DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue part 3 .. he’s here to stay ...

No, he's not. I have already provided evidence that he is not right.

But, that's okay. You guys keep on keepin' on.

The problem with your argument is you’re attempting to say he’s done miraculous things with QB’s in the past. I could care less what he did or didn’t do somewhere else. He’s done nothing with QB’s here. Here is all that matters. It’s a what have you done for me lately world, welcome to it. The only continuity he’s brought here is losing. That he’s done well. When it comes to the Browns, Hue’s a loser. There is no way to escape 1 - 31. It’s pure fact.

What? Rasta called me out on what I said Hue has done in the past.

I think you are trying to start an argument and further an agenda. That's fine. Have a good night.

We very well may be splitting hairs. The thing is, Hue was never in a position long enough to see if he could develop a QB long term. So while I do understand your point, the circumstances dictate that we really have no answer of what Hue could or couldn't do over the long term as it pertains to developing a QB. What we do know is that in the short term Hue certainly has the ability to get the very most out of a QB.

So yeah, I think we're pretty much on the same page here.

That sums it up IMO.

I could ask where Cody Kesslers development is after 2 years with Hue, and someone could say Hue was forced to play Kizer...

but forget the past, What IS the BEST way to Get The Browns to start winning some Ratz n Fratzn Games,

Even Terry Robiske had One win, and he only had 6 tries! as Interim HC.

( May I suggest since Page 10 is almost here,
Hue Part 3 he's here to say...
Hue Part 4 he won't go away... )

( Ok, Hue part 5, Jason takes Manhatton.)

Seriously, How are they going to win some games?

You could ask where the development of hundreds of QB's who were drafted that didn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB was. First off the player who is drafted has to have the talent to develop.

You could also ask... of the hundreds of failures, which would've been successes had they been drafted elsewhere?

While we're all speculating, why not add more fuel to the fire?

Might as well. It seems like the most popular activity on the message boards these days.

What are you talking about. Kessler played in 5-6 or more games and was a major part of the Browns in 2016, the 2016 year, and All of a sudden in 2017, nothing!

And in 2016 there's evidence he played better than what we were getting at times from Kizer in 2017, Yet of the 2017 Kessler, Nothing!

And When Kessler did show up in 2017, he'd had many weeks off, it was a very short time, and all he seemed to do was drop back and wait to be sacked.

Cody Kessler's development from 2016-2017 appeared to be negative development, He got Worse.

But don't deny Cody Kesslers role in 2016 and pretend he's John Doe who never was an NFL Qb,
You can't deny what Cody Kessler did on the Browns in 2016, that would be revisionist history and against the facts!

Alright. Your post was "hundreds of QB's who were drafted that didn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB"

Alright. You have a point. Partially, you make the point he doesn't, or didn't have what it takes to keep a starting role and proceed in his career.

But I have a point. There aren't "hundreds of Qb's" that get to have the role, (even on the hapless Browns), that Cody Kessler had for a role on the 2016 Browns.

So it's not a fair comparison I say
And I say Hue Jackson, ... and the developing of Kessler? ... who's at fault?

One thing I can say is it appears Kessler is in a worse situation now than he was 12 months ago and Hue Jackson is/was his head coach, so there's that.

You're a funny guy. How many games did we win in 2016 that makes you think they should have stuck with Kessler? lol

You can't develop a player who doesn't have the talent to develop. If you could, every QB drafted in the NFL would be a starting caliber QB. Yet hundreds of them haven't been and aren't. Kessler is one of them.

I have called you out several times and you keep on answering with meaningless posts or meme's.

I have posted here the QB rating of the QB's Hue coached, and showed the regression most of them add when they started to be coached by Hue, and the improvements most had when the stopped being coached by Hue.

I also posted several times that the so called great QB's that were coached by Hue, were a myth...no great QB was ever coached by Hue, only average ones.

You called Hue a winner, and I posted the data on his achievements, which are NONE. No playoff wins, no Playoff appearances has a HC, he has nothing to show.

I also called several time on the myth that Hue is a good play caller and game strategist, namely how it made no sense to call 2/3 pass plays, specially against top Pass D's and bad Run O's,yet he has done it.

Still no answer from you, only meme's and offensive posts... but no reasons or any rationality on your support, just blind faith...

Yeah, going 8-8 with Jason Campbell was just a mirage when he was HC for the Raiders.

Fixed it for ya.

Jason Campbell only started six games for the Raiders. He got hurt and Hue Jackson panic traded for Carson Palmer. He was then fired because a GM got hired.

There you say again that word hundreds remark.
A quick internet glance at Cody Kessler. "in week 11 he made his 8th start for the Cleveland Browns"

Hundreds of people don't get 8 starts for an NFL team in a given year.
If he's as bad as you say then why did he get ONE start,
and if he's as bad as you describe, then why did Hue not throw up his hands and say "what the heck" the day he was selected in the 3rd with the 98th pick?

But just pass the buck that it's not the coaches fault that the team hasn't won 31 out of 32 games...
Or Josh McCown, Or RGIII, or now Kizer.

That's your standard for a great coach?

The mighty Oakland Raiders under Hue? The team that defined football on the NFL in this decade...

If that's you standard for greatness, then I understand... just don't be admired other don't share the same definition of success...

No for me Hue's Oakland were not a great team, actually not only he got fired after but in the next 2 full seasons has a HC he was only able to win 2 games, and never showed a hint of greatness in any game I've seen...

We have had great Coordinators here, coaches like Romeo Crennel that had extraordinary games and game plans,like the one that beat the patriots. BB was heavily criticized in Cleveland, but you could see the seed of his success in his Browns team, you could see his genius already.

We had good offensive coordinators, that we could see some glimpses of value. Bruce Arians, Chud, Shanny, etc...

He had several Coaches that won super bowls... Hue hasn't won anything

In Hue I have seen nothing... And when I ask others that worship Hue and have blind faith in him, what makes him so special, the truth is that they have nothing... except their faith...

Take a close look at the 2016 version of Josh McCown on the Browns with Hue and then 2017 Josh McCown on the Jets who got a victory over the Browns with Hue.



Which doesn't jive with what I put above.

But it's time to move on to the future!

If any fan of any other team saw some quotes we have here from some posters...

This quotes should be censored, imagine someone saying Browns fans say that "Hue has the ability to get the most of any QB".

Its enough what the team has done to us this last 2 seasons....

Your examples seem to point to the opposite of what you are trying to prove.

You didn't fix anything. You just infused your extreme bias.

Marty Mornhinweg is a coach who a lot of people say was the worst coach in NFL history. He's the coach that won the coin toss in overtime and chose to kick the ball exclaiming "We want the wind!" The Lions lost that game without ever getting the ball. Marty was fired with a record of 5-27. Five times as many wins as Hue in the same amount of time.

Someone is biased. It ain't him.

My friend, it's hard to talk about wins for a QB yet not consider wins when talking about a coach.