide here. There really isn't. I don't use the N word. I don't fly a rebel flag. I'm fully aware that if I do things that people of other cultures or races feel is a slap in the face, I'm part of the reason why race relations don't get better. I believe if everyone acted the same things could get better. So I see using the N word as a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.

I'm not going to use the excuse that other people choose to do offensive things as an excuse to do it myself. I understand that you don't feel the same way. But you really need to quit going around making it sound like our difference on this topic makes me a part of the problem. Or that the view that nobody should use the N word is expecting anyone to "bend over backwards" for anyone.


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And I disagreed with your perception.

There is a divide, so I’m not acting like anything.


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I am all for States Rights but no State has the Right to overrule Federal Law.



Right, but States don't have to enforce Federal law, nor do they have to help enforce ex. a multi agency task force.


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I thought WET was code for Cinemax....


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But opiates are fine with him... because opiates don't cause Male Nigroes ta rape White women.


Lack of pain relief could cause white males to rape Jeff Sessions.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
If you have read the entire thread you know that I agree with you about the feds having the authority to enforce such laws. I'm just wondering how much common sense would be involved in doing so.



It really doesn't matter Pit. You enforce laws or you don't. You can't decide which ones you will and won't.

I get that this is a unpopular one to enforce for many people, but they can't have their cake and eat it without knowing all laws need to be enforced.

As I said, change the law. Don't be good with selective enforcement.


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It really doesn't matter Pit. You enforce laws or you don't. You can't decide which ones you will and won't.


If you're a politician wanting to be re elected you do, and then there is Jury Nullification. I don't know how expensive it is to prosecute pot smokers at the federal level, but jury nullification can't be easy on the budget. If the legal states get a few of those in there favor, the people might get a little upset at money being wasted.


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But opiates are fine with him... because opiates don't cause Male Nigroes ta rape White women.


Lack of pain relief could cause white males to rape Jeff Sessions.


eeeewww...

Pretty sure I didn't need that mental image....

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It really doesn't matter Pit. You enforce laws or you don't. You can't decide which ones you will and won't.


If you're a politician wanting to be re elected you do, and then there is Jury Nullification. I don't know how expensive it is to prosecute pot smokers at the federal level, but jury nullification can't be easy on the budget. If the legal states get a few of those in there favor, the people might get a little upset at money being wasted.




If you are counting on nullification, you don't stand a good chance. Most jurors listen to the judges instructions on what can be considered and what can't.


As I said before, if Federal law doesn't trump, then any state who doesn't want some group a vote, so be it.


You can't pick and choose which laws to follow and which laws you don't. You follow the laws of the land or you don't.

You follow the law, you break the law, or you change the law. It's that simple.


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It really doesn't matter Pit. You enforce laws or you don't. You can't decide which ones you will and won't.


If you're a politician wanting to be re elected you do, and then there is Jury Nullification. I don't know how expensive it is to prosecute pot smokers at the federal level, but jury nullification can't be easy on the budget. If the legal states get a few of those in there favor, the people might get a little upset at money being wasted.




If you are counting on nullification, you don't stand a good chance. Most jurors listen to the judges instructions on what can be considered and what can't.


As I said before, if Federal law doesn't trump, then any state who doesn't want some group a vote, so be it.


You can't pick and choose which laws to follow and which laws you don't. You follow the laws of the land or you don't.

You follow the law, you break the law, or you change the law. It's that simple.


So judges illegally leave out the FACT that all criminal charges can be nullified?

The path to full legalization won't rest solely on nullification, but it's going to be an important part of getting there. Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move, so the local NAACP could make a poster child out of her. Poster kids will be nullified, and help win the path to changing the law.


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Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move,


Is this true?


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Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move,


Is this true?



This is the first I've ever heard such a thing.
And I've known the Rosa Parks story since I was 6 or 7.


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Originally Posted By: from History.com
4. Her act of civil disobedience was not pre-meditated.
Although Parks knew that the NAACP was looking for a lead plaintiff in a case to test the constitutionality of the Jim Crow law, she did not set out to be arrested on bus 2857. Parks wrote in her autobiography that she was so preoccupied that day that she failed to notice that Blake was driving the bus. “If I had been paying attention,” she wrote, “I wouldn’t even have gotten on that bus.”
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Guess that blows that accusation out the water.

Not a light thing to be throwing around.


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indeed.
not cool.


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Not a light thing to be throwing around.


indeed.
not cool.


She was on her way to a NAACP meeting when arrested and taken off the bus. I don't see that it matters anyways. It had to be done. The sooner the better.


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That is a country mile removed from this:

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Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move


Ted found the real story.
You fleshed out the details.

The above quoted is a flat-out lie.
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That is a country mile removed from this:

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Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move


Ted found the real story.
You fleshed out the details.

The above quoted is a flat-out lie.
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She had also been depicted as a woman with no history of civil rights activism at the time of her arrest. Which was also false.


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That is a country mile removed from this:

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Rosa Parks was put on the bus that day and told not to move


Ted found the real story.
You fleshed out the details.

The above quoted is a flat-out lie.
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Comedy Central told this story on Drunk History in February 2017, and I saw it last week. True or not, in that amount of time if enough evidence existed to prove it false, I believe it would have been brought to light. I thought it was a pretty brave plan, purposely doing that during that time. I know cowards today that would probably hurt someone like her doing what she did. Sorry if you took offense.


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Rescinding a single persons guideline is not rescinding an actual law.....if you don’t like a law, get it changed....don’t just ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist.

For those struggling to understand how stuff works in a society....laws TRUMP guidelines....sorry charlie

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Where to start?

Enact policy to deny a states right to sell recreational marijuana.

Give money to drug cartels/black market, deny millions to public funding, I'm literally talking about schools and infrastructure..

Republicans have gone too far this time. I respect many of you, but the party you voted for has failed you, that is not a reflection on you.

We need to rebound with a global respect for planet earth, biodiversity. Your totalitarian onslaught against a Green Earth sickens me. You should be ashamed

Is the biodiversity thing and recreational marijuana part of the same argument? I'm having a hard time connecting how rescinding the Obama-era rules on going after marijuana distributors is equivalent to a totalitarian onslaught against a Green Earth.


It was a convenient way for me to tie 2 important issues together. Mainly because sometime in the future, we will realize how much we mess up planet earth, and marijuana should be legal. It's a natural progression of common sense, just not realized by the powers that be today.

Shout out to Vermont. They legalized the possession of marijuana this week, without even having to put it to a vote. Mainly because they see the writing on the wall, the will of their people.

These young whipper snappers and their crazy notions, biodiversity, legalized marijuana. At 36 years of age I'm firmly planted in the middle of that demographic and the this message board. Curious as to when this becomes a non issue, just a realization.

I'm sure all of you already knows this, but 64% of Americans approve marijuana legalization, and that includes the south.


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Since when does the government actually listen to the will of the people? What the majority think makes no difference. It's all about gerrymandering the system so the majority have no voice.


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I agree. Though they do a better job on the state level. Hence legal medical and recreational cannabis sweeping the country state by state.


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Originally Posted By: teedub
Rescinding a single persons guideline is not rescinding an actual law.....if you don’t like a law, get it changed....don’t just ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist.

For those struggling to understand how stuff works in a society....laws TRUMP guidelines....sorry charlie


It is currently illegal to sell corn flakes in Ohio on Sundays.

What good would it do for someone in charge of local city or county law enforcement to enforce this law strictly on the basis of it being a state law?

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Originally Posted By: teedub
Rescinding a single persons guideline is not rescinding an actual law.....if you don’t like a law, get it changed....don’t just ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist.

For those struggling to understand how stuff works in a society....laws TRUMP guidelines....sorry charlie


It is currently illegal to sell corn flakes in Ohio on Sundays.


Wrong. Just Columbus: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea...e-books-in-ohio

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Originally Posted By: teedub
Rescinding a single persons guideline is not rescinding an actual law.....if you don’t like a law, get it changed....don’t just ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist.

For those struggling to understand how stuff works in a society....laws TRUMP guidelines....sorry charlie


It is currently illegal to sell corn flakes in Ohio on Sundays.


Wrong. Just Columbus: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea...e-books-in-ohio



Do you think Columbus should spend taxpayer money enforcing this law?

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Originally Posted By: teedub
Rescinding a single persons guideline is not rescinding an actual law.....if you don’t like a law, get it changed....don’t just ignore it and pretend it doesn’t exist.

For those struggling to understand how stuff works in a society....laws TRUMP guidelines....sorry charlie


It is currently illegal to sell corn flakes in Ohio on Sundays.


Wrong. Just Columbus: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea...e-books-in-ohio



Do you think Columbus should spend taxpayer money enforcing this law?


Is there a big corn flake underground taking away tax dollars?


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