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I still have nightmares about the play when we were all standing around on defense while the Bengals were lined up and ready to go. With our defense still standing around trying to get their ducks in a row, Gradkowski threw a pass to a wide open, uncontested AJ Green. For shame. I knew then we were in for a long ride.
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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports Eagles QBs coach John DeFilippo is expected to get a second interview for the Cardinals' head coaching vacancy.
DeFilippo is also thought to be Panthers DC Steve Wilks' top choice for an offensive coordinator if he lands a lead job, but DeFilippo remains in the running in Arizona himself. DeFilippo did surprisingly well as the Browns' coordinator in 2015 and has played a large role in Carson Wentz's development. It is only a matter of time until he lands a head coaching job.
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach.
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I really didn't like Pat when he was our HC, but I still wish him luck and hope his time here helped him because it didn't help the Browns.
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach. It's a damn shame he wasn't more experienced at the time, otherwise he might have been a legitimate coaching candidate. Seems to be a running history for the Browns - The likes of Flip and Shanahan given the opportunity too early, but going on to be legitimate head coaching candidates only a few years later. Flip did a lot with a little. The same is true for Shanahan; Admittedly, I feel his smug attitude rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in Cleveland.
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I'd be real happy with Flip as our OC going into this next year. He's HC material.
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I am going to have to say POOR Giants. When Pat was being considered for the HC job here I was told he was a good teacher. When I pressed both people (who both played for him in the NFL) I still got the same answer He is a good teacher. IMO he is a good Coach, but not a good Head Coach. Ya .. i’m sure he learned nothing from his time here as HC and has since learned nothing about being a HC and what it takes to succeed ...  ... I have no clue if he will be good or not ... what i do know is he’s a smart guy, he learned while here, question is did he learn enough ... but to write him off as a FAILURE before we see what he’s EVOLVED in to ....  .. I agree. Every stop is a learning experience. I am sure after he was let go by the Browns, the last few years have given him insight on where he would have done things differently. He may prove to be a idiot, or maybe he has grown as a coach. Just as players can get better with experience, so can a coach. I wish him well.
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach. Weren't the Browns 3 and 13 that year and didn't they run the ball even less than this year's team?
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach. Weren't the Browns 3 and 13 that year and didn't they run the ball even less than this year's team? If he had gone 0-16 he'd be OK?
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach. Weren't the Browns 3 and 13 that year and didn't they run the ball even less than this year's team? If he had gone 0-16 he'd be OK? I am not going to fight w/you, Vambo.
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Was he fired or did he want to leave? (David Lee)
Vers...Zampese was Hue Jackson's QB Coach in 2015. The turnaround season for Dalton. So they work well together, I think its a great hire not that I thought Lee did a bad job.
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I think Lee was fired. I really liked what he had to say this off-season and what his qbs said about him and Hue. I am disappointed we fired Lee. He seemed like a bright guy to me who really focused on mechanics.
I'm really big on mechanics. Lee seemed to be the same way.
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I think if you dig down hard enough the majority if not all QB Coaches in the NFL are big on mechanics. Not just you and me.
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I think Lee was fired. I really liked what he had to say this off-season and what his qbs said about him and Hue. I am disappointed we fired Lee. He seemed like a bright guy to me who really focused on mechanics.
I'm really big on mechanics. Lee seemed to be the same way. Agreed, Although I really didn't hear enough from him to form an opinion. The QB coach does most of his work with the QB's that aren't starting though. It's really hard to work on fundamentals with a QB working on the game plan. The other QB's can be taken aside and ran through drills. It's hard to pin anything about Kizer on Lee with only one season. Most of what Lee could do to help him would happen in the off-season.
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I do think Kizer's lower body mechanics improved dramatically from when he was in college.
He didn't open his lead foot nearly as much [but, still too much] and the back leg kick was not as prevalent.
I am not positive, but I think that Kize might just be one of those inaccurate guys like tab says he is. I'll give him more time, but dang, some of those throws.
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I thought his mechanics were initially a little better in the beginning of the season and got worse as the season went on.
That is understandable as the kid was just in over his head and had too many things to think about and work on.
I get the impression from Kizer that he is willing to put in some hard work to improve, so an improvement in his mechanics this preseason (or lack thereof) will be very telling about his future.
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Hmmmm..........I think his mechanics were certainly better this year than they were in college. I think he started off the season w/better mechanics and then regressed. I think you and I both predicted that would happen because he was thrust into the starting role before he was ready. However, I do think he showed some improvement w/his base alignment later in the year. It was all about him squaring to the target rather than opening up.
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Hmmmm..........I think his mechanics were certainly better this year than they were in college. I think he started off the season w/better mechanics and then regressed. I think you and I both predicted that would happen because he was thrust into the starting role before he was ready. However, I do think he showed some improvement w/his base alignment later in the year. It was all about him squaring to the target rather than opening up. No, I think we agree. I think he also did a better job early in the season of not taking such long strides, but that broke down a bit as well. That had a lot to do with his foot opening up as well. He had so many different things he needed to work on mechanically, I think he would have been farther along if he had not been the starter and was more able to focus on those things.
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No doubt and I think that is one thing you and I both agreed on before the season.
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Me too. I think that he took a lot of undeserved abuse when he was here. I think that he's a high quality coach, and that he'll do well as a head coach. Weren't the Browns 3 and 13 that year and didn't they run the ball even less than this year's team? His QBs were Josh McCown, Austin Davis, and Johnny Manziel, and somehow he got 20 TD against 12 INT out of them. . He had to tear up the offense in order to accommodate Manziel's abilities. (and then Manziel's stupidity at the end of the season)
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I think Lee was fired. I really liked what he had to say this off-season and what his qbs said about him and Hue. I am disappointed we fired Lee. He seemed like a bright guy to me who really focused on mechanics.
I'm really big on mechanics. Lee seemed to be the same way. I wonder if his dismissal had something to do with the inconsistencies, even decline of Kizer's mechanics. He went from looking like a super star in preseason and the first game, to looking like he didn't know how or where to throw the ball, then toward the end of the season he had good games, bad games, and good games where he not only made bad decisions, but threw bad passes because because of poor mechanics. I also wonder if Zampese isn't here because of his work with Palmer & Warner. His dad Ernie helped design the Air Coryell system so he's intimately familiar with Hue's system, and he was Offensive Assistant, WRs Coach, and Passing Game Coordinator under Martz' "Greatest show on turf" era. I'm still thinking relating Lee with Zampese is an upgrade.
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If Lee was fired because of Kizer's mechanics, he probably shouldn't have been. There is only so much a coach can do with a player that is studying the game plan every week. Zampese is probably an upgrade for the job though.
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Yeah, I get that. It's just interesting how wildly inconsistent he was. At time he actually looked like two different QBs. 
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already Isn't he already employed?
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already Isn't he already employed? no, he was let go when gruden got hired doh, nevermind, i didn't realize houston snagged him
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already Isn't he already employed? no, he was let go when gruden got hired doh, nevermind, i didn't realize houston snagged him Son of a--!!
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already Isn't he already employed? no, he was let go when gruden got hired doh, nevermind, i didn't realize houston snagged him Son of a--!! hmm. He's not on the Texans official page. Only ref is on wiki which anyone could have done...maybe he's still available? I just saw an article from pluto from today and he mentions seely too.. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...ncart_big-photo
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Seely was the man... let's bring back Dawson while we're at it. :-p
I'm slowly warming up to Zampese. It's hard to get past the story of his quick yank earlier this season. He did do some good as a QB coach. Let's make sure we hire an OC to keep him where he's a positive.
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I'm surprised we haven't hired Seely back already Isn't he already employed? no, he was let go when gruden got hired doh, nevermind, i didn't realize houston snagged him Son of a--!! hmm. He's not on the Texans official page. Only ref is on wiki which anyone could have done...maybe he's still available? I just saw an article from pluto from today and he mentions seely too.. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...ncart_big-photo That's where I saw he was available, then I saw here he wasn't then saw the Wiki page. But maybe you're right, I can't find any other news on him. If he's available, we need to sign him today!
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Hm. I thought Haley did a decent job. I thought the miscues this weekend were on Ben & Tomlin. Guess you can't let them walk... Or can you... 
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My guess is that the Steelers promote Mike Munchak to offensive coordinator. You very well could be correct . . . Report: Mike Munchak won't interview with Cardinals again Posted by Josh Alper on January 17, 2018, 10:10 AM EST Tuesday’s updates on the Cardinals’ coaching search involved word that the team wanted to schedule second interviews with Steelers offensive line coach Mike Munchak and Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, but at least one of those candidates is reportedly passing on the opportunity. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that Munchak has declined the opportunity to speak to the Cardinals again. There’s no reason cited for Munchak’s decision, although it’s not unreasonable to think the prospect of a change at offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh could be a factor. Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported on Tuesday that “as of now” DeFilippo is expected to interview with the Cardinals again. Mortensen adds that Patriots linebackers coach Brian Flores is “now in play.” If he’s going to interview with Arizona again, he will be eligible to do it next week whether the Patriots win or lose on Sunday. The same is true for DeFilippo and any other candidates from the four teams still playing.
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Hm. I thought Haley did a decent job. I thought the miscues this weekend were on Ben & Tomlin. Guess you can't let them walk... Or can you... I think Todd Haley is a good offensive coordinator. I also think he is a weirdo who rubs people the wrong way.
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I guess Seeley is a "free agent". Cleveland Browns need these coaches -- Terry Pluto (video) | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/01/cleveland_browns_need_these_co.html#incart_m-rpt-1CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Two names for the Cleveland Browns. Brad Seely Mike Mularkey Those two coaches are on the open market. The Browns desperately need an ELITE special teams coach. The 61-year-old Seely has been an NFL special teams coach since 1989. He spent the last three years with the Oakland Raiders. Seely was replaced when Jon Gruden took over the Raiders and brought in his own coaches. That could be a huge break for the Browns. Seely was with the Browns in 2009-10. The Browns had tremendous special teams. He worked for Eric Mangini, who made him "Associated Head Coach" as a way of prying him from the New England Patriots. In his Browns contract, he had clause allowing him to leave if Mangini were fired. That happened after 2010. Seely went to San Francisco, and later Oakland. Mangini told me that Seely could be a head coach. His experience is perfect for the Browns. I could bury you in stats about Seely. But the bottom line is consistently good-to-excellent special teams. Bring him in! THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR Mike Mularkey is a fascinating candidate. He was fired after Tennessee had a 9-7 record. The Titans made the playoffs, he won a postseason game over Kansas City. They were blown out in the next round by New England. The Titans had back-to-back 9-7 seasons with Mularkey. The Titans thought he could have done more to develop young quarterback Marcus Mariota. Maybe there is some truth to that. But the Titans were 9-7 in 2011. In the next four years, they had an 18-46 record. Then came those back-to-back 9-7 seasons. My guess is Mularkey suffered from rising expectations. He was good, but not good enough. My thought is he's an experienced coach. He was a head coach in Buffalo and Jacksonville prior to the Titans. He was an offensive coordinator for Pittsburgh (2001-03) and Miami (2006). Jackson desperately needs an offensive coordinator to run the meetings, set up game plans and to be very capable of calling plays. With the Titans, Terry Robiskie (a former Browns coach) called the plays. Obviously, Mularkey is capable of doing so. It seems pretty simple -- give Mularkey a shot with the Browns. I do admit there is a bit of a concern because Mariota has not developed as fast as projected. Maybe the Browns can find a better candidate for offensive coordinator, but it won't be easy. Former Giants Coach Ben McAdoo has interviewed with the Browns. He was a tight ends coach in Green Bay from 2006-11. Current Browns General Manager John Dorsey also was with the packers during that time. He was an offensive coordinator for two years (2014-15) with the Giants. Then he was promoted to head coach. Under his watch, the offense went from 28th in scoring to 13th and then 6th. He was 11-5 as a rookie head coach in 2016. He was fired after a 2-10 start this season. McAdoo or Mularkey? I tend to prefer Mularkey. But I'm really not positive what is the best move. As for Seely, invite him to Berea, sit him down and don't let him leave without signing a contract.
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Hiring someone like Brad Seely would be a boon for the team.
My guess is that he has not been hired yet because he is waiting for Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels to fill out their staffs. I'd bet he ends up with one of them.
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Talk about, potentially, falling up: Kirby Wilson, RB coach under Tomlin his first 7 seasons with Steelers, is another candidate to replace Todd Haley as OC. https://twitter.com/EdBouchette/status/953696596998356992
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