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Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield - which one is most suited for Cleveland weather?

Darnold

I think they get measured at the senior bowl too.

Josh Allen, played in Wyoming, outdoor stadium if I’m not mistaken, lol

Who's initials stinks more?

Brock Osweiler's BO or Baker Mayfield's BM?

I have a nephew with the initials BM. I've called him B since forever, but in the last 3 years or so, have extended that to BM. He doesn't mind at all. If he did, he'd tell me. Trust me.

well, as a Navy Boatswain's Mate (BM), I would have to say that I feel bad for Brock's misfortune

https://twitter.com/NFLDraftInsider/status/951535276912005120

I'd be worried if he had Jay Cutler's attitude on the field. Also, this is weird because Sam Darnold's actual play on the field reminds me a lot of Jay Cutler.

He reminds more of Favre with a little Rodgers sprinkled in.

I don't care if he's green with yellow eyes and can't say 3 words to the media without them throwing up on each other, as long as he can actually be the QB we have been looking for since the dark ages I'm fine with some attitude.

Agreed. The Jay Cutler comparison is lame.

The guy doesn't like Trump. Big deal. He spoke out on universities exploiting athletes. Big deal. He had a hot tub in his room. Big deal.

I can't stand draft media 'off the field' concern BS.

A prospect rubs a scout the wrong way and all of sudden he's a bad kid? Can't freakin stand it.

I’ve been saying this for a while now.

Agreed. No one in the NFL cares that Aaron Rodgers hasn't spoken to his parents in 5+ years. They only care if he wins games.

So Swish, when did you meet Rosen? Will you share your personal conversations w/us?

Just freaking stop w/the BS!

Did you meet him?

Can you share your personal convo with us?

JC...

The main thing that really pulls to me from Rosen, (and in all fairness I missed a lot of games this year due to conflicting schedules...I often get to see some west coast games) Rosen just looks like an NFL QB...you think you are watching NFL tape...That caught me quickly...

We all know how hard it is for even seasoned scouts to predict a QBs outcome...But he definitely is more refined than all I've seen.

I am no QB expert...But in 2014 I said Bridgewater was the better of the QBS, he looked pretty darn good prior to his bad injury...I said if Mariota came out that year (were rumors) I'd bump Mariota over Bridgewater...Loved Mariota as the best in 2015 draft, He was looking really good prior to his injury...(Had kind of a down year this year, but hey he's in the playoffs) 2016...I admit I liked Goff over Wentz, but thought Dak would present great value if we took a QB later...Not going to lie, I thought Wentz was a product of inferior competition...I couldnt be more wrong lol I told everyone to avoid drafting Kizer, as I saw him as Logan Thomas 2.0...And despite a lot of people saying Watson was a 2nd or 3rd round QB, I believed he was the best in class...

Then again I remember wanting WR Justin Blackmon too lol

We shall see and I hope Cleveland finally gets it right...because every single one of us here on this board deserve to be able to enjoy our team even if it is only at a .500 team...Imagine how great it would be to watch competitive football again...drool

No, I didn't. Then again, I am not the one making dumb-ass claims about his character. I am NOT saying he is a great guy like Josh McCown.

You are trashing his character by saying he is like Jay Cutler. So Mouth, have you talked to him?

He doesn’t need to be a great guy like josh McCown.

But if his teammates aren’t looking for him to lead, we have a problem. If he has jay cutler work ethic issues, we have a problem.

Hell, you’re already trying to brush off his injury history, which is definitely a problem. How many more concussions does he have left before he just ups and decided to call it quits?

That’s a real concern.

Again, I’m not the only guy bringing these issues up. I didn’t pull these thoughts out of my ass.

But you seem to have a problem with reality. Just like you’re doing in the jimmy g thread.

He could be really good.

He could also be a colossal bust.

You are being argumentative and are falsifying my statements. Its the same thing you did when we were discussing Jimmy G.

You hate Rosen. That's fine. I don't. And frankly, I could give a rat's ass if that is fine w/you or not.

I don’t hate Rosen.

If he’s on the team then I’ll root for him until he proves he sucks.

Why is discussion =argument. I didn’t even say anything to you. You decided to come at me.

Okay Swish. My bad. Goodnight.

I think Rosen is the most ready to play at the next level. Darnold has skills, but he turns the ball over way too much for me. We have been down that road to many times.

Reading defenses and good mechanics make Rosen my top choice.

Absolutely. Comparisons are ridiculous by their nature. Rosen is is own man, like Culter is his own man, and so on. I've read nothing but positive praise coming out of interviews with those that work with him and those that have coached against him. Any muck being raked is simply speculation and projection by the media. On the extreme, it's possible he may be strong-headed, willful, opinionated, he may insist on explanations instead of being blindly obedient, and he may even feel a little entitled because of his success, talent and skillset, but none of that makes him a bad teammate or a poor QB.

On another topic, if there is one reason to question Rosen, IMO, it's the number of concussions, and how it will affect his will and decisions to play over the long term. He could consider hanging them up if it happens again, or he may be forced out because of potential future health issues. In a head-hunting division like the AFC North, that could be a significant issue. His level of commitment must be thoroughly vetted.

If he interviews well and demonstrates to the coaches and GM that he has a love for the game and is in it for the long haul, I wouldn't hesitate a heartbeat to make him the #1 pick.

Thanks for posting - that was a really awesome soundbite / interview.

Personally I don't care for Trent one bit ... this might be the best interview or most fair and balanced thing I ever heard him say. . . . I guess I am surprised not to hear him say at the end of the interview "It's too bad Rosen will end up with the Browns because they are such an awful franchise and will ruin him" !! Trent still carries a giant chip on his shoulder and drips animosity towards us.

When we change what we do, people will change how they react to what we do.

The concussions are the only concern I have about the guy. I think the Browns will have the ability to check them out before the draft. Is that right?

And I am sorry I got angry at Swish earlier. I just don't like when people start making things up about a dude they don't know.

It's one thing if we see an arrest report or if we see the dude doing stupid stuff on the field, such as throwing a ball at a guy's head before the game. However, to tarnish a guy's character w/out any evidence is pretty lame.

Agreed. Rumors are made at this time of year.

Teams will put out reports of poor character, just hoping to get their guy to drop to their slot.


Like you, my question with Rosen is the concussions. It just makes me really nervous. I think he'll be a good QB, safe a bet as any at that, I just don't want a guy who retires after three or four years

Doubt the front office will "learn" squat about Rosen's concussions other than someone said he had symptoms and was put in protocol.
Im not a doctor but how do u calculate previous damage to the brain or chances of further risks? Brain scans? Cat scans? It seems to me unless he shows current symtoms its at best.. a real guess for future cases.

I don't know the answers, that is why I asked. I just did a quick research, but I couldn't find the answers I was looking for. That leads me to believe you are right in that we can't predict them going forward.

Would two concussions in college stop you from drafting a player?

The one thing I did see while doing the quick research is just how prevalent concussions are in football.

After our johnny and Justin busts, I hope we look into everyone’s character deeply.
I’m not concerned with the rumors myself. But you still have to look into it like anyone else.

Well if everyone tells the truth and they can talk to the doctors that determined he might have a concussion, read the reports and have independent doctors review the data,they might be able to tell the severity at least. Was he throwing up, headaches, dizzy, sensitive to light, etc. How long did the symptoms last?

Hell, we've ALL had a few concussions in our past. If you played football as a kid. I know I have multiple times. Every time you see STARS is probably a Clinically proven Concussion.

As violent a sport as football is, it's happening to guys ALL game long, EVERY game. It just cannot be stopped. Especially in the trenches.

Once you start having multiple concussions you will always be more likely to get them in the future.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20031118/one-concussion-increases-risk-of-more#1

https://www.brainline.org/article/repetitive-head-injury-syndrome

Trent hit on my biggest concern with Darnold, his elongated release is going to be an issue. He is going to fumble, I think both of these guys could be very good, I think Darnold has a better chance of being bad. JMO

Doing a quick search of who has started at Qb in the NFL, to see just how many Qb's already in the NFL, on this planet are clearly better than Kizer 42ish,

and Wikipedia lists NY Giants starting Qb's right up to Josh Rosen in 2018.

Imagine that.