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Hue is an experienced playcaller. Why in the world would he give up calling plays to some newb just to do so. I can see him hiring and OC, teaching him the system so they are running HIS system and the players stay in the same system, and THEN letting that guy call plays after he has earned it.
I have no problem with that at all. So basically Hue lied...he had no intention of giving up play calling the Sean Ryan interview was a farce. If he wants to be the play caller he should give up the HC duties 1-31 proves he cannot do both. 
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Hue is an experienced playcaller. Why in the world would he give up calling plays to some newb just to do so. I can see him hiring and OC, teaching him the system so they are running HIS system and the players stay in the same system, and THEN letting that guy call plays after he has earned it.
I have no problem with that at all. +1 ... Hue’s ass ain’t in the hot seat, it’s on fire from week 1 next year ... NO WAY would I let someone whose never called plays come in and put my fate in there hands .... NO WAY ....
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I understand the point of view that you wouldn’t want to put your career in the hands of someone else like that, but while Hue has been known as a good playcaller by some(not sure I agree but that’s just my opinion and doesn’t matter), I have t seen it the last couple years here, at least not nearly enough. If that trend continues with no influx of at the very least Input from someone else, that could be the downfall. He looks willing to stake his job on himself and so far that hasn’t been pretty. So far it has looked like Hue needs help in this regard moving forward. And so far it hasn’t looked like he’s willing to accept any help. One interview for a position Hue himself has said he may need help with.
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We agree he needs help ... he doesn’t need someone with NO EXPERIENCE he has to TRAIN and TEACH not only his systems, language PLUS all the ins and outs and nuances of being a first time OC/PLAYCALLER .... I think we agree bro .... 
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It seems to me as if Hue wants to be the offensive coordinator for the Browns rather than our Head Coach. I think that is a major problem.
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Can you imagine the pressure on Hue to win early next year?
What if the Browns lose the opener and then have to travel to Pittsburgh or New Orleans?
6 of our 8 home opponents next year had winning records this year.
With each loss the pressure is going to be more and more intense and that's not fair to anyone.
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It seems to me as if Hue wants to be the offensive coordinator for the Browns rather than our Head Coach. I think that is a major problem. Thats another discussion ...
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Can you imagine the pressure on Hue to win early next year?
What if the Browns lose the opener and then have to travel to Pittsburgh or New Orleans?
6 of our 8 home opponents next year had winning records this year.
With each loss the pressure is going to be more and more intense and that's not fair to anyone. No, it's not. But it is the nature of the business. It comes with the territory. I expect that considering our schedule, it is going to be very difficult to get 2 or 3 early wins...
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I think we do agree, but if that’s the case, why even bring a Sean Ryan in? And why not bring at least someone else in for an interview. I know it’s still kinda early still, but Ryan definitely doesn’t fit. Which is why I don’t understand what exactly is going on.
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The character attacks continue. The unfairness continues. One poster said that Hue lied. I would like to see a link where Hue said he was going to give up play calling duties, please? I don't remember reading that. I remember reading he was open to considering hiring an OC. I could be wrong, but could someone please show us where he said he was "giving up the playcalling duties?" And if you can't, can you take back that he is a liar?
The constant attacks on Hue are a turnoff. It's like a bunch of spoiled kids who keep on crying until they get their way. Y'all say the same things over and over and over. We are going to scream, cry, stomp our feet until we get our way. It's not even fun to come here right now.
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Do we have confirmation that he jumped in Lake Erie yet?
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Do we have confirmation that he jumped in Lake Erie yet? When it happens, it will be easy to figure out. Fish will be found under buses everywhere in Cleveland.
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Do we have confirmation that he jumped in Lake Erie yet? 19Cleveland reports that Jackson took his swim in Lake Erie back in July. Wildlife experts found an insignificant, spineless create in Lake Erie. At this time the freshwater jellyfish do not appear to be an invasive species, meaning something that could grow to large numbers and damage the current eco-system in the lake, but that could change. "Impacts have not been documented. The freshwater jellyfish feeds on microorganisms in the water column, which means they are competing with other organisms that feed on the same sources. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/35957104/so-there-are-tiny-freshwater-jellyfish-in-lake-erieDoesn't appear to be something that could put up large numbers. No documented impact. Competition with other organisms. Feeding on sources. Yep. That's our guy.
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I usually like your posts, BDU. Not so much with this one...
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I usually like your posts, BDU. Not so much with this one... To each his own. I thought it was hilarious.
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Where are the quotes from Hue?
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Can you imagine the pressure on Hue to win early next year?
What if the Browns lose the opener and then have to travel to Pittsburgh or New Orleans?
6 of our 8 home opponents next year had winning records this year.
With each loss the pressure is going to be more and more intense and that's not fair to anyone. No, it's not. But it is the nature of the business. It comes with the territory. I expect that considering our schedule, it is going to be very difficult to get 2 or 3 early wins... I think the opposite, I think the pressure is going to be off, there will be little to no pressure to win early. It is the nature of the business, but if Hue has survived this far, 2 full years with 1 win, then I'll have to assume he has an indefinite contract, a lifetime contract. If you don't fire a HC who goes 0-16, when do you fire him? When he goes 4-12? NO. He's here to stay.
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Hue hasn't lost his magic. Now, I'm not a big Hue hater. I'm disappointed in how it looks like he handles his business but I have to ask...What magic? What has he done? Is it the magic he worked with Cincy because I don't see any. Maybe it's those playoff exits?
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Don’t know if you were replying to me or not....but my name is on your reply...... But where did I call anyone a liar? Where did I attack Hue? All I want to know is if it isn’t the plan for Hue to give up play calling, which is fine, if that’s the kind of OC he wants, ok, so I’ll ask again, then why bring in Sean Ryan, someone who wants to call plays, per what Bill O’Brien has stated? Why hasn’t another candidate been interviewed? None of this makes any sense.
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I wasn't replying to you.
Regarding the rest of your post. I guess they brought in Ryan because he is available and wanted to see if he was a good fit. I'm guessing Ryan wants to call his own plays and that killed the deal. I'm glad that we didn't hire him if that is the case.
I don't want an OC to call plays. I want Hue to call the plays.
I get that you want Hue fired and are making a huge deal out of every move that is made, but I don't want him fired and I am excited to see how this team progresses moving forward.
We disagree. That is not a big deal.
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I know hindsight is 20/20, but what if Ryan becomes the next great cordinator, it will have been another mistake by the Browns. But that is what it is. I’m not asking for Hue to be fired, I don’t like the guy, but I didn’t like him when we hired him and he hasn’t done anything to change my mind, but I also get and understand he will be here next season. I don’t like how he conducts himself in the interviews and don’t like what I’ve seen from him on the field, but that’s only my opinion, and doesn’t matter much, only to myself. I just want better for the Browns, we all do, which I felt he could have done with this roster, not a lot better but I see what Bowles did with the jets, and felt our roster was a least as talented as them if not(in my opinion) more talented. But I’m not gonna attack the guy cause I don’t like him. It’s fine if people do, at least to me, and it’s fine if people want to defend him. I just want answers as to what we are doing moving forward. I don’t think that’s to much to ask the organization as a fan. Not sure we’ll ever agree on Hue, but that fine. I respect your opinion on him staying. I just read a little nugget from Rappaport and Mary Kay Cabot, I know you don’t always believe them, but this seems a little interesting to me. Mike Mularky is an option for us as our OC. How do you feel about that? I gotta look into this a bit more but on first thought, I think this would be ok for me. I do think Hue would give up play calling to Mularky, he’s done it before. Link..... https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...y-113734758/Amphttps://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.cl...rowns_radar.amp
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I know hindsight is 20/20, but what if Ryan becomes the next great cordinator, it will have been another mistake by the Browns. But that is what it is. I’m not asking for Hue to be fired, I don’t like the guy, but I didn’t like him when we hired him and he hasn’t done anything to change my mind, but I also get and understand he will be here next season. I don’t like how he conducts himself in the interviews and don’t like what I’ve seen from him on the field, but that’s only my opinion, and doesn’t matter much, only to myself. I just want better for the Browns, we all do, which I felt he could have done with this roster, not a lot better but I see what Bowles did with the jets, and felt our roster was a least as talented as them if not(in my opinion) more talented. But I’m not gonna attack the guy cause I don’t like him. It’s fine if people do, at least to me, and it’s fine if people want to defend him. I just want answers as to what we are doing moving forward. I don’t think that’s to much to ask the organization as a fan. Not sure we’ll ever agree on Hue, but that fine. I respect your opinion on him staying. I just read a little nugget from Rappaport and Mary Kay Cabot, I know you don’t always believe them, but this seems a little interesting to me. Mike Mularky is an option for us as our OC. How do you feel about that? I gotta look into this a bit more but on first thought, I think this would be ok for me. I do think Hue would give up play calling to Mularky, he’s done it before. Link..... https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...y-113734758/Amphttps://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.cl...rowns_radar.amp I thought about that when I heard that he was fired.
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I don't want an OC to call plays. I want Hue to call the plays.
So hire a new HC and let Hue be OC win / win! Hue clearly can't do both even the new GM thinks he needs help unless you don't trust his opinion?
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I am still waiting for the quotes from Hue that he would hire someone to call plays. You even said he was a liar for not owning up to those statements.
That's a pretty strong indictment on a man's character. So, once again, will you please provide quotes from Hue that he is going to turn the playcalling duties over to someone else?
Thanks in advance.
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Don't hold your breath. Accuracy has never been a requirement of character assassinations.
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There are several posters not playing fair. The character assassinations are over the top.
I am also sick of the "throwing the players under the bus" comments that we read a dozen times a day. Did you hear what Zimmer had to say about Keenum? It was something like he was carrying a horseshoe around, meaning he was lucky. LOL. Gruden trashed Cousins and essentially put the 7 and 9 record on Kirk. And these guys must have loved coaches like Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Bill Parcells, etc.
I think that a lot of these guys were raised [and protected] by soccer moms. Kizer throws a couple of interceptions. Blame the head coach and give Kize a trophy. LOL
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Quite a fickle bunch. lol
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So Mularky goes to the playoffs and get fired while Hue lucks in to 1 win over 2 seasons and he is still a head coach. Go figure that. 
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I am still waiting for the quotes from Hue that he would hire someone to call plays. You even said he was a liar for not owning up to those statements.
That's a pretty strong indictment on a man's character. So, once again, will you please provide quotes from Hue that he is going to turn the playcalling duties over to someone else?
Thanks in advance. On if he would consider giving play-calling duties to a potential new offensive coordinator, depending on the individual: “Oh yeah, there is a possibility. I have said before that at some point in time I would like to do differently because I think it is important to coach the team. Now that I truly understand the situation and have been through it and have looked at it… Again, I did not want to put that pressure on somebody else early in this situation. Now knowing, now seeing and now truly believing in that the team is going to take a step forward, I think everything is on the table.” On if it may have potentially been too much responsibility to take on all of the duties as head coach, offensive coordinator and offensive play caller: “It could have been too much. When you look back, there are all kind of decisions that you could say, ‘Man, I wish I would have done this differently.’ I don’t regret [not] putting somebody in a situation to not be successful. I just don’t believe in that. I believe I got this job because I was very good at what I did, which was call plays. Obviously, that hasn’t been the case here that way. I just think it would have been somebody else’s issue, and I don’t think that would have been fair. I think as we move forward, it is something I will really think through of what is best for the team and what is best for the organization. If that is what it is, that is what it is.” http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...f8-da0cce2f3c79
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So what is he "lying" about?
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So Mularky goes to the playoffs and get fired while Hue lucks in to 1 win over 2 seasons and he is still a head coach. Go figure that. The owners forced a newly hired GM to keep Mularkey. Shockingly it didn't work out.
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One team purposely blew up their roster and admitted they were going to lose a ton of games over the first couple of years. The other tried to improve their roster. Yet, some posters wanna compare their records.
Go figure.
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One team purposely blew up their roster and admitted they were going to lose a ton of games over the first couple of years. The other tried to improve their roster. Yet, some posters wanna compare their records.
Go figure. I really wasn't trying to do that. It's a strange game where results mean different things to different people.
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I don't want an OC to call plays. I want Hue to call the plays. Here is a question, What quarterback, any in the world, do you see Hue giving those plays to, where they are going to have success in 2018, or, do you figure wait on success the 2018 season being another of no winning expectations because development will take more time?
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Why are you ignoring history? Hue Jackson had success w/Palmer, Dalton, Flacco, and even Jason Campbell. All of those guys had their best years under Hue's tutelage.
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Why are you ignoring history? Hue Jackson had success w/Palmer, Dalton, Flacco, and even Jason Campbell. All of those guys had their best years under Hue's tutelage.
WRONG! Palmer played 1 year under Hue, 2011, and it was one of the worst of his career. Dalton threw for his most yards and TDs the year before Hue took over with Jay Gruden as his OC Hue was Flacco's QB coach in 2008 and 2009 and Flacco has had better years since then in fact his best year was 2010 with Jim Zorn as his QB coach. Jason Campbell's best years were in Washington in 2008 and 2009.
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Considering the Titans roster, only a moron would have fired Mularkey. And one did.
They'll be lucky to get a HC to get more out of this team as long as he's saddled with Mariota at QB.
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