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This is before cuts, so the list would grow. Also, I think a good portion will simply retire too.

Something to start thinking about I suppose though.


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Here is a link to free agents:

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

It'll probably be easier to look at that then sift through all these names.

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I didn’t see Ju’Wan James on there, isn’t he a free agent or did he resign at some point?

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Originally Posted By: Punchsmack
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Tight Ends
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Chris Gragg (27)


oh, snap... we GOTTA sign this guy! smile

(some of you will get it)


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Here is a link to free agents:

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

It'll probably be easier to look at that then sift through all these names.


Yeah, I was going to post a link, but I know some want to read names here too. Either way, we can discuss them here.


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So is Chase Daniel being a FA and Dorsey mentioning him in an interview just a coincidence?

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Originally Posted By: bg819
So is Chase Daniel being a FA and Dorsey mentioning him in an interview just a coincidence?


Dear 8 lb 7 ounce, never-spoken-a-word, Baby Jesus I hope not!

and, the fact that he believes Chase is a good QB worthy of being mentioned the way he was concerns me GREATLY.


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you guys left out johnny smile

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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Originally Posted By: Punchsmack
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Tight Ends
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Chris Gragg (27)


oh, snap... we GOTTA sign this guy! smile

(some of you will get it)


No way. The Gragg part is OK, but everyone knows you just can't trust a Chris.

(Some will get that part too) wink


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It'll be interesting to what kinds of guys we sign. If we go after A.J. McCarron, Trumaine Johnson, Jeremy Hill, and/or LaMarcus Joyner I think it will be clear that the coaching staff is having a big influence. If we go after Morgan Burnett, Davon House, and/or De'Anthony Thomas types I think it will be clear that the front office has a bigger influence. I'm just hoping for the best guys possible no matter their background.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
It'll be interesting to what kinds of guys we sign. If we go after A.J. McCarron, Trumaine Johnson, Jeremy Hill, and/or LaMarcus Joyner I think it will be clear that the coaching staff is having a big influence. If we go after Morgan Burnett, Davon House, and/or De'Anthony Thomas types I think it will be clear that the front office has a bigger influence. I'm just hoping for the best guys possible no matter their background.


Or maybe we will get a combination of both as well as players that don't have any ties to either the FO or coaching staff. Perhaps we will actually have a FO and coaching staff that is willing to work together.

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Like signing Kevin Zeitler & RG3.


Tackles are tackles.
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Andrew Hawkins, when asked "as a player hitting FA for the first time or 2nd can you rank importance....Money, coach and players, record of the team, family"

https://twitter.com/Nubetoriuos/status/955868732622016514

His answer:

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1. Money
2. Money
3. Money
4. Money
5. How the coach plans to help you make more money in the next contract.


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Report: Browns, Jets monitoring Jarvis Landry's situation

Could a star wide receiver change teams this year?

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...ation-114223947

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we were reportedly interested in Landry at the trade deadline, so this would be a good signing


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Not a fan of Landry, per se. Seeing the talent at WR in the draft this year I wouldn't waste my time signing a FA unless we are trading away Gordon.

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Getting Landry would be huge. The guy has very good hands, runs good routes, is physical, and runs well after the catch.

Our WR unit is pathetic and his talent, toughness, and experience would be a huge boost.

The tough thing is that it will be tough to sign him because we have lost for so long and Cleveland isn't exactly S. Beach.

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it's cool, but we already have a 5'11 WR on the squad that we used a first rounder on.

i'd prefer we get a big body WR and move coleman to the slot.


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Originally Posted By: devicedawg
Not a fan of Landry, per se. Seeing the talent at WR in the draft this year I wouldn't waste my time signing a FA unless we are trading away Gordon.


We shouldn't be using the draft to "fill holes". We should try to address everything we can in Free Agency, and then draft BPA in the draft.

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Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
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Not a fan of Landry, per se. Seeing the talent at WR in the draft this year I wouldn't waste my time signing a FA unless we are trading away Gordon.


We shouldn't be using the draft to "fill holes". We should try to address everything we can in Free Agency, and then draft BPA in the draft.



When we get to our 2nd round picks it's very possible the BPA are WR. And if we desperately need a WR in the draft, we could bundle picks and trade up. We aren't as desperate at WR as some think, but we do need some depth. Coleman and Gordon are studs.

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Every vet WR we sign just comes here for the money. I'm tired of highly paid vet WRs that are a joke day one.

Hell, sign us another Austin Davis. I don't recall paying him a ton, and he's played better than the likes of Bowe and Britt did combined. I do like we're looking though.

Coleman and Gordon are two unreliable assets. Most of the time they're not even suiting up for drug, injury and etc related problems.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
it's cool, but we already have a 5'11 WR on the squad that we used a first rounder on.

i'd prefer we get a big body WR and move coleman to the slot.


I'd rather sign Allen Robinson than Landry. Put him opposite Gordon, stick Coleman in the slot, and draft a big WR like Sutton, St. Brown, Tate, Simmie Cobb or even Marcel Ateman and see if he can work his way into the rotation. I'm tired of "smallish" receivers. I want big playmakers than can outrun, out jump, and win the 50/50 balls. We have speed and shiftiness in Duke & Coleman. I want hands, route running, physical size. In this scenario, WR wouldn't necessarily need to be a first or second round pick unless it was BPA at the time of the pick.

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it's cool, but we already have a 5'11 WR on the squad that we used a first rounder on.

i'd prefer we get a big body WR and move coleman to the slot.


I'd rather sign Allen Robinson than Landry. Put him opposite Gordon, stick Coleman in the slot, and draft a big WR like Sutton, St. Brown, Tate, Simmie Cobb or even Marcel Ateman and see if he can work his way into the rotation. I'm tired of "smallish" receivers. I want big playmakers than can outrun, out jump, and win the 50/50 balls. We have speed and shiftiness in Duke & Coleman. I want hands, route running, physical size. In this scenario, WR wouldn't necessarily need to be a first or second round pick unless it was BPA at the time of the pick.

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Robinson? Coming off an ACL tear? Nah.

We'd become STUD Like with Landry and say Simmie around Gordon and Coleman. I can't see how Ridley or Sutton last until 33.

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I'd rather sign Allen Robinson than Landry. Put him opposite Gordon, stick Coleman in the slot, and draft a big WR like Sutton, St. Brown, Tate, Simmie Cobb or even Marcel Ateman and see if he can work his way into the rotation.


I don't think Coleman will move to the slot. That's not really his skill-set. He's an outside receiver IMO.


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it's cool, but we already have a 5'11 WR on the squad that we used a first rounder on.

i'd prefer we get a big body WR and move coleman to the slot.


I'd rather sign Allen Robinson than Landry. Put him opposite Gordon, stick Coleman in the slot, and draft a big WR like Sutton, St. Brown, Tate, Simmie Cobb or even Marcel Ateman and see if he can work his way into the rotation. I'm tired of "smallish" receivers. I want big playmakers than can outrun, out jump, and win the 50/50 balls. We have speed and shiftiness in Duke & Coleman. I want hands, route running, physical size. In this scenario, WR wouldn't necessarily need to be a first or second round pick unless it with as BPA at the time of the pick.

JMHO


Robinson? Coming off an ACL tear? Nah.

We'd become STUD Like with Landry and say Simmie around Gordon and Coleman. I can't see how Ridley or Sutton last until 33.


Yes, absolutely. His rehab is on track and he says he'll be 100% soon. Dude is a beast. They might franchise tag him. If they don't, sign him up. I agree about Sutton & Ridley and don't think we'll get either one, but Simmie or St. brown might be had.


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I'd rather sign Allen Robinson than Landry. Put him opposite Gordon, stick Coleman in the slot, and draft a big WR like Sutton, St. Brown, Tate, Simmie Cobb or even Marcel Ateman and see if he can work his way into the rotation.


I don't think Coleman will move to the slot. That's not really his skill-set. He's an outside receiver IMO.


You may be right, but I'm not sure what he did at Baylor or how he's been used so far has actually defined his skillset. I don't see him as an outside receiver and think he's being misused there. He doesn't create mismatches against the DBs, and he's not great at catching the deep ball. Maybe his quickness is better suited to the inside. That may be the only place for him, I think we'll definitely get a WR or two to play opposite Gordon.


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Coleman really hasn't shown anything that would cause you to consider him a #1 or #2 WR. When you overdraft the WR position in a very weak WR draft class you can almost predict that will be the result.


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St. Brown may be there at 33. I think he's going to be a good one.

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Bring back Terrelle Pryor in free agency. I do not care what he did and did not do in Washington in Cleveland he 77 receptions for 1,007 yards.

He produced here. I would still draft someone on day 2 as insurance in case Gordon has a relapse.


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No thanks, there are several better options available.


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it's cool, but we already have a 5'11 WR on the squad that we used a first rounder on.

i'd prefer we get a big body WR and move coleman to the slot.


just a note, Dorsey is the guy in charge he can care less who we took in the first round if he thinks he's upgrading he will do so.


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I know that a lot of guys don't watch a ton of NFL games and have admitted that. That's fine, but I'm telling you guys that Landry is an excellent WR. I think some of posters are missing the boat on this guy. He is a true stud.

I kinda doubt he would come here, but if we had a chance to sign him, it would be a no-brainer.

Also, Coleman is not a slot receiver because he is not a good route runner. He is an outside WR trapped in a slot WRs body. He has been beyond disappointing.

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Andrew Hawkins, when asked "as a player hitting FA for the first time or 2nd can you rank importance....Money, coach and players, record of the team, family"

https://twitter.com/Nubetoriuos/status/955868732622016514

His answer:

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Would love to....

1. Money
2. Money
3. Money
4. Money
5. How the coach plans to help you make more money in the next contract.


https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/955885000053817344




I swear I heard somebody post something similar to this response on here not that long ago...in the Parade thread.



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There's alot of dramatics in the last several posts.

The parade will have zero impact on FA or current players wanting to stay.

1-31 might. The parade won't.


Again QFT.

Deciding factors FA consider when signing:
1) Money
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3) Money
4) Relationship with coaches
5) Relationship with players
6) Winning franchise
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438) Fans
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932) Fans who throw parades for 0-16 seasons


There is literally nothing this parade did or will do to discourage any player from coming here or resigning here any more than having buffoons in the FO, on the coaching staff and figuring out ways to finish dead last for two decades straight.




My bad, I underestimated. I said money was 1-3. He said it was 1-4.

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I know that a lot of guys don't watch a ton of NFL games and have admitted that. That's fine, but I'm telling you guys that Landry is an excellent WR. I think some of posters are missing the boat on this guy. He is a true stud.

I kinda doubt he would come here, but if we had a chance to sign him, it would be a no-brainer.

Also, Coleman is not a slot receiver because he is not a good route runner. He is an outside WR trapped in a slot WRs body. He has been beyond disappointing.


Landry is IT for me.

Hopefully we target 3 guys in FA

Landry WR
Joyner FS
Fuller CB

Fill in mid Vets and the QB

And I'd STILL take Minkah-Fitzpatrick at 4.

Watching some of these Playoff games, it's an amazing thing of beauty to see these teams WRs catch EVERYTHING Close to them. No drops. It's like Rhythm.

Landry is THAT GUY.

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I watch a lot of football games and WRs are over rated. I didn't see a lot of Miami but the few I did watch for some reason I came away with a not impressed on Landry.

The only persons I care if they watch a lot of NFL games btw...is Dorsey and staff.


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I've felt the same way about Landry but have only watched one game and part of another one. Hardly enough of a sample size to make any solid determination on the guy.

I'm not an talent evaluator. I don't know if a guy runs good routes and don't notice him enough if he's not targeted to determine if he blocks well. The only thing I judge a WR on is if he catches the ball. As someone said regarding the recent playoffs is most of the WRs catch the ball.

I've seen some great catches on a consistent basis from many of them. Some of the clutch catches they make in the process of moving the chains seems of great importance on the drive. It's not always the TD catch or the 3rd down catch for a 1st down but also the 8 yard catch on 2nd down that helps toward moving the chains. Our guys have not been nearly so dependable. I also understand that neither has our QB been dependable, regardless of who it's been, but that's another reason we struggle.

The winning TD catch that Amendola made vs the Jags is the kind of catch our guys make at a rate of about 40% in crunch-time. The ball was thrown high in the back of the end zone and that short dude went up, snagged it out of the air and got both feet down a foot from the end line.

It's plays like that him and other like him make that keep drives alive, move the chains giving their team a chance to score. Then they score, or someone else, perhaps a RB makes the score.

When I see catches like some of these guys make routinely in the middle of drives I wonder how "over rated" those WRs are.

I get the 'over-hype' aspect on some of them.


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A lot of The issues with our WR is that our QB has been bad. For some reason a lot of people choose to ignore this and place all the blame on the receivers.

Get a good accurate passer and guys like Coleman will stand out.

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I don't think most people are underestimating how bad our qbs are. I think we have talked quite a bit about how inaccurate Kizer is. There is no doubt that his poor play has hurt our WRs.

However, that does not make the WRs good. They drop way too many passes, don't get a ton of separation, are poor route runners for the most part, and rarely do we see them make difficult catches. Duke had one on a long pass down the left side and Gordon had one on a deep pass against the sideline.

The Browns need a lot of help at WR and I think Dorsey will address it.

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People are definitely underestimating the QB play when talking about our receivers. Example... I see comparisons of Coleman to Michael Thomas and that we should have drafted Thomas. Flip flop Coleman and Thomas. Brees makes Coleman look like a pro bowler, while Kizer makes Thomas look like a bust.

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I hope the Browns sign Landry.

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