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Don't bother. Nothing changes.

This dude doesn't know the meaning of the word "Mechanics".

Taking him would be the SAME DAMN Shotgun approach we've used in the past with the likes of Weeden, Manziel and Kizer.

I want nothing to do with the dude.

I'm going to be MAJORLY Pissed Off if we don't either end up with Cousins, Darnold or Rosen.

We CONTROL this for once. And 2 years of crap football will have been worth it if one of those 3 is our QB going forward. It will change Everything.

We have a football guy. We have to trust he knows football and drafts good players.

From what I read... Crappy offensive line. Lost 3 senior receivers last year and two biggest targets this year were injured before the season began.

Didn't Allen lead that bad Wyoming team to a bowl win over Central Michigan 37-14?

That’s a good point....this kid may or may not be on Dorsey’s radar, but he’s gifted with abilities Dorsey has shown in past drafts that he likes. I love his potential. Can’t wait to see if he wows at the senior bowl. I’ll add this after watching that video on his background, the kid has come a long way in what sounds like a short period, he’s got a long way to go still but I’d say that His development probably hasn’t been as fast as it could have been if he were able to have taken a different path. So he could be behind in that development. The kid has more god given talent then any QB in this draft, Lamar Jackson is probably second, if he puts it all together and reduces the mistakes he will be special. But, and big one it is, are Browns fans willing to take a chance on that type of potential when two other guys are, in many peoples opinions, much less of a risk. Is Dorsey willing to take that risk?

He reminds me of a Brett Favre when he came out, undisciplined(mechanics) gunslinger. I don’t think Favre’s stats were very good in college either if I remember right.

It's tough to take a chance on "potential" in our situation. Allen makes it hard to pass because he IS cast out of the mold of prototypical QB... especially in the AFC Norris. Dumb decisions at QB can definitely be corrected. Mechanics? I'm no expert, but the glaring deficiency is footwork - I would think that could be corrected. Is he a sponge and wants to learn? Does he want to be the best or is just excited to come this far and get an NFL paycheck? He's no stranger to hard work and the only off the field stories are about him working on a farm, not partying nonstop or getting in trouble. Teammates love him, seems humble, etc...

Two factors that will determine whether we can take a chance are what kind of vet QB we sign and whether we are willing to draft him at 4. If Alex Smith is in our QB room it bodes well for Josh Allen. If there is a clear cut sign that Denver will pass on him at 5, we have the possibility of moving down and drafting him in the middle of the first round. A lot of if-then statements before we can solve this equation.

Yeah, I think he has a lot of work to do on his mechanics and decisions. He certainly looks the part, though.

One of the more unbiased articles I've read with some actual substance... lot of good gifs showing both good and bad. If you mean top 5 QBs, he's considered by most on that list... many have him top three after Rosen and Darnold.

https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/1/1...g-new-york-jets

I don't think you can compare their stats, as football has changed in the last 30 years. A qb is expected to be more accurate now, especially if they are going to be a high first round pick.

I think we already have a big, strong, tough QB with a big arm who is also smart. And he's only 21. We need a quality veteran.

You can tell. In several of those videos he is running for his life and then throws off his back foot.

Good observation.
How is Allen any different than Kizer?

Big strong kids with dynamite arms, poor mechanics and inaccuracy

He has a stronger arm than Kizer but not by much. TO be honest I'd rather just keep kizer than moving to this guy. Kizer at least has the pain of his rookie year out of the way and no way he gets worse.

JC: Mel Kiper just put Josh Allen to the Browns with the number 1 pick on his most recent mock draft.............


I'll have to wait to see how the Senior Bowl shakes out before I could feel comfortable with Allen at 1 (as if my opinion mattered, lol)

That would be a nightmare to take someone at #1 over all that could easily be had in round 2. Kiper just figures, "Well it's the Browns after all!"

Neither here nor there about Allen but in regards to Mel he's pretty plugged in.

He's not just giving you what he thinks...he's giving you what he's hearing

Agreed. This is the ultimate disaster scenario.

I don't think Josh Allen is going anywhere near round 2. Whether he goes to us or someone else.

Take a look at teams that can use a QB. There's just so many.

As someone said, Kiper is pretty well tuned in............. He's been doing this for awhile.



But anyway, to me, Allen reminds me a lot of Jake Locker. Just how he runs around with the football, his movement and motion. He looks like a crazy chicken or something.

The only thing I see in common with Wentz and Flacco is they all went to small schools


EDIT: As I said though, I wanna see how he does at the senior bowl. Different setting with better players. I also wanna watch more of him from 2016 rather than 2017 (when his team was supposedly worse)

I don't know that he's that accurate and "plugged in." He mocked Trubisky to us as the #1 pick last year. He and Shay both did.


Link

This is same Mel Kiper who predicted Johnny as the 1st quarterback taken in the 2014 draft. #7 to Tampa Bay.

Kiper and McShay just love to generate clicks and curry favor with their Agent friends by overrating their clients.

Agreed. Allen at #1 is nothing more than click bait material from Kiper. Gets people talking.

I don't get your point nor what you think this refutes?

My point is that Mel is plugged in, that's a fact.

I am not saying he's going to be able to predict the correct team to prospect match.

I am saying that the range where Mel 'mocks' a player is good representation of what people in the NFL are telling him.

Whether I agree or not, if Mel mocks Allen as the #1 pick it is more likely that he goes in that range then he goes in 2nd round as Razor said.

I didn't think it needed to be said that mock draft aren't good for a whole heck of a lot other then an assessment of the current league wide feeling on the prospects. The picks themselves may range/shuffle between several maybe even ~10 spots.

Just because he has Allen as the top QB doesn't mean he's is saying the Browns will take him.

I thought that was already understood.
Just remove the team's and look at the mock as 1-32 ranking with a variation of about ~10 spots.

Wasn't that a big story a few years ago? How Kiper would over-rate certain prospects basically because their agents were paying him off? How does that get overlooked now? I would think he'd have little to no credibility after something like that, yet somehow this got swept under the rug almost as soon as it came out.

I misunderstood your premise.

I understand that Mel Kiper changes his mock drafts about a hundred times from now until the draft. No one wants to click on an article that says the same thing every time. With that said, if we pick Josh Allen over Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold then we should all be doing some real thinking about this team and whether we should keep buying into the BS.

If he picks Josh Allen and we win games next year all will be forgiven. Winning solves everything...at least for us, for the time being.

It will be difficult to see us pass on Rosen and he does well. And it will be difficult to see us pass on Darnold and he does well. And it will be difficult to see us pass on Mayfield and he does well... but if we win....

It's also January. They have weekly mock drafts leading up to the draft itself. I'm guessing both people's draft will change several times.

I like Allen a lot. I would not be disappointed if we drafted him, but we would have to have an Alex Smith-type QB here in the mean time. It could be two years before Allen is ready to start.

McShay and Kiper are overhyped idiots. They may have been decent talent evauluaters at one point but not anymore. There just there to create buzz. I’m right just as much as they are and I have no evperience in their field. Some of the stuff they say makes no sense.

I don't get the hate for Mel and Todd.
They are not scouts and don't claim to be and further NO one treats them as such.

But for me and many others they are welcome part of draft season.

If everyone understands what they are I don't get what the freak out is?

Kiper's and McShay's final 2017 mocks. People can decide for themselves.

Mel Kiper Jr. 2017 NFL Mock Draft: Notable Picks from ESPN Guru's Final Mock | Bleacher Report
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27061...urus-final-mock

Todd McShay 2017 NFL Mock Draft: Notable Picks from ESPN Guru's Final Mock | Bleacher Report
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27060...urus-final-mock