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Yeah, it's time to stop acquiring picks and PICK someone worth a damn!

I think we did that last year when we took Garrett

Eotab I will just have to disagree with you on that one =)

Mour I might just have to agree with you =)


One thing to keep in mind is that none of these QBs are guaranteed to be stars in the NFL. Darnold has the issues with how he regressed instead of got better. Rosen has a poor deep ball and seems made of glass. Both of these guys have me concerned to be honest.

When you remove all the hype my guy is the more complete QB because he is almost as accurate short to mid but is amazingly better when it comes to the deep ball. He gets rid of the ball fast too which is something I like a lot. He spreads the ball around a lot too instead of locking on to one side of the field like Rosen has a tendency to do.

I'd much rather sign alex or kirk and then draft my guy to sit behind him with kizer and let the best man win after winning a king's ransom in high picks for move out of #1 spot. Multiple first round picks is going to be better than one provided we get a QB in FA.

Either way I really love this guy's game.

and where was Big Ben drafted again? I'd really hate to miss out on drafting the next Big Ben and I truly feel Mason will be that guy.

I saw where Rudolph was compared to Chad Pennington.

Can I get an AMEN!!!!!

With the #metoo movement, it’s probably not the best choice.

Browns QBs and the draft: One evaluation puts Mason Rudolph at top
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This will be one of the most interesting Cleveland Browns offseasons in years. The team has a new front office, $110 million or so in salary-cap space and the first and fourth picks in the NFL draft.

In the draft, the emphasis will be on the quarterbacks. The Browns have DeShone Kizer and uncertainty at the position.

We’ll regularly run down developments, chatter and thoughts on the position as the draft approaches, starting with five items to consider:


Mason Rudolph threw for 4,904 yards and 37 touchdowns as a senior at Oklahoma State. AP Photo/Sue Ogrocki
The general consensus has USC’s Sam Darnold and UCLA’s Josh Rosen as the top prospects. Louisville’s Lamar Jackson and Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield lurk in the background as legitimate options if the Browns take a quarterback with the fourth pick instead of the first. Wyoming’s Josh Allen is a wild card who will join Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, which will be closely scouted by the Browns. CBSSports.com, though, does not have any of them as its top-rated quarterback. Its top-rated quarterback: Mason Rudolph of Oklahoma State. He’s 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, and he threw for 12,765 yards, 86 touchdowns and 22 interceptions in his three seasons as a starter. CBSSports gives him the draft’s highest ranking; some consider him a second-round pick. Rudolph will have a great chance to help his standing at the Senior Bowl.

It’s an interesting ranking, especially given that Oklahoma State quarterbacks haven’t exactly set the NFL world on fire. CBS has Darnold as the 22nd-best player and Rosen at No. 17. ESPN Insider’s Scouts Inc. has Darnold as the No. 3 overall player and Rosen at No. 1. Rudolph is the sixth-ranked quarterback and 53rd-ranked player. That’s quite a variation.

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It’s next to impossible to see the Browns trading out of the first overall pick and extremely difficult to see them trading out of the fourth pick. A team that has a history of trading down and failing to select receiver Julio Jones and quarterbacks Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson -- a team that now has some hardcore football folks running the front office -- probably won’t deal again. However, it’s not tough to think that teams might make a move to trade up. One team to keep in mind that will look to find a quarterback: the Buffalo Bills, who have two picks in the first and second rounds if they want to trade up to the fourth spot.

Another possible trade could involve the first overall pick. It could only happen one way, though: If the Browns know the New York Giants prefer the quarterback they do not want, they could trade down a spot, get an extra pick or picks and still draft the quarterback they want. For instance, if it is evident the Giants want Rosen and the Browns like Darnold, a trade down one spot would give the Browns extra picks and allow the Giants to get their guy and the Browns to get theirs.

There will be increasing chatter as the draft approaches that the Browns should take running back Saquon Barkley or another position player with the first pick. There will be questions about whether Darnold or Rosen, or whoever, is more worthy of the fourth pick than the first. This might be 100 percent true when it comes to evaluations, but it doesn’t hold water when the importance of the quarterback position is factored into the equation. Two years ago, the word on Jared Goff and Wentz was that neither was worth a top-two pick, and perhaps not even a top-10 pick. They went 1-2. Last year, the word was that none of the quarterbacks were ready to play or worth a high pick. Three of them went in the top 12: Mitch Trubisky (second), Patrick Mahomes (10th) and Watson (12th). It’s worth noting that the Chiefs' general manager who engineered the trade up to get Mahomes was John Dorsey, the man now in charge of the Browns' front office. And it’s also worth noting that Dorsey and coach Hue Jackson both liked Mahomes. Dorsey has conceded that the NFL is a quarterback-driven league, and his top priority is finding the team’s quarterback(s). The importance of the position precludes another position being selected, or a trade down lower than the No. 2 pick.

Editor’s note: CBSSports' list originally was incorrectly attributed to Dane Brugler, but has been fixed.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...top-of-the-list

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I think you haven't even really watched him to say he is like Weeden. C'mon man every strong armed QB is not Weeden. Mason actually gets rid of the ball quick and is much more accurate. It's not even close to being the same.

Your both wrong.

Mason Rudolph finished the season with the season with 65% completion percentage

Josh Rosen finished the season with 62.6% completion percentage.

but somehow the guy with the better numbers has accuracy issues? You guys crack me up. They are BOTH accurate passers in general.

Not only that BUT Mason passed more against AP ranked teams too.

Mason:
116 completions vs 192 attempts, 1789 yards, 60.4%, 9.32 Yard per attempt, 86 yard longest pass, 15 TD to 5 int, 11 sacks, 159.3 QBR

Rosen:
44 completions vs 73 attempts, 514 yards, 60.3%, 7.04 Yard per attempt, 43 yard longest pass, 4 TD to 1 int, 8 sacks, 134.8 QBR

So in short, against top level teams Mason played more often and way outperformed Rosen. Mason also added 10 rushing TDs vs Rosen's 2.

So please save the nonsense about Mason having accuracy issues when in reality he doesn't. If you don't care enough to watch the guy fine but don't sit there and make up stuff.

He doesn't hold the ball forever like other big armed QBs

http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/pro-fo...JLcwwQN5rrk9FM/

Just for fun =P

http://www.espn.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/120245/oklahoma-state-qb-mason-rudolph-throws-to-jet-ski

Those numbers are really eye-catchers! Is he already in an NFL-styled offense?

Using completion percentage to compare who has the better accuracy is lunacy when one guy played in a Spread offense and the other guy played in a pro-style offense.

We have heard about all of these accurate qbs in college and then saw what they did in the pros. Didn't Colt McCoy have the highest completion percentage of all-time?

I agree. The offense a QB is in can make statistics look good but not tell the whole story. I tend to not go by statistics more now than I used to back several years ago. I am amazed that even in the NFL a QB can throw for 300 yards and complete 65% of their passes and only put 13 points on the board. I tend to go by what I see not what I read. In the end, how a QB plays under pressure and how often does he win paints a better picture. Does he elevate the players around him?

I tend to rely more on what I see than statistics as well. That being said there are a few statistics that are reliable as markers for QB talent. One is completion percentage and it has to be 60% or higher and get better from year one to the time they leave. The second one is Yards per pass. This one indicates a lot on whether they dink and dunk or they truly get the ball down the field. I've seen him throw a 60 yard bomb that hit the guy in stride like it was nothing. You will never see that from Josh.

Josh also played a much weaker schedule as far as, playing ap ranked teams goes and could not lift the team on his back to grab those wins. I don't know if its fair to compare that or not but I have a gut reaction that says there will be problems with him.

Also I don't think the system matters that much. They are not playing that system against NFL game speed or players so all comparisons are useless in that regard. It's impossible to know how they will make the leap to the faster game tempo and smaller room for mistakes. Therefore you have to look at technique and ball placement.

I'm batting around 80% right now so I think I am doing pretty good at picking out QBs

Another thing to consider is that Okie St had one of the best Wr corps in college football

And yet Rudolph is the school record holder ... surpassing Weeden and passing for the most yards in college football ... PERIOD.

There is a huge difference between rudolf and weeden. Rudolf gets rid of the ball fast, makes multiple reads, and has some actual mobility with his 10 rushing tds this year. They are NOTHING alike except having strong arms. Seriously, just stop.

I was not a big fan of Weeden in college either because he held unto the ball too long and didn't change his initial reads much. I don't normally compare college to college but look for traits that transition from college to the pros. I only pulled out the stat comparisons because people are being ridiculous and saying Rudolph is in accurate when he even has the higher completion percentage even though he goes deep with the ball more than twice the other guys and that is a much, much harder pass to complete.

Do you really see a strong arm? I think his arm is plenty good enough and while the kid throws a great deep ball IDK if his arm is elite. As for everything else I like the kid as much as you do.

Glad to hear it dean =)

I don't think he will be touted at the strongest arm in the NFL but I have seen him through it 60 yards through the air and land it in stride to the WR. That is pretty rare and special. He has between 40 and 50% accuracy on balls that travel over 20 yards in the air. That is incredible. He can throw a TD any time he throws a pass. His mail marys are not prayers on a wing. They are a legit pass that could win games. That kind of passing ability will always make the run game easier because when they stack it he will burn them.

See I can just tell you haven't really watched him any just from the way your talking. The guy your talking up has a lower completion % but he is the more accurate QB in your eyes. That kind of logic says all anyone needs to know.

My point is there is a disconnect from what your fed from the media and the reality of the player. The reality is that Mason is a quick thinking QB with great vision who progresses through reads quickly and then delivers the ball accurately at 65% which is higher than both darnold 63% and rosen 62%.

One thing I like about Sam Darnold is that he also has great accuracy on 3rd on and long. He also has a nice ypa rating too. Still he has a lot less experience and didn't progress this past season like we all hoped he would. Mason to me is the far safer pick because he has shown great playmaking over a much longer period of time. Still I like Sam because he always improves his play when he is fighting tougher opponents which shows great mental toughness in my book.

Rosen didn't play enough meaningful competition to really say one way or the other but the limited games he did his performance dropped a good bit. I hate to draw any kind of conclusion from it other than to say it's worrisome that he didn't play all that many great teams yet is hyped so much.

And don't worry we both know you haven't watched enough film on mason yet for your insult to mean much. Your just tooting the media's horn. After all these years I can tell when your going on your own opinion and when your being lazy and just saying what you heard the media say. It's OK. I don't mind. There is a reason I made this thread to begin with and that was to expose more people to something other than the garbage the media is pushing on everyone.

I'm usually right about QBs. I strongly suggest folks watch more video on the kid and watch him objectively instead of with the bias the media is feeding you.

What progressions?

When you watch him play you will see him scanning the field all the time. It's why he spreads the ball all over the field pretty evenly vs favoring one side strongly. It something I always look for in any QB I choose to say I like.

You know Mason was playing with an injured shoulder in the OK vs OK game right? Yet Mason against the 3 seed team still threw 5 tds vs 2 int the same as Mayfield. I think it's pretty amazing to play through an injury like that and put those kind of numbers up.

Justice Hill was pretty amazing that game too.

Rudolph will likely be a back-up at the next level.

He might start as one but he won't stay as one. He is better than at least 10 NFL team's current starters at the least already.

Oklahoma State QB Mason Rudolph will miss the Senior Bowl due to a left foot sprain.

That's the bad news. The good news is that the injury does not require surgery and will heal with rest. Despite the injury, Rudolph will attend the event for the purposes of taking measurements and conducting team interviews. It's an unfortunate turn of events for a polarizing prospect who conceivably could have shot up boards with a huge week. The 6-foot-5, 230-pounder is tremendous with the deep ball but can maddeningly struggle with accuracy to the intermediate sector of the field. Rudolph was a wildly prolific collegiate quarterback, throwing for 13,618 yards with a 92/26 TD/INT rate on 63.2 percent completions.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Jan 17 - 9:22 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

LOL............his best attribute is his size and he will still get that recorded. Dude is inaccurate. I don't like inaccurate qbs, and I don't care if they are pocket passers like him or dual option qbs like Lamar.

I do not like inaccurate qbs.

What do you consider inaccurate? Mason has a career college comp% of 63.5%. For comparison, Tom Brady had a 62% completion rate. Granted that doesn't take into account degree of difficulty.

I don't think completion percentage is a great way to measure accuracy. Sometimes a QB may have some great receivers who make great catches and that inflates the completion percentage. That, and some other factors, could cause completion percentage to misrepresent what a QBs accuracy actually is.

I would say the best way to find out if a QB is accurate to watch him play. If he regularly hits receivers in stride, doesn't cause them to strain for the ball, makes passes on time, etc. then he can be considered accurate.

I am NOT saying this in a hostile way, Excel.........but all kinds of Big 12 qbs have had insane completion percentages. They don't play much D in that league and they run spread offenses w/a ton of WR screens and one read throws. I believe that Colt McCoy had the highest collegiate completion ever......and well...

I see accuracy as guys who can fit balls into tight windows. Guys who can lead receivers into yards after the catch.

It's funny how a guy with the MORE passing yards, more actual completions, and better completion percentage than darnold or Rosen is somehow an inaccurate passer... Nevermind that he has almost double the completion percentage on the harder and more difficult passes of over 20 plus yards in the air.

I can handle a bad throw here and there when any given throw could be a TD. Especially considering that is one of the most important throws to Hue. I get that you guys like Rosen. I do too but he DOESN'T FIT our system. The only way Rosen is a Brown is if they blow the team up again which I really don't want to see. I'd rather Hue get a QB that actually works with his offense.

In college, the windows are huge to enormous. A guy can complete a lot of passes, without being very accurate.

For example, in 2017, JT Barrett completed almost 65% of his passes, for 35 TD and only 9 INT.Why isn't he in the discussion for the #1 overall pick? Because he is not accurate enough to be a quality starting NFL QB.

I have watched Mason enough to see you can complete passes just fine in the NFL. Certainly more accurate than darnald but everyone is fine with him so go figure.

CBS Sports names Mason Rudolph top draft quarterback

CBS Sports has a different top quarterback option.
Josh Edwards - 23 hours ago

Most outlets consider USC's Sam Darnold or UCLA's Josh Rosen to be the top quarterback available in the 2018 NFL Draft.

According to CBS Sports , the top quarterback right now, in their opinion, is Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph.

Rudolph is ranked No. 10 overall. N.C. State defensive end Bradley Chubb, Florida State safety Derwin James and Notre Dame offensive guard Quenton Nelson are the top three rated prospects in that order. There are three other quarterbacks with first round grades: Louisville's Lamar Jackson (No. 12 overall), UCLA's Josh Rosen (No. 17 overall) and USC's Sam Darnold (No. 21 overall).

Rudolph, a South Carolina native, competed 318-of-489 passes this season for 4,904 yards, 37 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He had 61 carries for 35 yards and ten touchdowns. College statistics include sack losses in rushing totals.

The Cleveland Browns and New York Giants hold the first two selections in the draft.

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