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My only guess is that it's a little too taxing on him being 70 now.


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
My only guess is that it's a little too taxing on him being 70 now.




I agree. Who wants old time football thinking.?

I am a old time guy, but don't think that way except for music. Give me Merle Haggard any day.


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I like Saunders as an advisor to the head coach. This is kind of what we discussed in another thread. Sort of an asst HC. The extra set of eyes on game day. A guy with experience to assist Hue at running the team.


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That is a pretty good point.

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In a way, to me at least, it is kind of Hue showing that he is open to help and willing to use input from a very knowledgeable colleague.

Many paint a picture of Jackson in a bad light. They hammer him about his press conferences and accuse him of throwing players under the bus to protect himself. I just don't see it that way. I see him as someone who is honest, and struggles to paint things in a different light then they really are.


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https://twitter.com/Elise_JesseWLWT/status/951655714631618566

Hearing Ken Zampese got the QB coaching position with the Cleveland Browns.

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https://twitter.com/Elise_JesseWLWT/status/951655714631618566

Hearing Ken Zampese got the QB coaching position with the Cleveland Browns.


It'll be interesting to see who is O-Coordinator


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#Giants WRs coach Adam Henry signed a 3-year deal with the #Browns, per his agent Rocky Arceneaux. Cleveland hopes the former #LSU WRs coach who worked so well with Odell Beckham does the same for Josh Gordon.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/951584972091150336

Wasn't this Al Saunders job?


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Can confirm #Browns will hire Adam Henry as wide receivers coach. Al Saunders is moving into a senior advisory role for coach Hue Jackson.


https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/951587738800836608



I was hoping that Saunders would become our OC. Oh well...


That may be what the "Senior Advisory" position entails ...


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https://twitter.com/Elise_JesseWLWT/status/951655714631618566

Hearing Ken Zampese got the QB coaching position with the Cleveland Browns.


It'll be interesting to see who is O-Coordinator


.....Assuming one is actually hired.

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I think Sean Ryan will sign with us tomorrow. It sounds like we interviewed him yesterday and today we signed a coach who has worked under Sean Ryan before and no one has talked to him since, presuming on my part based on the rumor mill. He might be sleeping on the offer or giving Houston a chance. jmho tho

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#Raiders have or are scheduled interview at least 6 OL coaches including Hal Hunter, Hank Fraley, Dave DeGuglielmo (as @rapsheet said he's interviewing on Mon). Also, only coach retained so far from Del Rio's staff: Asst WRs coach Nick Holz. Others are being reviewed.

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I think Sean Ryan will sign with us tomorrow. It sounds like we interviewed him yesterday and today we signed a coach who has worked under Sean Ryan before and no one has talked to him since, presuming on my part based on the rumor mill. He might be sleeping on the offer or giving Houston a chance. jmho tho


As plenty have said, Sean Ryan will likely only accept the job if Jackson gives him playcalling duties. I hope that isn't what is giving pause.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
https://twitter.com/Elise_JesseWLWT/status/951655714631618566

Hearing Ken Zampese got the QB coaching position with the Cleveland Browns.


That means David Lee is either reassigned or gone. I don't know how much Lee had to do with the performance of the QBs, but it's hard to keep the QB coach after the season our QBs just had.

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Browns Adding Giants Wide Receivers Coach Adam Henry To Their Staff

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The Browns are adding another piece to their coaching staff, as NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport states that Giants wide receivers coach Adam Henry has left the team to join the Browns coaching staff on a three year deal.


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From the tweet that Rapoport sent out, it sounds like they have high hopes that Henry will be able to come in and motivate a wide out core that had its share of issues in 2018.

Henry had been with the Giants for the past two seasons and was Odell Beckham Jr.’s WR coach at LSU, a job he held from 2012-14.

http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/browns-adding-giants-wide-receivers-coach-adam-henry-staff/


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Originally Posted By: PeteyDangerous
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https://twitter.com/Elise_JesseWLWT/status/951655714631618566

Hearing Ken Zampese got the QB coaching position with the Cleveland Browns.


It'll be interesting to see who is O-Coordinator



It will.

If we hire a guy to step in and run the current O, we didn't hire a O coordinator.


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If we hire a guy to step in and run the current O, we didn't hire a O coordinator.
I don't understand this statement.

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I think Sean Ryan will sign with us tomorrow. It sounds like we interviewed him yesterday and today we signed a coach who has worked under Sean Ryan before and no one has talked to him since, presuming on my part based on the rumor mill. He might be sleeping on the offer or giving Houston a chance. jmho tho


As plenty have said, Sean Ryan will likely only accept the job if Jackson gives him playcalling duties. I hope that isn't what is giving pause.
I think the speculation about whether Sean would only accept the OC spot w/ playcalling duties over stated. Didn't they original say he Ryan wouldn't even be interested w/o playcalling? Yet he still interviewed.

Even though he is an up and comer hes not in position to dictate/demand playcalling duties. At the end of the day he is still a coach looking for a promotion.

I hope Sean is OC, regardless of whether or not he has playcalling duties.

I would interview Shula/Dorsey also.

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...it's hard to keep the QB coach after the season our QBs just had.


...as is the same with the WR's.


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If Henry coached Odell at LSU, he also coached Jarvis Landry. The latter is scheduled to be a free agent this year and he would be an outstanding signing for the Browns.

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If we hire a guy to step in and run the current O, we didn't hire a O coordinator.
I don't understand this statement.


He's taking yet another shot at Hue. It's what he does.

Personally, I don't want a new offensive system here. I want an OC to help w/the daily grind of the job and to help implement the weekly game plans. I don't want a new scheme, new language, new route trees, etc.

Hue got the HC job due to his offensive coaching abilities. He isn't dumber than he was in other places. He needs a little help and an influx of talent. Give him that and will be magical as to just how much smarter he looks.

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Ah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Even if he looks better, will some people admit it?


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Cleveland Browns Head Coach Hue Jackson announced today that the team has named Adam Henry as wide receivers coach and Ken Zampese as quarterbacks coach.

He also announced that earlier this week, the team parted ways with David Lee (quarterbacks), Shawn Mennenga (special teams assistant), Stan Watson (special teams quality control) and Kirby Wilson (running backs/run game coordinator). Chris Tabor, who has served as the team’s special teams coordinator since 2011, has joined the Chicago Bears coaching staff. In addition, Al Saunders, who served as senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach, will transition into an advisory role. His new title will be senior assistant/special projects.

“At the end of each season, you have to evaluate everything,” said Jackson. “The coaching staff is obviously a big part of that process and it starts with me. The truth of the matter is, we need to improve in every area. These are difficult decisions and for the coaches we’ve decided to part with, we thank them. They are good men, that have worked extremely hard and I appreciate their efforts. Adam Henry and Ken Zampese are two really good coaches that I was fortunate to work with earlier in my career. They have successful track records, having coached and helped develop some really good football players. They will demand a lot of our players and challenge them to become their best.”

Adam Henry

Henry has 21 years of experience as a coach with 13 on the college level and eight in the NFL.

He spent the past two seasons (2016-17) as the Giants wide receivers coach. In 2016, Odell Beckham Jr. registered a career-high 101 receptions for 1,367 yards and 10 touchdowns. His reception total was the second-highest in Giants history and his yardage total was third. Sterling Shepard finished second among all NFL rookies with 65 receptions.

Henry was San Francisco’s wide receivers coach in 2015. He worked with veteran Anquan Boldin, who finished with 69 catches for 789 yards and four touchdowns.

Prior to San Francisco, Henry was the wide receiver coach at Louisiana State University for three seasons (2012-14). Henry helped develop two of the most successful receivers in school history in Beckham and Jarvis Landry. In 2013, Beckham and Landry became the first pair of receivers in school history to finish with more than 1,000 yards in the same season. The two, along with James Wright, were all selected in the 2014 NFL Draft making LSU the only school to have three receivers picked in that year’s draft.

Henry spent five seasons with the Raiders. He spent his first two seasons (2007-08) as offensive quality control coach and the next three (2009-11) as tight ends coach. Henry helped the development of Zach Miller, who became the first tight end in franchise history to lead the team in receiving for three consecutive years. Miller earned a Pro Bowl selection following the 2010 season.

Prior to the Raiders, Henry spent 10 years coaching at his alma mater, McNeese State. He spent nine seasons (1997-05) as wide receivers coach before being promoted to assistant head coach/offensive coordinator for 2006.

As a wide receiver at McNeese State, Henry earned all-conference honors and finished his career with 93 receptions for 1,690 yards and 16 touchdowns. He signed with New Orleans as an undrafted free agent in 1994.

A native of Beaumont, Texas, Henry earned an undergraduate degree and a master’s degree from McNeese State.

Ken Zampese

Zampese (pronounced zam-PEE-zee) spent the past 15 years with the Cincinnati Bengals. He spent 2016 and part of the 2017 season as offensive coordinator after serving as quarterbacks coach for 13 seasons (2003-15).

He helped shape two of the best passers in Bengals history in Carson Palmer and Andy Dalton. Zampese served as quarterbacks coach for Palmer’s first seven NFL seasons (2004-10) and for Dalton’s first five (2011-15). Zampese helped develop each to multiple Pro Bowl selections as well as numerous franchise records. Dalton, a second round pick in 2011, became just the second quarterback in the Super Bowl era to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first five seasons. Palmer led the NFL with 33 passing touchdowns in 2005. In 2004, Zampese helped quarterback Jon Kitna set several career highs en route to being named the Associated Press Comeback Player of the Year.

Prior to Cincinnati, Zampese spent three seasons (2000-02) on the Rams coaching staff. In 2001, he served as wide receivers coach and the Rams led the NFL in passing yards. He added the title passing game coach in 2002 and the Rams finished second in the league in passing yards.

Zampese began his NFL career as an offensive assistant with Philadelphia in 1998. He was an offensive assistant with Green Bay the following year.

Prior to the NFL, he spent nine years coaching on the college level. He spent time at San Diego (1989), Southern California (1990-91), Northern Arizona (1995) and Miami-Ohio (1996-97).

Zampese played wide receiver and kick returner at San Diego. He was named the Special Teams Player of the Year as a senior. He earned an undergraduate degree in business from San Diego and a master’s degree from Southern California.

His father, Ernie, was a longtime NFL offensive coordinator and helped the Cowboys win Super Bowl XXX.

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I'm pretty surprised that Kirby Wilson got the axe. Basically the entire offensive staff got the fired over a two year period.

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_coach.html

Browns add Adam Henry and Ken Zampese, part ways with Kirby Wilson, Chris Tabor, David Lee and others in staff shakeup
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Hue Jackson has completely overhauled a staff that went 0-16 this season.

He announced the previously reported hirings of Adam Henry as wide receivers coach and Ken Zampese as quarterbacks coach.

He also announced that earlier this week, the team parted ways with David Lee (quarterbacks), Shawn Mennenga (special teams assistant), Stan Watson (special teams quality control) and Kirby Wilson (running backs/run game coordinator). Chris Tabor, who has served as the team's special teams coordinator since 2011, has joined the Chicago Bears coaching staff.

In addition, Al Saunders, who served as senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach, will transition into an advisory role. His new title will be senior assistant/special projects.

"At the end of each season, you have to evaluate everything," said Jackson. "The coaching staff is obviously a big part of that process and it starts with me. The truth of the matter is, we need to improve in every area. These are difficult decisions and for the coaches we've decided to part with, we thank them. They are good men, that have worked extremely hard and I appreciate their efforts. Adam Henry and Ken Zampese are two really good coaches that I was fortunate to work with earlier in my career. They have successful track records, having coached and helped develop some really good football players. They will demand a lot of our players and challenge them to become their best."


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Yeah, I didn't think that Kirby was that bad.

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If I'm summing up the run game I would say that it was simple.
I don't think it focused enough on nickel/3 wide.
But again this is where the coordination piece comes into play.
If you're run game is based on power and base personnel and the passing game is based largely on 3 WRs....then something/someone has got to give so that you can run and pass from the same sets.

With that being said, even though the run game concepts I thought were basic and lacked diversity/creativity it was still quite productive/effective when Hue called their number. And maybe i'm spoiled when it comes to run game, i grew up loving Bobby Turner/Mike/Kyle Shanahan smashmouth zone run game. They had inside/outside zone, power, pulls, traps, tosses.

Not surprised about Al Saunders. At some point his age was going to catch up with him. Hats off to the job he did with Terrell Pryor. And he was dealt a bad hand in terms of talent at the position. I think youth is the way to go when it comes to position coaches.

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I don’t understand what’s going on. Can someone explain? Why are we conducting interviews for a position that may or may not exist? Ryan had an interview then Hue comes out and says he’s still not sure if he will hire an offense cordinator? I’m trying not to say anything discouraging about the guy but WHAT?

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Originally Posted By: dean_fairchild
I don’t understand what’s going on. Can someone explain? Why are we conducting interviews for a position that may or may not exist? Ryan had an interview then Hue comes out and says he’s still not sure if he will hire an offense cordinator? I’m trying not to say anything discouraging about the guy but WHAT?


And only one guy was ever linked to the job. It is a farce.

(Obviously I am going off the premise that Hue Jackson does not hire an offensive coordinator. If he does, then I will be happier and these statements will be irrelevant. I am an impatient person.)

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Did Hue actually say that he might not hire an OC?

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
Did Hue actually say that he might not hire an OC?


https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/951877658056515586

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Since Hue became HC of the #Browns (2 years ago tomorrow to be exact), he has replaced all but 3 coaches from his original staff. That's insane.

https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/951876482267312129


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Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg
Since Hue became HC of the #Browns (2 years ago tomorrow to be exact), he has replaced all but 3 coaches from his original staff. That's insane.

https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/951876482267312129


That's does seem a bit crazy.


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Did Hue actually say that he might not hire an OC?


https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/951877658056515586

Right I get that she is saying this.
But when did Hue say it?
How is her tweet anything more then speculation?
She didn't say: Hue said blah blah blah


Her timeline doesn't even acknowledge that Ryan interviewed for the OC spot.

Idk her report doesn't seem to match with the actual fact that they're interviewing people for the position.

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Maybe he didnt have a good feel for Ryan. Look I think Hue shoulda been fired week 10 and I hated his playcalling this year but he knows he has to win or he is gone and if he thinks the best chance for him to win is for he and Al Saunders to run the O then who is to say he is wrong. its his ass hanging in the wind.

Oo and no one should buy into the he wont hire someone because he is afraid they will fire him and have him take over. Hue knows, he has to win. It wont matter whether its week 5 or 17. He has to produce in the win column.

competitive wont cut it.
throwing another rookie QB under the bus wont cut it.
Saying it wasnt a good run because the OL did their job wont cut.
Having your daughter and your media stooge complain about Dorsey wont cut it.

Anyway, whether Hue hires an OC or not isnt a big issue. Whether Hue can pull his head out of his ass and win a game, that is the issue.

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I just don’t understand anything that’s going on here, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but I’ll wait and see, I just wish we could get some sort of idea as to what the plan is going forward, the “new plan”, “revised plan”, whatever you want to call it. It just seems, on paper, that he’s winging it. I just want to know the direction we’re going in.

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I just gotta make one point here....There have been, for lack of a more accurate word, excuses on here for Hue being retained cause he didn’t have the QB or the talent at other positions, WR, etc. which is fine, I get it, but my question is all these guys he just let go we’re working with the very talent that Hue didn’t have, so.........I’m completely lost on this now. Was the problem the talent, the coaches he just let go, or actually Hue himself? And I’m really asking not just attacking the guy.

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Originally Posted By: dean_fairchild
I just gotta make one point here....There have been, for lack of a more accurate word, excuses on here for Hue being retained cause he didn’t have the QB or the talent at other positions, WR, etc. which is fine, I get it, but my question is all these guys he just let go we’re working with the very talent that Hue didn’t have, so.........I’m completely lost on this now. Was the problem the talent, the coaches he just let go, or actually Hue himself? And I’m really asking not just attacking the guy.


And who is responsible for hiring a coaching staff that has been, almost completely, madeover in two years?

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Originally Posted By: dean_fairchild
I just gotta make one point here....There have been, for lack of a more accurate word, excuses on here for Hue being retained cause he didn’t have the QB or the talent at other positions, WR, etc. which is fine, I get it, but my question is all these guys he just let go we’re working with the very talent that Hue didn’t have, so.........I’m completely lost on this now. Was the problem the talent, the coaches he just let go, or actually Hue himself? And I’m really asking not just attacking the guy.


If people are being honest, I don't think anyone on this board actually knows the answer to your questions. At this point only time will tell. But I'm pretty sure you're going to have some posters that will reply to you like they have crsytal balls.


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Good point. I’ve been trying my best to see the light for keeping Hue, but it just seems that the more that happens the more it looks like the accountability for the last two years is being spread everywhere, FO, especially Sashi, coaching staff, players(not talented), except for Hue.

IMO everyone is accountable. Everyone.

And listen all you Hue defenders, while I never wanted him as head coach I do understand the guy is here, and will be here next season, I just want some answers and transparency as to what we are doing as we move forward. Are we hiring an OC, are we not? Why are we firing almost everyone on offenses when we want to maintain continuity? Why has only one guy gotten an interview for OC and why have we not heard of anyone else even being rumored that we like for the position? Answers to these questions and more.

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