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That's why I said it was both Hue and Sashi.

If Hue had chosen Osweiler to start over Kizer, things would have been different this season. Once Hue said it was Kizer, Osweiler was shown the door. Same with McCown. Hue didn't want McCown, tried to keep him as coach but Josh wanted to play.

Somebody traded BO. Who said that it was Hues idea to cut McCown?

I'll tell you who. A few posters on this message board.

Not addressed to me but yup, certainly a legit case or 3 for firing him. Ain't no bout-a-doubt it.

There's imo also a legit case or 3 for keeping him.

For not keeping him.
1. 1-31
2. 1-31
3. 1-31

For keeping him.
1. Did he really have any say-so at all in the final roster, or when giving his opinion was he just given a hammer and a salt shaker and told to "go pound salt"?
2. Back in the day, how many wins did the college all stars have against the pro teams in the annual All Stars vs Pro team game?
3. Something along the lines of "hey, lets wash, rinse, and repeat" just baffles my mind.

And please, rest assured I'm not a Hue fan OR a Hue hater.

I personally think, to show SOME FORM OF CONSISTENCY, it was the best thing to do. New HC's generally mean new O and D systems which in turn relegate players that fit best in a certain system at times fitting 2nd or 3rd best into the new systems being brought in. Hence, wash, rinse, repeat.

Now all Hue has to do is, according to some posters, win 7 games with quite possibly a younger roster in 2018 than 2017's youngest roster.

I can't recall if, before the yearly College All Stars vs a Pro team, there was ever a yearly "High School All Stars vs a Pro Team and/or how they fared.

Anyone recall?

And finally, if they fire/fired Hue, what quality candidate of sound mind and body would remotely give a thought to coming here for a year and half, give or take?

Jmho........

You think he gets a whole year, Pit, if he doesn't start winning right away?

I have never seen a case where firing a HC mid season and appointing an interim HC has been a fruitful or productive idea. It's not like there is anyone available to fill the HC vacancy.

If nothing else, it will show every HC candidate out there that Haslam will actually stick with a HC for three years. Something I'm pretty sure crosses every coaching candidates mind when they interview here.

The only way is if the players revolt.

I think they'll have to go into the season looking at this as a fresh start and as if we just hired Hue this year. I don't think 0-4 gets him fired. I don't even know if 0-8 gets him fired, but it would be hard to keep him around with that effort.

Hiring an OC will likely change the "no interim" issue. I hope he gets a couple wins early to take the pressure off. I don't think he'll get much rope.

Thanks Pitt ... i’ll Reply later today or tommorow ...

This is gettting some interesting responses and i want to let this marinate a little more and see who else wanders in and shares there thoughts on this before i chime in ...

Thanks again ... appreciatte it ..

Thank u sir ... appreciatte your reply ...

Thanks for your role in completely hijacking the thread. You guys can have it. I'll bow out.

So, if seven wins is outlandish, what do you want?

Let me guess, the fans are haters if we don't stand by Jackson at 3-45 because the team is young?

I'm stunned that people love him so deeply at 1-31, but it's even more stunning that people are already setting up for why an awful 2018 is defensible.

Hue Jackson had had two years. A bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players should be a strength, not a weakness. The Browns will undoubtedly have signed some veterans in the offseason, and at lot of the rookies will be highly drafted.

There is no excuse for losing. 7-9 is damn lenient, if we're honest.

I'm wondering who all of these people are that "love him so deeply"?

I've heard people say give him another year. I've heard people defend against some of the outlandish claims that some have made. I've heard some people say that it's time that Haslam actually give a HC three years. But through all of that, I've never heard some great love for Hue.

I didn't like seeing Sashi fired. I think between the two, he and Hue, Hue deserved the axe more. However, now that it's all done and Dorsey is here I also like the way things are shaping up. Hue won't have many excuses for a weak season next year. I think this team had enough talent to win this year but we had a rookie QB. Fix the QB situation and we should be a much better team imho.

Fixing the QB situation doesn't necessarily mean we have to give up on Kizer OR draft a QB at #1 or #4. Rosen and Darnold are good prospects, Mayfield, Allen, and several others look good too. It might be wiser this year to get say McCarron or Smith and use the two first rounders on Saquon Barkley and Minkah Fitzpatrick or Bradley Chubb. These guys would be safer bets that high in the draft imho.

I personally think Rosen is the best QB prospect BUT he doesn't want to be here so I really don't want him here.

Rosen has never said that, ever.

Good points. I kind of wish we could have had Sashi AND Dorsey together. I suspect Dorsey is that football guy who has a better sense of when to pull the trigger to get certain players, but Sashi knew how to work the Draft and get some sick returns when exchanging picks. He may never be the final word on a roster again, but I have no doubt he'll be back in the NFL again. And when you look at many of the young guys brought in during his tenure, many of them have shown to be on an upward trend with their development. Glaring hole is the WR room, but I would suggest analytics gave credence to the "productive WR's are a dime a dozen" belief some Dagws have expressed. It just sucks that Sashi's mom never taught him to make sure the eggs in the carton weren't broken before he bought them lol

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/...and-commits-him

I think this is slightly overblown. Rosen and Darnold were said to be against entering the draft because they didn't want to go to Cleveland, yet both entered the draft knowing there is a 90% chance that one of them will indeed be in Cleveland.

Seems more like the standard media nonsense of stirring up negativity towards the Browns. The mean streets of the internet are rough. Even Terry freaking Pluto made a video in which he actually questions if it was even worth it for the Browns to return.

Fun fact: I've never met someone named Terry who I like. Seems parents only name their child Terry if they know he's going to be awful.

Vers, you are a long time friend. I am not on a crusade to get Hue fired. I for one don't think my words here have any impact on Hue's employment.

Hue isn't going anywhere. I am aware of that. I just don't like what I see.


Last year he canned all the defensive coaches, and we made improvements on that side of the ball.

This year he canned all the other coaches. Hopefully we make improvements on that side of the ball.


We start winning and start to look like a well coached team, Hue will be my best buddy.

And yet again, not a single quote from Rosen to base that on. And even with Cleveland having the #1 and #4 pick, he declared for the draft.

No kidding. You guys need to put this BS to sleep and stop trying to read between the lines. You're not good at it.

Just the FACT they both declared should be enough for the average intelligent person. We'll, maybe not.

One of them is going to be a Brown.

And for the first time since 1999 we're actually going to have a REAL QB to work with. None of this Mid 1st Round POS stuff for once.

All I remember him saying was something about being in the right situation. No big deal.

He declared knowing we have the first pick and there will be a good chance we draft him.

Unless they're not. I keep reading a lot of noise about Mayfield & Allen. I hope you're right. I pray they don't screw up this chance at a top QB yet again.

Some credit is due. Not a fan of Sashi's decisions. Certainly you are your record.

But Sashi and company came with a job to do. They stepped into it, took a new direction, and for the dumpster fire they were handed, he did achieve some things with picks and such. Just some real boneheaded stuff as well. But in a different setting, he might be a major piece of a puzzle.

I prefer the Dorsey option. Some people running this boat should stand aside and let it change direction immediately. Sashi and the goners were hardly the heart, soul, and extent of all that was wrong in Berea. Some of it was the roster choices handed to Hue. JMO

Mayfield is the best quarterback in the draft. We can't risk passing him up, he needs to be taken with our first pick.

You keep saying that. Doesn't make me believe it.

You don't have to believe it. As long as Dorsey knows we'll be fine.

What's going to happen when he breaks your heart?

I agree 100% ... 100% ... it goes both ways with the deceit and the made up BS .. U have EXTREMES on both sides ... hence why i asked the questions I did ... to try and find out what people ACTUALLY THINK as opposed to simply DEFENDING THEIR STANCE ...

All i would ask for is SOME HONESTY in these discussions ... this place is like our gov’t but instead of dems/repubs we have haters/lovers ... there’s VERY LITTLE TO NO TRUTH at all ... its all EXTREMES and like u said earlier on a lot of the issues like the QB room .. WE HAVE NO CLUE who decided what when it comes to the QB room .. NONE ... its all SPECUALTION ... but reading the board you’d think some on here were in the meeting rooms ... *L* ...

EVERYONE has blame in this ... EVERYONE ... i lay most of it at the thiefs feet but thats another discussion ..




AGAIN, agree 100% about the crap being made up ... AGAIN, the other side is no better ... i just read a post that said the play calling was good .... well thats BS .... if YOU’D like to discuss that with me RATIONALLY ... i’m game, let me know ...



No problem with that .. i said in a post a week or two ago ... were not going to be this bad forever and Hue getting a shot with a QB is FAIR ... IMO Hue proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he was a HORRIBLE COACH for this particular team ... we can discuss that aspect of it also if you’d like ...

this is one of those instances where i could make a GREAT ARGUMENT for either side ... BOTH SIDES have MERIT and GOOD POINTS .... but reading the board you’d think both sides were talking about two entirely different football teams and coaches their observations are so far apart ...

Mayfield is going to be good and I suspect Dorsey believes that as well.

Hue is an embarrassment to the City of Cleveland. 1-31.. LOL. Lots of folks in the sports media think that it is stupid to stick with this guy. Get a Sean McVay type. Go Browns!

Saying it over and over won't make it so.

You're not wrong, Diam... but we only have so much to go on.

The story about Hue wanting/not wanting Wentz... all we have is a "sourced" report right after the draft that said Hue didn't want to spend the high pick on him... and an MKC article a year later (bleh!) that said he wanted him. I choose to attempt to read between the lines believe the first article (more to do with my loathing of MKC and most of the Cleveland sport media, but that's another discussion). In the absence of hard facts, we are forced to interpret and fill in the gaps with opinion and supposition.

If we didn't do that, at this time of year, there would only be crickets in here.

I don't blame people that partake in this back and forth bickering (except TONY), and I don't hold it against them either (except TONY). We could all use a deep breath and step back to help us be more civil towards each other, but the fact is our team is terrible, and has been for a long time. This ticks people off... and that's not an opinion. I don't think ill of people that are grumpy because their team is this bad.

I can't really disagree with a thing you said.

The only true evidence we have to go on is that Haslam, (Hey, I don't care for him either), knows everything that went on behind closed doors. Both Sashi and Hue reported directly to Haslam. From what I have been reading, he took that information and sought out some advice. After the people he sought advice from looked at all of those factors, it appears they thought Sashi was the biggest part of the problem.

That's what's gotten us to where we are now.

You're right, saying it doesn't make it so... The truth makes it so.

Wasn’t sure where to put this......


Steve Doerschuk
@sdoerschukREP
Back story won't fit in a Tweet. But ... One worries whether Jimmy Haslam's cash flow is sufficient to do what needs to be done.


Does anyone have any idea what this guy is talking about? I don’t really know who he is, all I could find was a sports writer.

I'm not sure where he gets that either. I really have no idea about his cash flow but he just signed a deal selling a part of Pilot Flying J to Warren Buffet with more being sold to Buffet over time. Considering that I would have to guess that Haslam is pretty flush with cash.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/money/bus...sale/726050001/

Yea, I have no idea, the reporter(assuming that he’s a reporter, don’t really know), posts there’s a back story to you but never posts the back story anywhere. I mean really? Who does that? Give us the whole story.

It's today's media. All you have to do is get 'clicks'. Make any accusation you want - no need for proof. Just get the 'clicks'. Get your name out there.

I was just wondering if there was something to it.