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Agree 100% ... EVERY SITUATION is different ...



We should and will do both shortof signing Cousins ... Smith is a PIPE DREAM at best ...



Whose quitting? .. how is that quitting? ... he’s on the team with a CHANCE TO COMPETE ... how is that quitting on him? ...

Kessler’s 2nd year was a really exciting time .... *L* ....

U seem to think he should just be handed the starting job next year ... either that or bring in BS COMPETITION that really has no shot at starting ...



Common sense also dictates U STRIKE WHILE THE IRONS HOT ...

- we have a QUESTION MARK at QB ... even you’ll admit that ... no?

- we have the #1 pick with two QB’s worthy of the pick ....

- we have TWO TONS OF CAP SPACE to sign either a Cousins or a “2nd tier” type QB ...

COMMON SENSE says to STRIKE WHILE THE IRONS HOT ....

Pitdawg I agree that most 2nd round QBs will most likely bust but still think you look at your second round picks to much as assets to think if the guy doesn’t show us something oh well. Personally I wouldn’t have taken Kizer then but I’m not in anyone’s front office. He’ll be here next year and hopefully will improve, maybe won’t ever be a star but you never know.

Since it seems many have a problem using a search engine, let's get down to how this actually breaks down shall we?



https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20...-draft-by-round

No, this doesn't separate franchise QB's from average or above QB's. But what it does point out quite accurately is the vast difference in the fall off in talent after the first round.

Now you guys can keep listing names and making excuses that fly in the face of the actual results if you'd like. But hopefully you see just how foolish that is at this point. Your odds are more than twice as likely to land a starter in round 1 than it is round 2. And once you fall below round 2, you may as well use a dart board. lol

We have this same BS every year. I guess some people are getting much older. They can't even seem to remember it from year to year.

Thanks for playing.

I certainly hope he improves. I think he's a good kid and want him to do well no matter what the future holds in store for him. I understand your position, I really do. I simply hope you'll look at my post above which states that Kizer basically had a 27% chance of success. Now I'm not a big stat guy myself. But I have no doubt that the "former FO" knew these odds.

With that in mind, they took a pretty big risk. They were also in a position they had to find an answer at the QB position pretty quick or they were going to be out the door. I think that's where analytics fails a lot of times. I don't believe it factors in that the QB position is worth a premium. And your odds are far better at solving that problem high in the first round with the best BPA at the position.

You see, I don't advocate what they did. I'm just looking at the situation and trying to make sense out of it.

eotab....

Wow really?

1st, didn’t use quick reply, just wrote my comment at the bottom, I can’t help it if you can’t remember what you said. By the way you were the only one to use the word mularky.

And no offense but you stated your opinion why it was mularky, not truth. Nothing involving player evaluation on a message board is truth, not yours, not mine, not anyone’s. It’s all opinion. All of us see things our own way.


A lot of rookie QBs through the years have had the same issues Kizer had. Some got better, others didn’t, I could list some on both sides but you won’t see it so why bother. You see it your way and to you your way is truth. Fine. I unlike you respect people’s opinions on here even if I don’t see it the same as you do. Just discussed back and forth with Pitdawg without it getting personal and without either of us telling the other they were wrong. Like you did.


“Football knowledge?” Were on a message board, all of our collective football knowledge means nothing, we’re all just playing GM. Or coach on here. If any of us were as smart as we thought we’d be collecting paychecks for it.


I wasn’t picking a fight. Just calling you out on for telling some of us how our opinion on a message board is just mularky while we’re suppose to just beleive that what you say happens to be the correct opinion. Sorry to have gotten you all fired up about that.


As for Kizer, he made some bonehead plays, yes. I agree. Most rookies do, but I personally don’t know if all the blame falls to Kizer or not. Your opinion it does, my opinion is that the circumstances he was in may have played a part as well as coaching. I myself wasn’t able to watch Hue working with Kizer to know the type of coaching he was receiving so ergo I can’t know the answer to that. I felt he did show some signs of improvement as the year went on, albeit not as much as I would have liked, I understand you didn’t. I’m just not ready to give up on a second round draft pick who I can’t decide wether he had the help he needed or didn’t. I want to see more of him.


Now how does that opinion effect our draft this year, it doesn’t. Kizer, while he did flash some things at times did not show enough to warrant not picking a QB this year, assuming there is one there that not any of us like but that Dorsey and his team like.

That IS the quick reply.

Then what’s the actual quick reply labeled at the bottom of everyone’s post? I guess I did use quick reply then. Thought they were two riffs that things, my bad.

That does nothing but put your cursor in the 'quick reply' box at the bottom.

If you want to reply specifically to a poster, don't hit "quick reply", hit "reply" just to the left of the 'quote' thing.

Actually, hitting Quick Reply does mark you as responding to a specific post, just as I'm doing with this reply.

Quick Reply marks you as responding to the post you clicked 'Quick Reply' on and then moves your cursor to the box at the bottom for you to begin typing.

Ok thanks, I’ll try to remember that. I do this on my phone with not so good eyes

Well I"ll be dipped.

You, sir, are correct! Imagine that?

Well purple if all you do is type in the quick reply button it just responds to the thread poster by default and I think that is why Eotab meant to day. You are correct though =)

Kizer needs to start next year. Develop him further.

If we draft Rosen, Rosen can sit and not be thrown to the wolves.

somehow I just don't see that happening.

The Chiefs yet again have a big need at quarterback.

This time it’s not at the starting position — Kansas City needs backups. Alex Smith will be traded to Washington which will give Patrick Mahomes a clear lane to the starting position. Long-time third-stringer Tyler Bray is slated to be a free agent and it’s doubtful that he returns to the the team. That leaves Mahomes as the only quarterback on the roster.

We’ve thrown out some veteran suggestions like Josh McCown, Chase Daniel and Matt Moore. Some folks have suggested that the Chiefs should take a swing at guys set to be released like Mike Glennon. Some have even said that K.C. should trade with the Philadelphia Eagles for Nick Foles.

Here at the 2018 combine, it pays to keep your ears open and ask folks what they’ve been hearing.

Heard today that #Chiefs could be in discussions with the #Browns to acquire 2nd year Quarterback DeShone Kizer. I was told that compensation could be as little as a day 3 pick or late round swap for the #Chiefs to obtain Kizer.

Former Chiefs general manager John Dorsey now resides as the Cleveland Browns’ GM. There was much speculation that he would be interested in the two players the Chiefs have traded away (Smith and Marcus Peters). The Browns did inquire about Smith, but clearly didn’t offer as much in compensation or contract incentive to make the deal happen.

Whether this DeShone Kizer deal comes to fruition is unknown, at least until the start of the new league year on March 14. However, it would make sense that the new regime with the Browns would want to move on from Kizer and would be interested in doing business with Kansas City.

Kizer did struggle in his situation with the Browns, but let’s be honest, when was the last time a quarterback drafted by the Browns hasn’t struggled?

Kizer finished 2017 with a 53.6 completion percentage after starting 15 games. He had 2,894 passing yards, 11 touchdowns to 22 interceptions. Obviously he needs to improve if he wants to be successful in the NFL. Dorsey spoke a bit about Kizer in his press conference, saying Kizer improved “week in and week out.”

A fresh start for this young quarterback could be exactly what he needs and pairing him with a great coach like Andy Reid couldn’t hurt. It could potentially prove to be valuable down the line having two good young quarterbacks and the ability to flip Kizer to a quarterback-needy team.

Also, putting another young quarterback in the room can only help push Mahomes to get better.


https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/03/trade-possibility-browns-qb-deshone-kizer-to-the-chiefs/

I am going to be pissed if they trade Kizer.

Me too.

Depending what we would get, I'd get over it quickly. I don't see it happening though.

I don't want to just give him away. I would rather see him go through camp, and see if he improved at all, than to give him away for a late round pick.

No thanks, unless they blow us away with an offer.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are bridges burned between him and Hue Jackson.

He might be a sunk cost. Get what you can for him now.

Same here. I'm very curious to see what the 1 year experience and a whole offseason did for him.

...Hue or Kizer?

there was a report from the combine that KC was offering us a 3rd day pick (5/6 rounder) for kizer

There is a very real chance that we draft two QBs that Dorsey likes and sign a vet. If that’s the case then there is no room for Kizer. I do know that if he is at the combine with his agent as was reported he is shopping himself to others.....no other reason to be there.

I personally will be somewhat surprised if he is here next year at this point

IMO, getting rid of kizer this early would be a mistake. I'm okay with signing a vet, drafting the best QB, and keeping Kizer

I'm not ready to give up on Kiser. If he can learn to be more accurate and make quicker decisions he can be something special.......If

I don't think that we should trade him for a late round pick, but if KC wants him, it surely isn't to start. It was yet another reach by Saint Sashi.

Kizer is never going to get the reps/shot to be special here if we draft someone at 1 or 4. The expectations and exposure will be too much for him to get a fair shake to improve. And he can't play a Vet role because he turns the ball over WAY too much.

If we get a Vet and take someone in the top-4, getting something for him is better than nothing which is what we'll get if we hold onto him.

BUT if we don't get a Vet, I'd love to see how he reacts to a #1 pick looking over his shoulder.

The Carolina Panthers drafted Jimmy Clausen with the 48th pick in 2010. In 2011 the Panthers drafted Cam Newton first overall. Clausen never had another pass attempt for the Panthers.

We drafted DeShone Kizer with the 58th pick. We will [probably] draft a QB with the first overall pick. Kizer will probably never play for us again. We should probably try and get something for him while we still can.

Any team with an aging Vet at QB would be happy to trade for Kizer. Anything less than a 2nd round pick would be a failure.

I'd guess that it'll be much less than a second round pick.

Kizer's value last season was a second round pick. He then played and was horrible (because of many different factors). He also has one less year on his rookie contract. He is no longer worth a second round pick.

Oof, I disagree. I haven't given up on Kizer yet and things happen in this league. Kizer's on a 4 year contract and then he's a RFA, correct?

That gives us a couple more years to develop him, and at some point he might have to fill in and then he can show some worth.

Kizer did what no one else could do, pretty much survive an entire season. Had he not been benched, he'd have played 16 games.


I think there's a lot to like about the 21 year old kid. The future is in his hands though, he has to just focus on improving himself. He has a place in the NFL for sure

I would not trade him for a 5th-7th round pick. He would be more valuable as our 3rd qb than that.

No worries ... hes going no where ...

Hopefully we hear of him working with House or some other qb mechanics guru .... i have no clue if his accuracy will ever get there but i sure would like to give him an entire year to work on his mechanics and see ...

Its worth the #3 spot on the roster for ...

Trading Kiser would be a mistake. I think Dorsey is smarter than that.

He was a late 2nd round pick. His receivers couldn't catch a cold. It didn't work out last season, but I wouldn't call it a reach. If we'd taken him at 1-1, you'd have more of a case.

So a possible situation (team wanting to trade for DK) is essentially impossible (team giving up a second for him) lol?

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I think Kizer is fine right where he is. He's in a position to know exactly his mishaps, have tape to review and an off season he entered in healthy and in working condition to get going.