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I have said all along that anyone hired as offensive coordinator will help because it will lessen Hue Jackson's load and allow him to focus on other things more. I think hiring Todd Haley would be a great move because, if he wants to, Jackson can just let Todd Haley run the whole offense. That is an ideal situation. I think Hue Jackson will be at his best in a supplementary role. Help where needed and then be the leader/cheerleader.

I think Haley is the ideal OC to maximize a RB like Quan, he's a back in the same mold as Lev Bell.

Do you think Haley adopts Hues O or will he bring his own?

Both. You don't hire a guy like Todd Haley and put him in your box. You also don't marginalize Hue Jackson, who still has innovative ideas, by not letting him have input.

That is ideal. Hope it's what happens. There's no way they're hiring without thinking about someone who's capable of taking the reigns IF necessary.

I agree completely with what you are saying. I also believe that there have been other shortcomings that handled differently would have helped the team's chances to win some games.

In other words, it was not all on the run/pass mix. There's an entire team of offense, defense and special teams that could have been handled differently resulting in better chances to get a win.

If you are stating that you are only talking about the subject of Hue and the offense choosing to leave the rest for another discussion I'm down with that.

Hmmmmm. Why?

Rosen and Darnold are the 2 QB'S in this draft that can run ANY offense.

Is this you being dissatisfied with Jackson no longer calling plays?

This dude has produced.

Because Todd Haley is an [censored] and Rosen is admittedly a hard person to get along with.

He runs top 10 offenses. I'll take that all day any day.

We should worry about the doing well first. If we win and he wears out his welcome so be it.

Amen to that +1

NFL insider notebook: Browns' OC pickle

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-i...esota-and-more/

The Cleveland Browns are talking to potential offensive coordinators about their vacant position, and, should Hue Jackson follow through on his remarks from early in the offseason and hand over full play-calling duties, this is actually an attractive job. Very attractive.

New general manager John Dorsey, a well-respected football man, is overhauling the front office, and they are going to find better players and draft a talented quarterback first overall. As an added bonus, should Jackson continue his dogged pursuit of the record books (0-16 and 1-15 in two years on the job in Cleveland), then it's easy to predict an in-season firing in 2018 ... which could give the new offensive coordinator a chance to run the entire team, break Cleveland's long losing streak and greatly raise his visibility and viability for future head coaching jobs, there or elsewhere. (I'd also note that Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams did a nice job with his unit last season under extreme duress and has head-coaching experience as well.)

So, given all of that, it makes perfect sense to be interviewing guys like Ben McAdoo and Todd Haley for the OC job. Of course, the only way the Browns are going to land someone who has prior head-coaching experience and vast time spent running an offense is if this job comes with full authority to run the offense without meddling from Jackson. And, well, let's just say there is are all kind of rumblings about just that. Will Jackson sign off on a coaching hire that could quickly undermine his own job status? How will all that play out, with constant clashes between coaching and personnel part of what's undermined the Browns for years? Might always-embattled and rarely-winning owner Jimmy Haslam have to intervene?

Let's just say that people are talking about this dynamic, both in that organization and around the league. Jackson, who has failed to identify or develop a quarterback in Cleveland to this point and earned considerable criticism for how he handled rookie DeShone Kizer last season, is fairly set in his ways and has offensive concepts he strongly believes in. And he already hired a quarterback coach a few weeks back that he knows well through his Bengals ties in Ken Zampese, who didn't make it through September in Cincy last season.

There is significant consternation about how this hire will play out both within the Browns organization, and outside of it as well, as candidates are wondering what the job will ultimately entail. If the whispers about Jackson believing he and Zampese could have it all under control are true, then this becomes a very different job in the end. It's well known that Dorsey is hopeful of bringing in the best game-planner and play-caller he can possibly find, and if he lands McAdoo or Haley, then it's a win for 2018, and possibly beyond.

But it's already beyond ludicrous that Dorsey was forced to keep a coach after an 0-16 season, and it's ridiculous that another rookie quarterback is going to thrust into this backwards scenario next season with his head coach already on the hottest of hot seats in NFL history. But that's The Haslam Way, so no surprises there, I suppose.

And should things go totally sideways – this is Cleveland after all – well, gulp, even in February or March or even April you can find a head coach, and most likely one capable of getting better and not worse off a 1-15 season. Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub and Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz got far less head-coaching buzz than I expected, but both would be worthy replacements in a pinch. Eagles offensive coordinator Frank Reich would make sense, too.

A year after we saw three general managers fired after the draft, and a week after we saw Mularkey fired despite a playoff win, would it really be all that crazy by current standards to see a 1-31 coach let go at some point prior to the start of the ensuing season? I suspect it won't happen, but then again, in this league and with this franchise in particular, you never know.

6 years in Pittsburgh and high powered offense wore out his welcome?

I'm totally confused on this.

" I also think Haley's play calling is far worse than Hue's. I don't get this move..


Haley replaced Bruce Arians in 2012 as offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh and the Steelers have averaged the third most yards per play since Haley took over and in the last four seasons Pittsburgh ranked behind only the Patriots in scoring.

Yeah! Last week when the Steelers lost 45 to 42 his offense was the problem They did not produce enough points.

They also have the two best offensive players in the game.

I'd be OK with Haley. I think that he's a quality coach. He got Roethlisberger to speed up a lot. Ben used to make his OL look like crap, by hanging onto the ball all day long. Hailey got him to get rid of the ball a lot quicker.

I remember when Roethlisberger complained that Hailey's offense wasn't a big play offense. I think that's been disproved. I admit that I am a little concerned about Hailey's demeanor, but I think that Hus is enough of a "nice guy" to offset Hailey, especially since Hue will still likely spend some time on that side of the ball.

Similar things were said about Gregg Williams and Dorsey. I don't care if he's abrasive or not if he gets results. We can worry about him wearing out his welcome later.

Who knows maybe they'll get along great because of their personalities?

But I wouldn't let Haley's reported personality prevent me from draft Rosen because of his reported personality. Not a chance. Not for second. IF Rosen is the top QB on my draft board I draft him. Period.

Owner con man
Hc backstabing sociopath
Gm and soon to be OC are such asses they have been phenomenal but fired for being dicks

Might as well draft Rosen since he us biggest douche in draft

I'm sorry Mourg, nice try. But sheesh, I grade your post as an incomplete. How could you leave off the defensive coordinator?

I'd be thrilled if we had his production for a few years... we don't have anywhere near the talent of the steelers... Gordon could be great... crow is decent... no QB to compare to Ben yet...

I do agree with I think it was vers who said that he worries thwt haleys offense does not match hue's... not sure how big of a deal thwt is but we'd be learning a new system and I'm not sure hue would want to give up thwt much control over the offense...

We could play Pittsburgh for the Douche Bowl.

I think Rosen is too intelligent to allow himself be bullied by Haley, thus they don't fit together.

I also don't like Hue handing over the play calling duties to a guy who made more nitwit calls in that last playoff game than Hue did all year.

The Steelers OL was perhaps the best in football this past year and they are consistently a top 5.

They have a future HOF qb.

They have the best WR in football.

They have the best RB in football.

Their other WRs are very good.

I do think Haley has a good offensive mind, but I don't think his abrasive and dominant personality is such a great fit for our team.

I hope I'm wrong.

Haley is a serious upgrade over the last 6 OC the Browns have had
How did they work out ?

Jason La Canfora seems to have an insider with the Browns. He was first on the Eliot Wolf news and he was the first one to say that Todd Haley would have a shot at being the offensive coordinator. I think it's pretty obvious, as La Canfora states, that John Dorsey is trying to make an imprint on the staff just in case things go sideways fast.

(Full disclosure: I have never been one of the "La Canfora hates the Browns" people.)

Also, it seems like there has to be at least a little bit of a power struggle going on between Dorsey and Hue Jackson. They come from different schools and are trying to put their stamp on the team. Jackson has to know that his job is at risk if he starts out slow. If I was him I wouldn't want to give up something I think I am really good at and rely on someone I am unfamiliar with to save my job. With that said, if I am John Dorsey I don't want to rely on a coach who has gone 1-31 to do the right thing.

Jimmy Haslam really screwed this whole thing up again.

Agreed - sure seems like a power struggle. I am sure that if Hue had his druthers, Zampese would be his QB coach/offensive coordinator and he (Hue) would continue with play-calling duties. Adding Haley would make it a significantly different dynamic and not for the better, I fear.

I think it is possible that John Dorsey and Hue Jackson are trying to force this up the food chain to the Haslams. Whoever the owners side with wins.

You guys may be over thinking things a bit. Hue is said he is willing to hand over play calling to an experienced and successful OC.

He just doesn't want to hand it over to some up and coming smuck which I can totally understand.

I'd still rather the new OC learn the TEAM'S existent system and call plays from that verbiage. Otherwise you making all our new players just start all over again and we have seen many times over the years that just doesn't work well because then they never get to an instinctual level of play.

I honestly prefer someone who won't but heads with Hue, will learn his system, and then eventually say next year or late this year be able to call plays from the existing system. I'm sick and tired of forcing our players to forever be rookies because we keep changing the system they play in.

Agreed, cfrs is all butt hurt that Sashi was fired and he has been whining and crying about Hue ever since. Almost every single post he makes is about Hue being fired. He is making things up to further his agenda.

1) La Cornholio doesn't hate the Browns, he's just spoon fed a lot of info from Lombardi. (Who hates the Browns) If there is still a leak here, it's either a new one (the entire coaching staff and most of the front office has turned over), an agent for Wolf or Haley, or someone in admin.

2) You couldn't get two more different offensive minds than Haley and Hue. Haley learned from Weis and Whisenhut and uses a stretch/spread hybrid system with zone blocking.

3) This is not a match that Hue would have picked on his own.

4) Everything is getting cloudier rather than clearer.

Browns are working to hire Todd Haley as offensive coordinator

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_are_close_to_hiring_tod.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- John Dorsey brought some of that Packers' winning vibe to the Browns front office, and now Hue Jackson aims to bring a key component of the Steelers' explosive offense to Cleveland.

He's been working to hire former Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley for the same position here.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen first reported the two were in serious talks for the position.

Haley, the Steelers coordinator the past six years, did not have his contract renewed last week after the Steelers' 45-42 loss to the Jaguars in the divisional round of the playoffs.

Reports out of Pittsburgh were that he clashed with Ben Roethlisberger. But over the past four seasons, the Steelers were second in scoring only to the Patriots.

Haley has enough experience that Jackson would likely turn playcalling duties over to him. Jackson has also interviewed fired Giants head coach Ben McAdoo and Texans QB coach Sean Ryan for the position. McAdoo would also be in line to call plays, but Ryan would probably not.

Haley has received a ringing endorsement from Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner, who tweeted last week "I know if I had anything left in this old body, I would sign up tomorrow to work and play for Todd again.''

Haley was Warner's offensive coordinator when they lost to the Steelers in Super Bowl XLIII in 2009.

Haley, 50, came under fire for his playcalling during the loss to the Jaguars after the Steelers were twice stopped on fourth-and-inches, and he didn't call for a Roethisberger sneak.

But over the past four seasons, the Steelers have been in the top 10 in the NFL in scoring, the club's longest such streak since the 1970s.

Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell also consistently finished among the league leaders under Haley.

In 2017, The Steelers finished in the top 10 in several key offensive categories, including total yards (3rd), yards per play (7th), net passing yards per game (third), third down efficiency (2nd), and points per game (8th).

Roethlisberger finished 13th in the NFL with a 93.4 rating, and Le'Veon Bell finished third 1,291 yards. Antonio Brown was first in the NFL with 1,533 yards on 101 receptions, and caught 9 TD passes.

The Steelers sent six offensive players to the Pro Bowl in Brown, Roethlisberger, Bell, and offensive linemen Alejandro Villanueva, David DeCastro and Maurkice Pouncey.

In 2016, the Steelers advanced to the AFC Championship Game and sent five offensive players to the Pro Bowl. Bell led the NFL in scrimmage yards per game (157.0). He also became the fastest player in NFL history to reach 3,000 rushing yards and 1,500 receiving yards in his career (38 games).

Haley was head coach of the Chiefs from 2008 through week 14 of the 2011 season, posting a 19-26 mark. In 2010, he guided the team to the greatest turnaround in franchise history, from 4-12 to 10-6. They also made the playoffs for the first time since 2006.

Haley served as the Cardinals' offensive coordinator in 2007-08, during which the team won the club's first division title since 1975 and advanced to the Super Bowl. Under Haley, the Cardinals were one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL, tying for third in the league with a franchise-record 427 points in 2008. The Cardinals also became the fifth team in NFL history with three receivers recording 1,000 yards in the same season.

From 1999 to 2006, Haley served as receivers coach for the Cowboys, Bears and Jets, making the playoffs with each of those teams.

That is why I asked the question about what O will we run if Haley, or anyone else for that matter. I tend to agree we need to keep the same O.

I mean, all playbooks have the same plays. They just have different names. And the new guy would be able to install a few plays he likes if they aren't in Hue's O.

Is Haley hard to work with or is Big Ben hard to work with???

I was surprised after they scored 42 points on a really tough Jags D, they fired Haley.

I would say both. Ben used to fight w/BA, too. He certainly blamed the coaching after the loss. Haley has a rep for being very critical of players and he wouldn't even allow Ben to audible to a qb sneak. That seems way too controlling. Like him or not, Ben has been in the league a long time.

I think Haley is a bright guy, but this seems like an odd fit.

He was let go because he and ben did not get alone. Ben wanted to run a no huddle during most of the games, and he wanted to call plays during the no huddle. Haley was not fond of it.

I am perfectly ok with a coach that left because he didn't get alone w/ Ben R.