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Cute.

Now look up Troll.

This is such a fitting description.

All that came up was a picture of a jacked up hand.

Touche.

Moral priorities are a huge problem for democrats right now.

I've heard one person say there's nothing in the bill that the democrats should disagree with. Now is not the time or the place to talk about DACA, that can be done later with more thought in exchange for funding military, chip, and other things.

To me this basically means the the democrats care more about the well being of illegal immigrants than American citizens, that is not a good look. Let it stay shutdown.

Just as many Democrats voted for the bill than Republicans did. They also proposed a bill funding the military for the month. Hell, the Republicans wanted send lawmakers home this week so they could bounce to Davos, but realized how bad the optics would be on that.

I think the Democrats are just playing politics with this shutdown. DACA was just an add on that the Dems are demanding. They either just wanted the Government shutdown during the 1 year anniversary of the President inauguration. Or, at worst they will keep it shutdown thru the State of the Union next week trying to again shame the President.

Look the reason they are the party not in power is because they are the party without a plan. obstruction and the liberal main stream media is all they have right now.

Former Secret Service Agent Dan Bongino summed it up with this:

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Here’s everything you need to know about Democrats, they call Americans “deplorables” and illegal immigrants “dreamers.”
#DACA

What a stupid comment.

Agreed.
What we know about the GOP. They give permanent tax breaks to billionaires and millionaires and temporary tax breaks to the rest of us.
#MAkingGreedAcceptable

After the tax bill went through, apparently Paul Ryan got 500k from the Koch Bros.

Seems to me liberals care about the many, while conservatives care about the few.

Apple Bringing Back the Bacon

...and paying $38,000,000,000 in taxes due to the new tax bill.

...and investing $30,000,000,000 in new facilities and jobs HERE IN THE UNITED STATES due to the new tax bill.

This could've happened 8 years ago too, but...y'know.

You mean his campaign got that, right?

You liberal may care about the many, but ELECTED liberals only care about keeping a needy voter block in their pocket.

They've had since '64, when the war on poverty was started to do something to affect genuine change in the lower class lives and all they've done is keep them there.

First black president in American history, and the poor are poorer than ever.

Yeah, they really care...

The problem is that other than Bernie, there are few, if any, actual liberals in the democrat party.

I would’ve expected you to know that.

First, Bernie is just as paid off as the rest of them. Dude has how many six figure homes?

Second, whatever the rest of the democrat party is, it certainly isn't conservative.

Let the Government stay shut down for a Year; but

Give Nothing to the Democrats!

Do Not let the Democrats have anything!

Do not give in to the Democrats' ideas.

I have no idea how many homes Bernie has. Bernie is also far too left for me, which is something I’ve repeatedly made clear throughout the election season up til now.

The Dems are GOP lite, which is fine, but I can maybe make 5 senators who are actually liberal in the dem party. The others are slightly left leaning. That’s a big difference.

But the GOP? That party as a whole has moved to about as far right as they can get without losing support. Conservatives today are all about every man for himself, bending over backwards for the wealthy elite and actively feed into our out of control military industrial complex.

Don’t get me started on big oil and pharma literally dictating how the GOP operates.

The dems suck because they have no backbone for the most part, but atleast they care about the majority of Americans. Meanwhile the world watched as A handful of conservatives had to save Alabama from electing a pedophile, who had damn near unanimous support from your ideology. And now how many conservatives will save Arizona from voting in a blatant racist like Sharpio?

Say what you want, but atleast I don’t vote for people who feed into our opioid crisis. That’s all you, bro.

I would have to agree with Swish on this issue.

Thank you for reiterating the fact that this Gov't shutdown is the direct responsibility of the flakiness of Donald Twitter and the GOP unwillingness to work across the aisle to simply govern the issues with compromises to what's best for the U.S.A. and it's inhabitants.

But no,... it's all negative and hate filled rhetoric coming from Mr Twitter, and the GOP. No compromises! No Way!

What they're saying is "Screw the majority of the USA, and feed the minority rich 1% with huge bonuses by giving them the biggest tax cuts in history, and permanently. Do it quickly, before they all figure out what's going on here."

We can go back and forth on the merits or lack of for ACA, HOWEVER that does not change the fact that in 2013 they shut down believe what they were doing was in the BEST INTEREST OF AMERICANS. NOT ILLEGALS. You are completely misreading what I am saying. I am not saying it was right, I am saying they did WHAT THEY THOUGHT was right, FOR AMERICANS.

Its a sad day in our country history, when Americans do not agree that Americans should be put before illegal immigrants. I weep for our future, I really do.



President Obama Link


hmmm, sounds like America gave the House majority to congress huh, maybe just maybe the majority of America did so because they disagreed with certain immigration policies.....

What you saying is that "well, Obama didn't have the congress so he HAD to go around congress despite our Constitution and his authority". Sorry, that is not the United States is run, and it is setup that way for a reason. And you guys call trump the dictator. .. . .. .

WAIT WAIT WAIT sir. You mean the PARENTS who knowingly broke our law to get here illegally? You see, the whole argument here is that THESE KIDS DID not knowingly come to US, they were drug here by their parents. Its unfair to deport them because they don't know any other. Well, their parents knew better. And their parents know the country they came from. Your argument I am sorry is falling on its face.

Everify should not be even a debate. Its a system where employers verify the person they are hiring is legal immigrant. Why would any be against this?

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These DACAs are majority adults. They had to be 15 years old to apply and under 31 before 2012. So the "breaking up family" thing, just a talking appoint. Those 15 year olds are all in their 20's now.

Thanks fish. I actually found that article previously when looking up what was said. I'd have a hard time seeing someone prove in a court of law that Obama's quote there is him saying DACA is unconstitutional, since DACA is an EO, not a law. Is it nitpicking? Perhaps. But as we saw in 2017 when the travel ban was enacted, the president is offered sweeping powers to move on issues that may be considered too pressing to wait for congress to come to an agreement on. Also as we saw in 2017, the presidents travel ban was reversed via court order. I was flying through JFK when the ban was enacted.... fun times walking through the protesters...

The Democrats have marched themselves into a box canyon in their effort to "Get Trump". They are trapped and begging for a way out as this has blown up in their faces.

I would not be surprised to see this end today.

Anyone who could vote these people into power in 2018 certainly doesn't care about the future of our Nation.

I have staffer friends who work on the hill, both gop and democrat. They all want to do what is right for this country, even if they disagree on the methods. So if your argument is that republicans care about Americans and democrats don't, you are uninformed.

If your contention is that this DACA doesn't help americans, you are also uninformed here. A simple example: what do we do about the US citizen SBO who hired people under DACA protections on work orders? Doesn't it make more sense to get a resolution to this problem so they know if they have to hire a replacement? It can take time (especially in skilled roles) to replace a worker, which amounts to lost revenue. If we just pull the status and deport them immediately, we significantly hurt that business owner in addition to the DACA workers.



Were you able to move the strawman when you moved the goalposts?

And now the tears over our history and it being a sad day? Come on. Do you mean our countries history where immigrants came over from Europe to start a new life? Those immigrants who CHAIN MIGRATED their families because they wanted their family to be with them? Or do you mean some other history I'm not aware of?



Thanks for the link. Fish got me one too. I don't think a court of law would agree with the assessment here, as EO's aren't laws, but I do understand the sentiment behind the outrage here. I would much prefer a congressional law to override the EO, and to get something firm on the books.



DACA wasn't signed until the house was already under republican control, so I don't know what you mean specifically. But I get the gist of what you're saying.

You may agree or disagree with the intention behind the EOs, but EOs are there because we can't always wait for congress to act. See the travel ban. See the post 9/11 EO's. The same applies here because congress refused (and continues to refuse) to come up with a solution. If you disagree with executive orders, take it up with the founding fathers.



Quote me where I said that, please? And while I disagreed with the travel ban, I fully support the right of our president to be able to make that order.



There are only two ways to resolve this immigration problem with the childhood arrivals:

- Deport the children and parents
- Give the parents the same citizenship path as the children.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot make the children legal and deport the parents. Under what universe does that make sense to you? You either send them all back or keep the family together. We can have a discussion on the merits of either of these two paths, but these are the only two paths.



I am fine with E-Verify if it works. The research being done so far has shown the system to show a startling high false positive AND false negative rate: https://www.cato.org/blog/serious-problems-e-verify

If the way to fix the system is by the government having my DNA and hair samples and fingerprints willit... I'm not really a fan of that. What good is kicking out illegals if I have to give up my privacy to do it?



When your kids are 20 you are OK with never being able to go to their house/apartment ever again, even if they wanted you to? I'm in my 30s and still like my folks to come visit me from North Carolina a few times a year. To wit, while living in Europe would be awesome, my family not being able to see me as much would be the biggest reason to not do so. So to sum up, it's not a talking point but a very valid concern to have.

j/c

Funny thing. Trump told the bipartisan committee to come up with an immigration plan and he would sign it. He said he would take the fall for it. Once again he lied and now people want to point the finger at everyone else.

How is putting illegal immigrants over idk lets say the military, make that true?



ummm, when those "immigrants" came here, there were not LAWS AGAINST IT. So you logic is well, not that.

Which is exactly why trump reversed the order and kicked it to congress. They have until March to figure it out. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason this should be happening now on a CR bill.

Cant wait for congress to act, however he went YEARS without doing anything afterwards. Guess he could have waited since its been years with nothing done. That argument doesn't hold water.

Its not. Deport the parents. The DACA can stay. They are NOT CHILDREN.


Funny, you talk about cake and eating it too earlier, but that is what you are arguing now for the DACAs lol.

I actually know plenty of LEGAL immigrants here, whose parents live in mexico, and they visit mexico - the parents for whatever reason do not visit here. If they don't like the scenario that WORKS BEST FOR AMERICANS - then they can CHOOSE to either stay or leave with their parents.

But its funny how your tone changed when I pointed out they were not CHILDREN. You also make it this "they will never be able to go their house again" - they didn't care about that fact when the parents BLATENTLY broke our FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW. So no, I have no remorse for the parents. I do believe the "children" should get to stay, or leave if they want.

Lindsey Graham and the White House exchange barbs over immigration negotiations with Stephen Miller

by Kyle Feldscher | Jan 21, 2018, 8:52 PM Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Email this article Share on LinkedIn Print this article

Senior White House adviser Stephen Miller listens as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy in the Cabinet Room of the White House, Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2018, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Senior White House adviser Stephen Miller listens as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy in the Cabinet Room of the White House, Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2018, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


Sen. Lindsey Graham and the White House are in a war of words as lawmakers try to work across party lines and along Pennsylvania Avenue to try and find a deal to reopen the government.

Graham has been one of the main negotiators during the shutdown, which started early Saturday morning. He’s spent a lot of time shuttling between the offices of Sens. Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer, doing shuttle diplomacy between the leaders of Senate Republicans and Democrats.



As stressful as that role must be, it was a negotiator Graham has been working with in the White House — Stephen Miller — who he complained about to reporters on Capitol Hill Sunday.

“I've talked with the president. His heart is right on this issue. I think he's got a good understanding of what will sell,” Graham told reporters. “And every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members. As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we are going nowhere. He has been an outlier for years. There's a deal to be had.”

Miller worked for many years as a top legislative aide to then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, working particularly hard on immigration. He’s now one of the top policy aides on immigration in Trump’s White House.

Graham’s comments prompted White House spokeswoman Hogan Gidley to fire back at a Republican who has become a friend to Trump during his time in office.

“As long as Sen. Graham chooses to support legislation that sides with people in this country illegally and unlawfully instead of our own American citizens, we’re going nowhere,” Gidley said.

“He’s been an outlier for years,” she added, turning Graham’s words about Miller back against him.

Graham and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin, the second most powerful Democrat in the Senate, came to the White House earlier this month with a deal they believed would end up solving the legislative crisis precipitated by Trump deciding to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program in September. That program is set to end on March 5, per Trump’s order.

Graham and Durbin came up with a deal formed by a bipartisan group of senators that would have kept DACA recipients in the country legally and added more funding for border security.

However, a White House official said the deal ended up being lacking in some very important ways that were unpalatable to Trump.

The official said the deal would not only have legalized DACA recipients but their parents as well — about 8 million people. Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton said earlier Sunday that was unacceptable to immigration hardliners like himself in Congress and Trump felt the same way.

The deal would have also expanded chain migration and DACA recipients could have brought about 13 million extended family members to the country as immigrants, the official said.

Other concerns the White House had with the deal included questioning if legalizing the status of DACA recipients would encourage illegal immigration because there would be no punishment for coming to the country illegally; not adhering to the president’s desire to see more skilled immigrants coming to the U.S. instead of unskilled workers.



The White House official deemed it an “extremist proposal.”

Democrats were unwilling to move forward on a bill to fund the government for four more weeks without protections for DACA recipients Friday night, leading to a government shutdown that started at midnight Saturday.

Graham called the views held by some negotiators in the White House — not mentioning Miller by name, but clearly alluding to him hours after his statement to reporters — “extreme and unrealistic.”

“President Trump has expressed a desire to have border security with compassion on immigration. #winningcombination. General Kelly is tough but reasonable. Some other staff in the White House hold extreme and unrealistic views. They hold us back from getting a solution,” Graham tweeted.

You are correct. The Republicans put illegal immigrants over the military and it's a shame. Democrats proposed a bill that would've kept the military funded through the shut down, but McConnell didn't even allow the Bill to be put to a vote. It's sickening watching Republicans screw over our military.

Funny thing. As I predicted, the government returns to work again and the Democrats are out of the hole they dug for themselves with the Schumer Shutdown.

Well maybe you should send Trump a message that next time if he would do what he said and not lie, we wouldn't get into a situation like this in the first place.

Trump not lying? I bet the Browns will win a game before that happens.

Shumer to vote for temp bill

Looks like Schumer realized that this was not a good look for left. . . . .huh.

Perhaps it is better if you get it through your biased head that what the Democrats are now voting "yes" on is exactly what they voted "no" on a few days ago.

Only change is they are now out of the hole they stupidly dug.

Victory Trump.

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MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough blamed President Donald Trump’s mental instability for the failure of a bipartisan deal to keep the government open.

According to a New York Times report on the negotiations, the president reached an agreement with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) but then let his staff override his decision.

“The president had a Chinese dinner with Democrats, talked once again about wanting to extend legal status to Dreamers, staff members quickly ran behind him again like he’s so bumpkin, some idiot who doesn’t know what he wants to do, rushed behind him, killed the deal again,” Scarborough said.

The “Morning Joe” host said Trump had consistently signaled support for DACA recipients, but his aides and congressional Republicans kept killing any deal that involved extending their legal protections.

“The president this time kept staff members out of the room because they treat him like he’s just a fool, like he’s just an idiot, like he’s a stupid, old, blubbery old man who doesn’t know what he’s doing, like he’s the weakest leader on the planet,” Scarborough said.


He continued: “So Donald Trump said, ‘I’m just going to have Chuck Schumer come in and we’re going to talk one-on-one, and I’m not going to let these staff members treat me like I have pre-dementia, even though they all run around saying I have pr-dementia. I’ve got a doctor who says I don’t have pre-dementia, maybe I don’t have pre-dementia. I’ll do this myself.'”

But once again, the president was overruled by his staff — and Republicans are preventing other possible compromises from reaching a floor vote.

“The Republicans are stopping every one of these votes because they want to make a point, but they’re not exactly sure what point they want to make because we have a president of the United States that is being led around by his staff who obviously think that he’s not fit to be president of the United States, because he makes deals and they break them,” Scarborough said. “So that’s where we are this morning.”


Among the bills that were brought up that got shot down-a dem suggestion that there be a short term CR (like 3 days) go get through the weekend-because the repubs and dems were coming up with deals that kept getting shut down. There were at least 2.
And there was another request from Clair McCaskill that they vote if there was a shut down to keep funding the military-and Mitch wouldn't even bring it up for a vote.

But one thing that now is making the repubs in the senate look at the big picture-if they don't take in and set a deadline for the DACA people, March 6 is here in about 6 weeks-Mitch said Sunday-God help the Republican party if we just let this go and not address this issue and the first week in March the WH decides to keep their promise to deport all these people

I love how people use us military personnel like a weapon, knowing damn well it’s nothing more than a talking point.

Also, a senator put a bill so that military personnel still got paid, but the GOP shot it down.

So Anyone trying to use that BS excuse, please, save it.

My pay was delayed twice due to Govt shutdowns while I was in the service and nobody on either side of the isle or the press said boo. Then they all spat on us when we came home. It won't be long now before we return to those fine days, the way we're going.

It's all they know how to do.

I mean Trump flat out told them to come up with a bipartisan bill and he would sign it. He's a liar and all they can do is make excuses for his lies.

Family values? Liar and chief?

What a conundrum they must feel.

I love watching the Democrats showing the rest of the Country just how dumb they really are.

It's going to take a little time to catch up with you Trumpilians.

Thats your perogative ...

Troll u? ... ..

If by troll u meant being truthful ..