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This post is intended to explain how offenses differ, how they are the same, some of the reasoning behind different schemes, and some of the weaknesses each one has.

I am trying to explain just the basics and trying to simplify some very complex systems. What real NFL offenses use is many times more complex than what I am explaining. Just about every system in the NFL is a hybrid system with coaches stealing plays from other systems that they are exposed to during their careers. They adapt plays they like from other systems to fit in their system.

Some basic truths about offensive schemes.

  • The number one goal of any offense is to score points.
  • The best way to accomplish that goal is to exploit weaknesses in the defense.
  • Most offensive coaches will tell you that since the defense is forced to react, even a play ran into a defensive strength should work if executed properly.
  • Variety in any scheme is important to keep the opposing defense guessing. The more they have to guess, the more weaknesses they give you to exploit.
  • Defenses will try to confuse the offense into mistakes in execution by using exotic blitzes and coverage schemes.


It all started with Paul Brown


Okay, some may debate that statement, but not any Browns fan with a knowledge of the history of football would in my opinion. Paul took what was an unorganized game and gave it a playbook, formations, signals, etc... Paul Brown invented the first organized scheme.

Before Paul Brown, most offenses were built around two or three play makers. While there were some great passers out there, the rules at the time favored pass defenses and most teams saw the pass as something to keep defenses from selling out against the run. As a result, most teams usually had only one big receiving threat to keep defenses honest and relied on the run to win games. That all changed with Paul Brown.

With what became known as the Ohio River offense, Brown wanted to increase the number of threats that a defense had to focus on. Instead of 2 or 3, Brown wanted 4 or 5. The variety of threats opened up more defensive weaknesses for his offense to exploit. The rules were still against the offense when it came to passing, so Brown had his pass catchers running shorter routes in plays designed to allow them to run after the catch. The higher percentage of success of these plays kept defenses on their heels and allowed the running game to thrive. If Paul's organization was the main reason for his success, his ability to confuse defenses was a close second.

To close out this section, I want to note that Bill Walsh was one of Paul Brown's assistants and credited with the invention of the West Coast offense. A lot of football historians, including Bill Belichick think that the West Coast offense is just a repackaged version of the Ohio River Offense created by Paul Brown. I'll get into that more when I talk about the West Coast Offense later.

Post Paul Brown and Pre Modern Football

I don't want to go too in depth here. Brown actually coached into the mid 1970's and his assistants brought variations of his offense into offenses still being run today, so Brown's system really is alive and well today. It is important to note however that many other systems have come and gone in the NFL and really too many to list here. Parts of these systems were implemented into today's offenses and it would be remiss not to at least mention a few.

Smash Mouth football - It existed before Paul Brown and evolved as teams followed Brown's lead and created regimented plays to run the football the same way that Brown orchestrated his plays. Woody Hayes once said that "Three things can happen on a pass play and two are bad." It goes back to the pre Brown philosophy that the pass is there just to keep teams from selling out on the run. It is alive and well today, although not as emphasized because of the relaxed rules favoring the pass. Coaches running this system were Lombardi, Landry, Reeves, Ditka, Del Rio, Sparano, Rex Ryan and even Mike Mularky called his offense this year "exotic smash mouth". There is a little bit of Smash Mouth in every play book.

The option offense - This offense is used a lot in college and sometimes in the NFL when a team has a running QB. There are many variations, but the simplest one to explain is on a given play, the QB has an option to run or pass based on what the defense is giving to him. This scheme usually targets the action of a single player on defense. The QB decides which option he will take based on that action. It gets much more complex with pre read and post read double and triple options, but for our purposes here, the basic explanation gives you an idea. I think the option play is underutilized in the NFL and implementing a couple of these plays into any offense would really help teams with younger QB's. You can call an option play with the RB as the runner and don't need a mobile QB to do so. Allowing a QB to make a single read to run a play will help build his success rate and his confidence.

The Spread Offense- Another offense used much more in college than in the NFL. Many NFL teams have thrown some spread concepts into their playbooks however. Don Coryell was said to be heavily influenced by the spread system in making his own Air Coryell offense that we will talk about later. That means that Hue's system which is based on Coryell's also has some influence from the spread. There are tons of variations of the spread, but a key takeaway of the system is that it is designed to spread the defense horizontally to make defensive players cover more ground.

The Run and Shoot- You could almost call the Run and Shoot just one of the many variations of the Spread offense, but I think a better description of the scheme to be a hybrid of the Spread and an Option offense. The short explanation of the offense is you want to spread the defense horizontally and then run or pass based on how many players are in the box. Also a true Run and Shoot offense has the WR's adjust their routes based on the type of coverage the defense is in. Again not heavily used in the NFL other than some concepts included into playbooks, but it was heavily used by Wayne Fontes, Jerry Glanville, June Jones, and Kevin Gilbride.

The Pro Style Offense - I almost didn't include this because it is as more of a generic catch all than an organized scheme. It's like calling American cheese, cheese.(not really cheese) This label is often used when someone trying to figure an offensive scheme can't really figure it out. It's most likely a hybrid of different systems and since you see pro style formations, you call it a pro style offense.

The Modern offenses of today

I am introducing 3 basic systems. There are more than three and almost every system is a hybrid of different systems many of which I just mentioned above. The three basic modern systems are a base to most of the NFL offenses today though.

The West Coast Offense -
Okay, I briefly explained this offense already when I explained Paul Brown's offense. I think a quote from Bill Walsh will sum up the philosophy though. "When we gain 4 yards on a running play, the defense thinks it's getting beaten. When we gain 4 yards on a pass play, the defense thinks it's beating us. I'll take the 4 yards either way." (That quote isn't exact because I couldn't find it on the internet to copy it)

Most of the passing plays in a West Coast offense occur within 15 yards. The best QB for this offense needs to make quick decisions, be very accurate, and have really good ball placement. He does not necessarily need to have a big arm. The defense is stretched horizontally and the QB looks for the gaps that open up. The WR's are running in more traffic and catch passes that open them up to hits. Most coaches therefore look for bigger WR's that might be trading size for speed. Because of the quick passes, WR's also need to run very precise routes. A QB in this system is often making the throw as soon as he takes the last step of his drop and is expecting his WR to be in a precise spot. Most, but not all, West Coast schemes look for smaller and and more agile RB's that can catch the ball out of the backfield as well. This might be the second RB, but can often be the main RB.

The Air Coryell system -We currently use a version of this system. Where the West Coast tries to stretch the field horizontally, this system tries to stretch it vertically. The QB in this system needs a big arm. The longer developing plays mean the QB needs to be mobile, sturdy, or quick to get rid of the ball to avoid hits. The WR's need to be quick and able to adjust to a poorly thrown ball. Hue's system is more traditional and is designed to exploit a defense that should be back on it's heels with a power running game. The passing game trades the efficiency of the West Coast for the big play and running game is more efficient than the West Coast because the defense is guarding against the big play instead of tightly packed in the box. Did you notice that I said before that Coryell was inspired by spread offenses that spread the defense horizontally? That wasn't a mistake. He was. He used formations to stretch defenses horizontally before the play and then attacked them vertically after the snap. In fact most people don't know this but Coryell's offense was originally called the West Coast Offense before the name was hijacked by Walsh's offense. Someone in the media confused the pre-snap horizontal stretching of Coryell and the post snap horizontal stretching of Walsh and thought they were the same. It was corrected later, but the West Coast name stuck with Walsh and the new Air Coryell name was used to show the difference.

The Erhardt-Perkins system - This one is going to be more difficult to explain because it's more about the thought process behind it than the scheme. It's more about communication in the huddle and player responsibilities which I will explain more in depth later. It's origins are Smash Mouth football for the running game and the passing game is built on heavily utilizing play action passes. The key concept of this scheme is that it expects players to learn every possible assignment that they could have on a play. A WR not only needs to know what to do at the x,y, and z positions, but also what to do if he is lined up at the HB or TE spots as well. Some WR's struggled with this with Reggie Wayne and Chad Johnson being examples. Because of this, the system uses less verbiage in the huddle, but is more adaptable during the game to exploit match-ups. I am going to go into more depth when we get into the play calling verbiage, so if I have lost you here keep reading and you'll see what I mean later. This system was used by Parcells and Later BB. It has spread throughout the NFL and we have used it a few times with coaches Chris Palmer, Romeo Crennel, and Eric Mangini. The high learning curve for players and short careers for these coaches did not mesh well unfortunately. The QB in this system needs to be smart and needs to sell the fake. The RB's and WR's need to be smart as well for the reasons mentioned above. Other than that, this system is highly adaptable to the players that you have which I will get into more later.

Okay, believe it or not. This is just the introduction and became a lot more wordy than I thought it would be at the start. I really wanted to at least give a brief history of how the NFL arrived where it's at right now though.

The next post will go more in depth with comparing the three systems so it might be a good idea to hold questions until after that post. I have a feeling it will clear up a lot of questions. I was inspired to do this by some confusion in the OC thread and put quite a bit of effort into it, so hopefully this post doesn't drop like a rock.

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Paul Brown was a hero of mine...amazing coach.
Also he was the first to bring in plays...at the time QBs made all their calls. He had revolving OGs brining in the plays.

Just so many changes he made to the game. Walsh gets so much credit but all he did was tweak Paul Brown's philosophies as he was a student of Paul Brown. Play action pass I think was brought in by him. Many inovations...heck my pet peeve is that we basically haven't changed the Helmet since he did, we just improved it but we need a better product that protects and doesn't have the hard shell to eliminate the injuries that the helmet make with impact!

I could go on for hours. But yes Paul Brown was the Master of it all!!! And not Homer stuff!


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I totally agree tab and could do a novel just on Paul Brown. He was that innovative.

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Thanks to a really good suggestion from CHS I'm reserving a couple of spots in the thread so things don't get lost mix.

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I was thinking of reciprocating and turning this into a Hue thread like you guys constantly do on every other thread, but I decided to not lower myself to that level.

I think this is a pretty good article and it might help aide the conversation:

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NFL1000: Ranking the Best Offensive Schemes
Doug Farrar
July 5, 2017

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When we talk about what makes great coaches valuable to their teams, we could be talking about any number of things. Some coaches are alpha motivators who can take their players and make them do things they didn't think possible through the sheer force of their will and the ability to get everyone around them to buy in.

Other coaches are great CEOs—they view the entire organization from above, even and especially their own roles, and those coaches fill their rosters, coaching staffs and front offices with the right people for every job.

But mostly, when we think of great coaches throughout NFL history, we think of the coaches who developed schematic innovations that took their teams to higher levels and made the game better because they weren't afraid to innovate. They also understood how to take those innovations to the field before they even happened. Vince Lombardi was fond of saying that he never put a play in the playbook before he had seen the successful execution of the play in his mind at every position, from start to finish.

In today's NFL, not every schematic genius is an innovator. Most aren't, in fact, and that's OK. Innovation is great, but execution is far more important. You can only invent so much, and the league's 32 coaching staffs are looking to get the edge on all the other coaching staffs at any given time. What the best play designers must do for their teams is understand their personnel and marry that personnel to their playbooks. It's important to note that marrying personnel to scheme is the way to success—not the other way around.

If you have a bunch of smaller, quicker linemen who excel in zone and you insist on running gap power to the detriment of your offense, or you have a group of small receivers who cut angles and run option routes like experts and you miscast them in a vertical offense, it's nobody's fault but yours when it doesn't work out.

The best offensive schemes in the NFL have two things in common: They work more often than they don't because the playbook and players match up, and the people who put those plays in motion are flexible enough to create new plays for personnel when rosters change, which they do all the time.

Here are 10 of the best offensive schemes in the NFL today—concepts that win consistently no matter the opponent.

10. Miami's Numbers Game
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Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase has an impressive history of designing and helping to design offenses and deploying players in those offenses, and his quarterbacks always benefit. In Denver, he was Tim Tebow's quarterbacks coach in 2011, and it was his and offensive coordinator Mike McCoy's first-read-open offenses that allowed Tebow to be successful in the NFL for a brief series of moments. Gase was Denver's offensive coordinator in 2013 when the Broncos finished first in points and yards and Peyton Manning threw for an NFL-record 55 touchdowns in the regular season.

Hired as the Bears' offensive coordinator in 2015, Gase helped Jay Cutler post a career-high 92.3 passer rating. It wasn't possible to completely remove Cutler's randomness, but Gase had Cutler playing more within a system, avoiding deep, risky throws when they weren't warranted.

Gase's next step was to take over the Dolphins as head coach in 2016 and tutor another physically gifted quarterback in Ryan Tannehill who had not yet reached his potential. Tannehill played quarterback just two years at Texas A&M (he was a receiver before that), and he cycled through a series of offensive coordinators in his first four seasons. Under Gase last season, Tannehill set career highs in completion percentage (67.1), touchdown percentage (4.9) and yards per attempt (7.7) before he missed the last three games of the season with a partially torn ACL.

Gase's secret to success is that he doesn't have one scheme. Instead, he takes just as liberally from West Coast offensive philosophies as he does from Air Coryell concepts. The idea in a Gase offense is always to create matchup advantages through pre-snap motion, flood concepts in which there are more receivers than defenders to a side, and first-read openings that allow quarterbacks to have easy hot routes when things aren't right on more advanced routes.

Tannehill's three touchdown passes against the Cardinals in Week 14—his final game of the season—showed Gase's schematic imagination. There was a 28-yard seam route to Kenny Stills in which Stills went in motion from right to left before the snap and settled in a wider formation to stretch the defense and create a one-on-one matchup outside. There was a goal-line touchdown pass to tight end Dion Sims in which Sims motioned back to the formation from a right-side trips set and ran a pick play to the outside with receiver Jarvis Landry staying inside to get separation.

Then there was a short touchdown pass to running back Damien Williams in which Gase called another trips right formation, only to use those three receivers to clear out the man defenders and force a linebacker to catch up to Williams outside.

In each case, Gase established the numbers advantage with his play calls.

Gase believes just as much in analytics as he does in old-school ideas, and in many ways he appears to be the prototype for the new kind of coach who will best succeed in the NFL—listen to your players, game-plan for each opponent differently and don't get too stuck in one concept.

9. Washington's Vertical Passing Combinations
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In 2016, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins was one of the best and most efficient deep passers in the NFL, completing 39 of 82 passes 20 yards in the air and longer for a league-leading 1,359 yards, 11 touchdowns and just three interceptions, per Pro Football Focus.

This came as a surprise to most who had watched Cousins through his time at Michigan State and into the start of his NFL career. Cousins looked more like an Alex Smith-style game manager with football smarts but a limited arm and mechanical issues that would upend his productivity.

Cousins deserves kudos for streamlining his delivery, but the real story behind Cousins' deep-throwing acumen is the deep route concepts implemented by head coach Jay Gruden and former offensive coordinator Sean McVay, now the Rams head coach.

Gruden is a West Coast offense coach at his roots; one would expect nothing less from Jon Gruden's brother. You'll see all kinds of screens and short angle routes in the Redskins playbook. But Gruden is not shy about utilizing his receivers in different ways. Over time, and especially when he had DeSean Jackson on the field, Gruden got creative with deeper route combinations. Double deep posts in which a receiver and tight end would bookend each other downfield, go and deep over combination routes all over the field…Gruden and McVay would stop at nothing to exploit mismatches in coverage.

Perhaps the most effective idea Washington's coaching brain trust had in recent times was their use of Jackson as a decoy, especially from the slot. Even when he wasn't Cousins' target, Jackson could flip coverage and force defenses to over-correct to his deep speed. If he ran a straight deep route, at least one cornerback or one safety would have to follow him, and probably both. If he ran an out route from the inside or vice versa, it would create one-on-one matchups favorable to Washington's other receivers.

With Jackson gone to the Buccaneers and second receiver Pierre Garcon off to the 49ers, Gruden will be tested as a play designer. But no matter who he has on the field, Gruden will find ways to match the West Coast philosophy with deeper route combinations because he's one of the best in the business when it comes to drawing them up.

8. Seattle's Orchestrated Chaos
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When you combine a mobile quarterback and the worst offensive line in the NFL, you're going to see a lot of quarterback sacks, hits and hurries. That's certainly been true for Russell Wilson throughout his career with the Seattle Seahawks. Last season, per Pro Football Focus, Wilson was pressured on 42.4 percent of his dropbacks (261 of 628), fifth-highest in the NFL. But when pressured, he completed 53.3 percent of his passes for a league-leading 1,560 yards, 10 touchdowns and five picks.

The reason Wilson is the most prolific passer under pressure is Seattle's acceptance that pressure is a given with their offensive line philosophy (get 'em cheap and coach 'em up), so offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell and his staff have built the randomness that comes from scramble throws into the playbook.

More than most teams with mobile quarterbacks, the Seahawks have a system in place for when Wilson breaks the pocket and starts improvising. As a result, it's less an improvisation and more like the football equivalent of a jazz standard in which the players start off with a structure and then blast off into another stratosphere.

When Wilson drops the called play and starts running around, his receivers have to adapt to what is essentially a post-snap audible—they need to run different routes based on Wilson's direction. Doug Baldwin became one of the best deep receivers in the NFL in part because he's so adept at switching his routes to match Wilson.

"The challenge is more that you have an athletic quarterback who trusts his athleticism more than he trusts staying in the pocket," Baldwin told me in 2015. "It happens a lot, so we as receivers have to be experts—not only on our route-running ability, but also on scramble rules. ... We adjust our routes accordingly to mirror the quarterback's movements into an open area."

It wouldn't work for a lot of quarterbacks, and it doesn't excuse Seattle's questionable-at-best offensive line, but this particular brand of orchestrated chaos is effective because it matches scheme to personnel—Wilson's ability to throw on the move and the intelligence of his receivers.

7. Kansas City's Tight End Isolation
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Chiefs head coach and play designer Andy Reid has long been an acolyte of the West Coast offense, going back to his days as an assistant to Mike Holmgren in Green Bay in the 1990s. He took that offensive structure to Philadelphia in 1999 and created one of the league's most prolific offenses over the next 14 years. Fired by the Eagles in late 2012, Reid landed with the Chiefs in 2013 and set about redesigning Kansas City's offense.

While Reid sticks to a lot of the standard West Coast ideas—the flexible running back and specific slant/post route combinations are notable in his offenses—he has had a couple of wild cards. When he had deep receivers in Philly, Reid would call specific deep routes for guys like DeSean Jackson to affect coverages.

The challenge in Kansas City is different because quarterback Alex Smith is a risk-averse player who has never had a great deep arm. He can throw those passes occasionally (15 completions in 46 attempts for 521 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions on passes thrown 20 or more yards in the air in 2016, per Pro Football Focus), but it's not a staple of the offense. Reid is smart enough to know he shouldn't strain the potential of his offense by asking his quarterback to do things he really can't.

When your quarterback is limited in some way—and most quarterbacks are—part of the adaptation is to task the players around him to do more. Specifically, you ask them to do more in ways that help the quarterback and maximize the things he does well. Smith is a veteran with a penchant for film study and excellent recognition on the field. He views matchups well and goes through his progressions.

One of the most important things Reid has done to help Smith is to make tight end Travis Kelce a major component of the passing offense. Last season, Kelce was the most effective yards-after-catch receiver in the league with 1,125 total receiving yards and 653 after the catch, per SportingCharts.com. Kelce gets open over the middle in standard tight end positions (in the formation and in the slot) with his size and physical ability, but Reid throws in a wrinkle when he deploys Kelce in the "Y-Iso" position, essentially using his tight end as an outside receiver.

From here, Kelce can run a slant or post depending on the depth of the coverage, or he can be a decoy as the Chiefs run inside or outside zone while the linebackers and secondary are preoccupied with Kelce.

"Anytime you have a formation that you're not doing multiple things out of, you know, it's not going to take very long for defensive coordinators to figure it out," Smith told Robert Klemko of The MMQB last July about the "Y-Iso" concept. "The reason that we're able to live in that formation is that we run the ball so well out of it."

Taking what used to be an outlier formation and making it a staple of your offense to offset your quarterback's limitations? That's good coaching.

6. Pittsburgh's Inside and Outside Zone Run Game
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There's little question Pittsburgh's Le'Veon Bell is the most productive and versatile running back in the game today. In 2016, while starting just 12 games, he racked up 1,268 yards on 261 carries, adding 75 receptions on 94 targets for 616 yards. Bell's vision, patience and speed to and through the gaps make him special, but veteran DeAngelo Williams also gained 343 yards on just 98 carries, including a 143-yard game in the season opener against the Redskins when Bell was out.

While Bell is unquestionably a franchise back in any offense, there's something else going on here. That would be the Steelers' offensive line coach, Mike Munchak.

The former Titans head coach and Hall of Fame guard for the Houston Oilers joined the Steelers staff in 2014, and Pittsburgh's run-blocking has improved drastically on his watch. The team ranked 22nd in Football Outsiders' Adjusted Line Yards metric in 2013, jumped up to sixth in Munchak's first season and ranked second behind the Saints last season. Bell's ascent is a part of that equation, but he was drafted in 2013, and he's benefited as much as anyone from Munchak's expertise.

The Steelers alternated between gap and zone schemes before Munchak's hire, but he had the line commit completely to zone concepts, and it's worked out well for all involved.

"It's not very hard to do; just like anything, it's repetition," Munchak said of his outside zone ideas in an April 2014 interview with Missi Matthews of Steelers.com (via Steelers Depot). "It gives the back a three-way go. He's going to read a certain block and he's either going to bounce that ball outside or he's going to take it back inside, so he has a way of making us look good real quickly once the running back gets used to the schemes we're running. There's a lot of ways you can play around with the backside and change the blocking schemes to give the defense something to think about constantly."

Moreover, it works just as well with a slashing, one-cut runner like Williams as it does with a patient gap-reader like Bell. Bell is at his best when he's able to wait for the openings at the line of scrimmage; at the same time, he's reading the linebackers and deciding where he's going at the second level. Because Munchak has the right kinds of athletic blockers, he's able to marry his own concepts to personnel.

It's not just been successful—Mike Munchak's blocking schemes have become the fulcrum of Pittsburgh's offense, one of the most productive and explosive in the league.

5. Buffalo's Diverse Run Game
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Greg Roman isn't one of the most prominently known assistant coaches in the NFL, but he's a name to know for connoisseurs of the run game. He was Jim Harbaugh's offensive coordinator at Stanford and with the 49ers, and he took that same position with the Bills in 2015. Roman's run-game schemes have always been multiple and effective; his San Francisco and Buffalo teams never ranked lower than eighth in total rushing, and the Bills ranked first in that category in each of his two seasons.

However, Buffalo fired Roman just two games into the 2016 season, replacing him with then-running backs coach and now-Los Angeles Chargers head coach Anthony Lynn. According to Alex Marvez of Sporting News, this happened because the Bills' front office wanted then-head coach Rex Ryan to exact a "significant change" to appease the team's fanbase. Lynn installed some zone concepts of his own, but the power run game was Roman's in his absence to a great degree.

With a week left in the 2016 season, the Bills fired Ryan. Less than a month later, they hired Sean McDermott in his place. Former Broncos and Texans assistant Rick Dennison, who made his bones teaching the Alex Gibbs style of zone blocking popularized in Denver in the 1990s, became the team's new offensive coordinator. While that's a great style, Dennison may want to implement some gap concepts as well; otherwise, he won't have a run game as diverse as what the Bills had.

I first detailed Roman's run game in 2013, a few days before the 49ers came up short in Super Bowl XLVII. At the time, I was impressed with the ways in which this offense mixed zone blocking, more old-school counter/power/trap stuff, and the kinds of zone blocking optimized for a mobile quarterback. With Tyrod Taylor as his quarterback in 2016, and LeSean McCoy and Mike Gillislee as his primary backs, the Bills had the chess pieces to do similar things. Gillislee is now in New England, however, and Jonathan Williams is the likely replacement for him in the power-back role.

Despite the team's 7-9 record and deposed coaching staff, Buffalo's run game wasn't the problem in 2016. Taylor presented a difficult problem for defenses with his ability to run to the edge and occupy defensive ends, while the McCoy-Gillislee duo was a perfect speed/power combination. According to Pro Football Focus, the 2016 Bills ranked first in outside zone runs at 5.73 yards per carry, first in inside zone runs at 5.38 yards per carry and first in straight gap (man-on-man) runs at 5.23 yards per carry. Lynn marshaled that rushing attack through most of the season, but he built off Roman's ideas.

This isn't to say Dennison won't be successful with the level of talent he has, even though Gillislee is now with the Patriots. It's more that the previous regime's success in the run game will be hard to replicate. Roman is now the Ravens' senior offensive assistant and tight ends coach, though you can expect him to have a hand in the run game as well.

4. Tennessee's "Exotic Smashmouth" Offense
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When Titans head coach Mike Mularkey called his offense "exotic smashmouth" before the 2016 season, it was hard for some to take him seriously. Mularkey hasn't ever been successful as a head coach, going 14-18 with the Bills in 2004 and 2005 and finishing 2-14 with the 2012 Jaguars. He replaced Ken Whisenhunt halfway through the 2015 season as the team's interim coach and was named to the position on a full-time basis for 2016.

Since the Titans finished 28th in total points in 2015, anything Mularkey said about the positive prospects of his future offense was going to be taken as a load of…well, you know.

But Mularkey was on to something. He had seen the Titans personnel enough to know what he had—a dynamic, mobile and consistently improving quarterback in Marcus Mariota, a productive tight end in Delanie Walker and a receiver group that hadn't done much but had potential. The additions of running backs DeMarco Murray via free agency and Derrick Henry through the draft would help, and the franchise's resolve to improve the offensive line with draft picks, especially tackles Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin, would prove essential to Mularkey's power-based schemes.

When I reviewed Mularkey's offense in November for NFL1000, I was specifically impressed by the diversity of concept—the coach was using his tight ends for everything from deep seam routes to advanced blocking schemes to fakes off the formation. In addition, the running game set up the run-action aspect of Tennessee's blocking schemes—when blockers fire out as if they're run-blocking when they're actually pass-blocking, further flustering enemy defenses.

In 2016, the differences were impressive. Using as many as three tight ends in base formations, the Titans stretched the field with diverse route concepts and set defenses up with heavy pre-snap motion. Sending receivers in motion also gave Mariota a better idea of what defenses were doing before he took the ball, which helped his field reads.

A 3-13 team in 2015, the Titans improved to 9-7 in 2016, and now they look very much like a possible playoff team. They rose to 14th in points scored last season, and that could go up in 2017, especially if draft picks like Western Michigan receiver Corey Smith and Florida International tight end Jonnu Smith contribute.

Mike Mularkey wasn't kidding when he talked about "exotic smashmouth," and now the rest of the NFL knows to take him seriously.

3. Dallas' Option Running Game
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The Cowboys have been one of the NFL's better-drafting teams over the last half-decade, an impressive turnaround after years of Jerry Jones' impatience. It seems that as son Stephen Jones takes over more of Dallas' personnel side, things are looking up.

Certainly they were looking up in 2016 when Dallas selected its franchise running back and franchise quarterback in the same draft. Ohio State's Ezekiel Elliott, the fourth overall pick, was a no-brainer at running back. But the value Dallas got by selecting Mississippi State quarterback Dak Prescott in the fourth round with the 135th overall pick was astonishing.

Offensive coordinator Scott Linehan brought Prescott along slowly in the passing game, saving the deeper routes for later in the season, but he had reason to believe that Prescott, Elliott and the Cowboys' top-notch offensive line could be a real pain to opposing defenses in the option game.

Prescott rushed just 57 times in his rookie season, but he got maximum value out of those runs, gaining 282 yards and scoring six touchdowns. The threat of Prescott as a runner gave Elliott opportunities he wouldn't have had otherwise because defenses had to key on them both as runners.

When Prescott took the ball, especially near the goal line, the theory was often simple: Read the defense, and if it didn't look optimal to give Elliott the ball, Prescott would take it himself after faking to Elliott. As the interior defenders bit on the inside fake, Prescott would use his speed to get outside and gain extra yardage. At other times, he would drop back to pass, see clear rushing lanes and take the ball right through them.

It wasn't a complex set of schemes, but those schemes were highly effective—and as Prescott continues to develop as a passer, they should be even more effective because defenses will have to worry about the passing game as well.

Eventually, the Cowboys would be wise to focus more on Prescott's passing given the injury rate for running quarterbacks. For now, it's good for Linehan and the rest of Dallas' coaching staff to know that while his development happens, Prescott is a key cog in what looks to be the most effective option package in the NFL today.

2. New England's Option Routes
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One of the primary reasons the Patriots are the most effective team of the new millennium is that they don't adhere to any one scheme or set of schemes. Instead, they game-plan for every opponent they face. While that's part of the job of every coaching staff, Bill Belichick has become the master at opponent adjustments to his playbook.

Depending on the opponent, you'll see everything from two-back power formations with two tight ends to spread formations with four and five receivers. Belichick, Tom Brady and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels are so in tune with their roster that they're able to throw anything they want at opponents while maximizing the talents of their players.

But if there's one constant in New England's offensive playbook over the last few years, it's the option route. Option routes start as "normal" routes, but at a certain point, the receiver is tasked to break on his route in reaction to what the defense is doing. They've been around for decades but really came into the NFL with Mouse Davis and the run-and-shoot Detroit Lions of the 1980s and early 1990s.

Part of the run-and-shoot playbook was the insistence that receivers break their routes in reaction to the actions of the defenders. The run-and-shoot may not have stayed in the NFL as a base concept, but option routes did—and the Patriots run more of them more effectively than any other NFL team.

I first wrote about New England's option route usage in 2012 and discovered that the Patriots system was complex enough that some of the most talented receivers in the game couldn't adhere to the concept and were sent packing.

"I have to trust in Deion [Branch] and Wes [Welker] and all those guys out there to be in the right spot so I can play fast and anticipate what they're doing," Brady told reporters in May 2012. "If everyone is not on the same page, then it doesn't work. A lot of what these practices are about is everybody getting on the same page."

It's especially hard because every receiver has to know his option breaks—and there are usually more than one—while Brady has to keep all the options for every receiver in his head. If he has a receiver who doesn't understand the concept, the offense doesn't work, and the receiver is gone.

Julian Edelman gets it. Danny Amendola gets it. Rob Gronkowski gets it. We'll see whether Brandin Cooks, the former Saints receiver acquired by the Patriots in a predraft trade, gets it. Cooks ran elements of the West Coast offense at Oregon State, and Sean Payton's route concepts are some of the most complicated in the NFL, but Cooks—like every other new Patriots receiver—will have to get aligned with the option route.

1. Kyle Shanahan's Pre-Snap Passing Game
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Kyle Shanahan's Atlanta Falcons offense was the NFL's most effective through just about the entire 2016 NFL season (minus two quarters or so of Super Bowl action, of course), and there are multiple aspects of that offense Shanahan will take to the Bay Area as he gets ready for his first head coach position with the 49ers.

Shanahan prefers a mobile quarterback, or at least a quarterback who can run play-action and then roll out. It took a while for Matt Ryan to align with Shanahan's "boot-action" concepts, but when he did, there was an entirely new dimension to his game. Shanahan prefers inside and outside zone blocking, though his blockers will run man-on-man gap schemes at times, and he will send receivers to all levels of the field.

However, when I watched the Falcons take the NFC by storm in 2016—and the New England Patriots by storm for three-and-a-half quarters of the Super Bowl—it became clear to me that Atlanta's pre-snap movement was the most diverse in the league and unquestionably the most effective.

Many teams use motion to help the quarterback discern whether a defense is playing man or zone, and some teams are especially good as using motion to gain positional advantages (Dolphins head coach Adam Gase, also profiled in this piece, is an excellent example). But under Shanahan's watch, pre-snap motion becomes a crazy quilt in which any skill position player can start anywhere and move anywhere else.

The motion concepts were simpler in 2015, Shanahan's first year with the team. They were generally about moving a tight end or receiver from one end of the formation to the other. In 2016, when his players had a season to comprehend everything, Shanahan opened up the playbook.

Running backs Devonta Freeman and Tevin Coleman might start in the backfield together and each move into the receiver group—perhaps one in the slot and one outside. A Shanahan staple was to take fullback Patrick DiMarco and move him from the backfield to the outside receiver formation—something fullbacks don't generally do. But DiMarco caught seven passes for 52 yards in the regular season and three more for 43 yards in the playoffs, and he never carried the ball. He was a blocker and receiver, and that was that.

Tight end motion is also a big thing in a Shanahan offense—not only to reveal a defense's coverage plan by showing how defenders move with motion or don't, but also to group the tight end with other receivers in Atlanta's Levels (multiple receivers to different levels on one side of the field) and Flood (multiple receivers to a defined area) plays.

With all this motion going on, and since Shanahan refused to let his offense ever be defined as static, running lanes would open for Freeman and Coleman precisely because defenses were set on their heels by the changes in pre-snap formation and the subsequent expansion of the passing game.

Shanahan won't have the same level of talent to work with in San Francisco—he's in charge of a team that's rebuilding on all levels. But once his new roster gets the hang of his pre-snap ideas, don't be surprised if those players achieve unexpected gains.

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Feel free! This thread is kind of about Hue anyway. I put up with all of those comments about Sashi, I can do the same with Hue.

Thanks for the article as it does show how concepts are stolen from one scheme and added to another quite nicely.

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Nah, I'll take the higher road and not ruin a good thread because others have ruined other good threads.

I thought that article would be a good addition to your thread, which I think is a very good thread. I applaud your effort.

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Good stuff, DD. I was a big fan of Walsh and his system, I sort of missed the Paul Brown era doing other things but Montana's first year as a starter, when he went 2-14, you could tell something special was about to happen. The next year Walsh and Montana exploded onto the scene and the rest is history. It was around that time I learned Walsh was a protege of Paul Brown, and discovered how responsible PB was for modern football. That was one of the things that helped solidify my love for the Browns during my early fan years.

I was also a fan of Fouts and Don Coryell. Those teams were a blast to watch because of the wide open schemes. They usually had three good receivers and Winslow at tight end.

I like to see hybrid offenses that use bits from the West Coast, Air Coryell, Smash Mouth, and Play Action. Those systems combined give enough options to thwart any defense. And a good coach will know how heavily to lean on one system or the other based on the defenses they face.

I appreciate you going through this stuff. Very useful.

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Good post, and good added article, one question, can we go back to a smash mouth offense, buck the trend of all the passing in the nfl nowadays? Run the ball and play great defense, that’s my style.....

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Good post, and good added article, one question, can we go back to a smash mouth offense, buck the trend of all the passing in the nfl nowadays? Run the ball and play great defense, that’s my style.....


I prefer that we become an offense that can do either at will so that no matter a defense's strengths we can counter whatever they do.


Browns is the Browns

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No, I understand that. I’m just old school. Give me a power back, 4 yards and a cloud of dust. Win games like 13-7.

Don’t see smash mouth ever really working in today’s modern NFL.

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Part 2

Apparently there is a time limit to editing a post, so my apologies but this will have to go here.

How to build an offensive scheme
  • First you need an overall philosophy. You need to explain the situation that you are trying to create with both the run and the pass. A player needs to understand his part in that scheme and how his part meshes with what other players are doing.
  • You next need a language that communicates what you want your players to do. It must be simple enough for your players to understand and yet complex enough to be kept secret from the defense.
  • You need to find, create and exploit weaknesses in the defense.
  • You need to disguise what you are doing to the defense and force the defense into mistakes.
  • You need to be able to vary formations and personnel for any particular play to avoid predictability.

There's probably more that I didn't think of, and I am sure others will add a few things that I missed, but that is the basic gist of it. So let's look at how the three different systems deal with the above. Don't forget that all of these offenses are hybrids so there will be variations from what I say here.

The overall philosophy

West Coast - A pure west coast system is high in efficiency. You want high percentage passes in the passing game and prefer several short gains to one big gain in a play that carries more risk. You throw deeper than that only to keep defenses honest and to exploit when they aren't. You would prefer a quick RB to bigger one one in most cases even though you are usually facing more men in the box. The quick passes force the LB's to be slower in reacting to a run and stretching the defense horizontally widens the gaps and a quicker back can exploit those facts easier. A quicker back that can catch can also aid in the passing game.
Now some weaknesses... An aggressive defense can quickly fill both running and passing lanes forcing your QB to cough up the ball or take the sack. The shorter 3 step and 5 step drops make it harder to escape the pocket to throw the ball away. A more mobile QB may overcome this weakness though. The quicker passes mean that a QB is throwing into tighter windows and a defensive player reading the QB's eyes can more easily intercept. A WR running an imprecise route cause the same result. The quick efficiency requires perfection to a point that it breaks down when things aren't as perfect.

Air Coryell - You trade the WC efficiency for the threat of that big play that deflates the defense. That threat increases your run efficiency because more of the defense is farther away from the hole you are running through. The quicker RB is traded for the bigger back because running through tacklers at the second level is more effective in this scheme than trying to race past LB's before they can react.
Some weaknesses here are... Slow opening plays. If your o-line is not up to snuff, this can get your QB killed. The high risk nature of the plays also mean more turnovers with an inexperienced QB or a QB determined to force the ball. It also suffers a flaw in that it requires athletic perfection. If your QB gets hurt, does his back-up have the same arm? If that big power RB gets hurt, can his back-up do the same things. If your LT gets hurt, will your QB have the same amount of time? If you manage to invest enough in your offense to have the needed depth, do you have anything left to invest in the defense?

The Erhardt-Perkins system -
Okay I'm painting with a very wide brush here because again there isn't really a pure Erhardt-Perkins system like there is with the other two systems. Like I said before, this is more of a communications system and you could really run just about any system under it. I promise I'm talking about the communication system next so stick with me. For purposes of continuity though I am sticking to my earlier philosophy of a smash mouth running game and a play action passing game, and just adding a couple of tweaks to it to be more accurate. The Erhardt-Perkins system requires less perfection athletically than the Air Coryell and less perfection in the precision movement and timing of the West Coast but more perfection in knowing your job and the jobs of the others around you. Words in plays are more concepts than they are directions like in the other two systems. These one word concepts make it easier to change the play on the fly and to adapt to what the defense gives you. Erhardt was a prime believer in "Pass to score, run to win". We are going to run the ball down your throat and when you commit to stopping that, we are going to exploit the weakness you just created. We have pass catchers changing routes based on the coverage you are using and often have pass catchers short, medium and long range at the same time. We are going to have somebody catching a pass in the spot you just vacated to stop the run.
The weaknesses... When you are a smash mouth running team, and the run isn't working, it's hard to create those mismatches in the passing game. When your WR's all have to read the defense and base their routes on what they see, they all need to see the same thing. When you run to pass and the QB doesn't sell the fake well in play-action, the defense isn't going to be fooled. Young players have more to learn in this system and need more time before they can contribute.

The language - Parlez vous counter trey?

It today’s modern NFL, where everybody steals from everyone else and combines elements of a different scheme into their own, the biggest clue about the root origin of an offense is the language it uses. There could be two, three, or four different systems combined into a playbook, but the way they call the plays usually stays constant from the first system. The reason for this is because, like you learned in high school, it’s difficult to learn a new language and become fluent in it. This is true for both coaches and players. I predict this will eventually change when it becomes more of a necessity for coaches to do so and we are almost to that point as I will explain in just a bit.

There is a ton of info that a coach needs to convey to his offense very quickly. On running plays, the team needs to know; the formation, any motion needed, the blocking scheme for the line, the player getting the ball and the hole he needs to run through. On passing plays; it’s the formation, any motions, if there is any play action, the pass protection, the routes for every potential target, and the drop of the QB. Many coaches add even more information than this and often more than one play is called in the huddle.

While the wording between coaches in the same scheme will vary, most coaches that know the scheme can usually figure out another coaches verbiage the same that way someone that speaks Portuguese can understand a lot of Spanish.

West Coast - The play calling here is the closest to Paul Brown’s original system and for those of you that played football in school, the closest to what you were probably taught as well. It’s color, number, concept, just with a lot more info added in. To save space here I’m going to have you click the link explaining the play

“Brown Right F Short 2 Jet Flanker Drive”
https://www.hogshaven.com/2012/4/8/29333...t-flanker-drive

The short version:
Brown Right = The Formation
F Short = The motion of the FB
2 Jet = The pass protection type
Flanker Drive = The routes the WR’s are running

Please click on that link above for a much longer and more detailed explanation though. It is worth the read.

Problems with the verbiage in the West Coast:
Turn your volume on before you play the video

Way too much verbiage! Can you imagine a West Coast QB having to call multiple plays in the huddle? Can you imagine keeping that entire play call in your head while doing your pre snap reads and your post snap reads?

Air Coryell - The makers of this offense saw the verbiage problem in the West Coast and solved it in a unique way. They numbered every route on the route tree 1- 9 and used a three digit number to tell the WR’s where to go. 932 means one WR runs a 9 route, one runs a 3 route and one runs a 2 route. Easy peezy right? You literally tell the WR’s what they need to do on every play. Let’s look at a play.

“Split right, scat right, 545 F post.”
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/3/25/4146894/nfl-getting-vertical-with-the-air-coryell-offense

Split Right = The Formation
Scat Right = The Protection
545 = The Routes
F Post = The F player runs a post play

The Problems:
Did you notice that F post part? Well those numbers don’t tell the 4th and 5th wrs what to do and since those can be different positions in different formations, you have to name both the position and route for each one. The Air Coryell verbiage has become almost as bad as the West Coast verbiage since 4 and 5 WR sets are plenty.

With the NFL trying to speed up the game and the play calls getting longer and longer, coaches will eventually be forced to make some language changes in the two schemes above.

Erhardt-Perkins- I’ve been leading up to this one for a while. Instead of calling out numbers or route names, this system uses concepts. Each play has a name and that name invokes an image in each players mind. Any concept can be ran in any formation or set. The roles of different players change but the overall concept stays identical. You can make one play look like 100 with 100 different formations.

Let’s look at the ghost/tosser concepts


This is actually 2 concepts.

The ghost concept is the 3 route concept. The outside WR runs a go. The innermost wr runs to the flat. The middle WR runs a stick route.

The tosser concept uses double slants. Notice how even though everyone’s jobs change, the routes for the QB to throw to are exactly the same.

Slot Hat = The HB Motion
72 vs 73 flips the play
The only other verbiage in the play is the formation.

This system makes a no-huddle offense much easier as well, with one and two word concepts easily communicated.
The problem is what I’ve already mentioned. It has a steep learning curve for all the pass catchers. The NE system is especially daunting for them because the WR’s run option routes, where their route changes depending on how they are covered as well.

The magic - How to take what the defense gives you.

All 3 schemes use motion to figure out what coverage scheme the defense is in.

The West Coast offense is waiting for the LBs to freeze anticipating the quick pass and for their speedy RB to blow past them before they can react.

The Air Coryell offense is hoping for a defense back on its heels, so it’s big power back can break tackles at the second level.

The E/P system is hoping to force the defense into the box so it’s QB can exploit it over the the top with a play action pass.

Now all 3 systems have Frakensteined into many different systems with different goals but this was the origin of each. When you start throwing in some spread, run and shoot, option schemes ect..., you are just trying to find more ways to exploit a defense and more ways to hide your true goals on any given Sunday.

The art of disguise -

West Coast - Use speed to your advantage. Have passing plays that look identical to running plays. These quick plays force the LB’s to freeze wondering if a play is run or pass.

Air Coryell - Stretch that defense and use delays, slow screens, slow sneaks etc… to exploit a defense too far away to react.

E/P - Old school! Instead of stretching the defense, compress it. Once that defense starts filling the box, then throw over the top of it.

Don't be predictable -

All of the above mix in other concepts and schemes to avoid predictability. Sometimes these are forever mixed into the system, sometimes it’s just for a single game to exploit something that they see. Sometimes there are drastic changes in scheme from year to year to match current personnel and sometimes there is a minor tweak to take advantage of a player with a different skill set.

Offenses today are a lot different than offenses of 20 years ago which were a lot different than the ones 20 years prior. When a system becomes predictable, defenses evolve to stop it. Offense then have to evolve to become less predictable. This constant evolution on both sides of the ball created the innovations that we see today.



Okay, I’m not sure but I might have one more addition to this if I can come up with enough content. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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Originally Posted By: dean_fairchild
Good post, and good added article, one question, can we go back to a smash mouth offense, buck the trend of all the passing in the nfl nowadays? Run the ball and play great defense, that’s my style.....


You can run smash mouth with any of the three systems and it is a good match for the Air Coryell that is looking for a power back anyway. The big problem is that all the investments that you have to make on offense and for depth make it difficult to also make investments in an elite defense.

I hope that answers your question.

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Good post, and good added article, one question, can we go back to a smash mouth offense, buck the trend of all the passing in the nfl nowadays? Run the ball and play great defense, that’s my style.....


You can run smash mouth with any of the three systems and it is a good match for the Air Coryell that is looking for a power back anyway. The big problem is that all the investments that you have to make on offense and for depth make it difficult to also make investments in an elite defense.

I hope that answers your question.


I am curious what type of offense do the Steelers run now? It seems to me that the AFC north teams(Ravens and Steelers) have won superbowl titles with elite defenses more so than offenses. The Steelers have not had an elite defense for some time especially their secondary and they seem to lose in shootouts in the post season.

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Originally Posted By: dean_fairchild
Good post, and good added article, one question, can we go back to a smash mouth offense, buck the trend of all the passing in the nfl nowadays? Run the ball and play great defense, that’s my style.....


You can run smash mouth with any of the three systems and it is a good match for the Air Coryell that is looking for a power back anyway. The big problem is that all the investments that you have to make on offense and for depth make it difficult to also make investments in an elite defense.

I hope that answers your question.


I am curious what type of offense do the Steelers run now? It seems to me that the AFC north teams(Ravens and Steelers) have won superbowl titles with elite defenses more so than offenses. The Steelers have not had an elite defense for some time especially their secondary and they seem to lose in shootouts in the post season.


Todd Haley is gone now so it will change but he ran a E/P that he learned under Parcells with the Jets.

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Great explanation.

Just wanted to add my little 2 cents if you don't mind.
And you covered all this already.

I think NFL offenses as a way/means to accomplish the goal of producing offense. And in the modern NFL it would be very difficult to watch a game and know what type of offensive system a team is using because coaches pick up pieces of offense from every stop.

All offenses are seeking to as Bill Walsh says:
What a actually needs is a fully dimensional offensive system that provides it with the latitude to access whatever aspect of the offensive it needs whenever it needs it. A fully dimensional approach to offense features a balanced offense that accounts for all reasonable contingencies that can occur during the game. It provides a mechanism to address each contingency or situation as it develops.

Coaches scout the league (and college) every offseason and coaches "borrow" plays/concepts from different teams every weekend. If a defense has a hard time stopping a certain concept/play and you better believe their next opponents scouts are (or should be) watching tape and if they have the personnel will try to exploit that same weakness.

The main 'real time' difference is the verbiage. The language in which a play is called. West Coast Offense - is your old school classic wordy verbiage you think of when you hear long play calls. The Coryell system - is often known as the 'digit' system because of its numbered route tree 9 - go route, 8- in route/dig 7-corner/sail etc. Erhardt-Perkins uses concepts to name plays. The E-P style of labelling concepts has trickled all the way down to youth football (or one could argue that it has trickled up)...but I coached on a team with plays calls like Chocolate, Lebron, Dallas etc.

So for me the 'offense' really comes down to what 'language' the coordinator teaches in.

But there are philosophical origins. My quick and dirty way to explain the concepts is thus:
WCO-offense with a quick rhythm focus (3 and 5 step drop) more then deep drop (7 step) that often exchanges a short pass for a run. The passing game is the focus and is designed to be high efficiency. This type of offense doesn't require a power thrower (although it never hurts) but the QB must be able to throw with quickly and with touch and timing and hit the receivers in stride for run after the catch

Air Coryell-big ball offense, designed to make the defense defend 'every blade of grass', stretch a defense vertically and horizontally with the passing game. This offense wants chunk plays. 10-15 even 20 yards downfield. These offenses work best with a QB that can throw with velocity because they're going to be asked to drive the ball through the air over longer distances then a WCO.

Erdarht-Perkins- can really be any style of offense, but originated as a "smash mouth" run the ball offense with play action.

With that being said the so called finesse, nickel and dime WCO offenses have been run first when the personnel dictates e.g. Mike Holmgren with Alexander and Brad Childress with Adrian Peterson. Erhardt-Perkins while originally known as smash mouth has produced some of the most prolific passing offenses w/ Moss+Brady, current Steelers Antonio Brown+Rothlisberger. Air Coryell has produced some OL run game dominant superbowl winning offenses with Jimmy/Norv and Joe Gibbs but it also produced the greatest show on turf with the Rams and as well as the famous Air Coryell Chargers.

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I totally agree with all of that ed. NE's offense especially has morphed more times than I can count and I think has ranged pretty much the full spectrum since BB has been in charge.

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The Chargers were so cool to watch in the early '80s.



No kidding. Fouts, Wes Chandler, John Jefferson, Charlie Joiner and KW the first. I went to a Monday night game at the Muni expecting a Sipe/Fouts shootout, and they did nothing but run Chuck Muncie down our throats for 166yds and a royal butt beating, lol.


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Sid Gillman is the reason the Coryell system looks so different than the West Coast system. From attacking the field vertically to basing his playbook off of a numbering system. Is it any surprise that Bill Walsh who worked under Gillman and Brown developed an unbeatable offense for the time? Not really.

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Yep, Walsh was fortunate enough to work to work under both guys.

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Okay, with the OC hire I am going to attempt to compare Hue's system to Todd Haley's system.

At this point we don't know what offense we are running or if it will be a combination of both, but once that choice is announced, we'll have an idea of what we are running at least.

It will take me a bit of time to dig into Todd's playbook a bit. I know he likes to run stretch zones, and counter plays and mix power blocking and zone blocking in the running game. I know he likes spread schemes in the passing game, but what he did with Kurt Warner and what he did with Big Ben was quite different.

I'll dig around and see what I can come up with.

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I can throw in if you want.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
I can throw in if you want.


Feel free, that goes for anyone else that has some input as well.

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Here is a good video on Haley's stretch zone play.

http://www.steelers.com/videos/videos/Tr...7d-77b9bab0dbe6

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GREAT POST!


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I am not an expert on Haley's offensive schemes, but considering a good part of our family are Steelers' fans, I am familiar w/the team and watch them quite a bit.

A few observations/thoughts/guesses:

--Both Hue and Haley favor the power running game, but Haley will incorporate some zone blocking schemes. I don't think he was known for that in AZ or KC or even his first year in Pittsburgh, but Bell is a good ZBS runner.

--I think both guys favor using a FB and extra TEs to help w/blocking in both w/the running and pass games.

--I think Hue is better w/formations and shifting to keep D's off-balance.

--I think that Haley utilizes the quick passing game more often.

--I have seen Haley adjust his offense from when he was in KC to Pitt. So, he might be more flexible than some think.

--I really don't like some of Haley's game calls. He had a ton of talent in Pittsburgh, but man, you have four 4th and shorts and you don't run one sneak or dive/power in the A or B gaps? He gambles a lot.

--It's early and I have to give this more thought and I'm sure you will provide more educational information, but perhaps these two guys can work together. There are more similarities than what my first instincts told me.

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I was gonna post this article earlier....http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/

^^General E-P primer

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Haley Steeler's:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/09/steelers-film-room-todd-haleys-playbook/

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
I was gonna post this article earlier....http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/

^^General E-P primer

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Haley Steeler's:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/09/steelers-film-room-todd-haleys-playbook/


That e/p article is great! I used that article for my earlier post and if you scroll down you'll see that ghost/tosser picture I used in my description.

LOL, I also already had the Haley playbook article open in my browser as well. Great minds must think alike.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I am not an expert on Haley's offensive schemes, but considering a good part of our family are Steelers' fans, I am familiar w/the team and watch them quite a bit.

A few observations/thoughts/guesses:

--Both Hue and Haley favor the power running game, but Haley will incorporate some zone blocking schemes. I don't think he was known for that in AZ or KC or even his first year in Pittsburgh, but Bell is a good ZBS runner.

--I think both guys favor using a FB and extra TEs to help w/blocking in both w/the running and pass games.

--I think Hue is better w/formations and shifting to keep D's off-balance.

--I think that Haley utilizes the quick passing game more often.

--I have seen Haley adjust his offense from when he was in KC to Pitt. So, he might be more flexible than some think.

--I really don't like some of Haley's game calls. He had a ton of talent in Pittsburgh, but man, you have four 4th and shorts and you don't run one sneak or dive/power in the A or B gaps? He gambles a lot.

--It's early and I have to give this more thought and I'm sure you will provide more educational information, but perhaps these two guys can work together. There are more similarities than what my first instincts told me.


Hue got "shift happy" at times, with some of them downright odd. Seemed like that led to more than a few burned TO's/delay flags/etc.

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Good read ed. This whole thread had been fantastic. I haven't contributed because I know squat. Even after reading a lot of this stuff I don't remember it well, not having been involved in football other than as a fan. But while I'm reading it I find it enthralling.


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Okay, I've been giving this a lot of thought. Most people in the OC thread think we will probably run a combination of Hue's playbook and Todd's playbook and I tend to lean that way as well, but nobody really knows for sure.

What we do know is that they want to improve from last year. Time management has been a huge problem for the last two years and part of that problem has been getting the plays in on time. We also know that we haven't succeeded in the running game. I would expect some of Haley's zone concepts mixed into the works.

Although the current verbiage is a problem, I originally thought that if we changed verbiage, we should change it slowly because we have such a young team. I don't think that anymore. Although the E/P system is tougher on the WR's, it's much easier on the QB and we will be playing a new QB next year. Getting our QB up to speed faster should be our number one priority. Two or more of our WR's will be new as well as our starting RB anyway, so they will be learning a new system no matter what.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should simplify Hue's playbook and covert it to Haley's verbiage. We can keep all the formations and all of the motions, because the e/p system can handle all of those easily. We lower the amount of total plays to speed up the learning curve and make up for that with being able to run the same play out of any formation and motion. Haley can add a few zone running plays and quicker passing plays to Hue's playbook.

I'm still going to add a comparison of the two playbooks, but I thought I'd throw this out there for others to comment on first.

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j/c... stretch zone blocking. All depends what best works with our RB and OL.

In general I see a lot of comparison with Haley and Hue in philosophy of the Offense.

They can morph into one heck of an offense. I think with the Steeler knowledge of his playbook he's gong to utilize a lot of Hue's play book and make it his own.

Again if they start out using Hue's language...they won't transition into Haley's they will stick with that. Once Haley learns it and he's a smart cookie it will not take too long as opposed to an entire team learning his language will put a damper in what he can put in as time wasted on the team learning the language and in some cases we don't have the brightest bulbs in the socket out there...lol laugh

OL usually are your smartest guys.

As I have stated the plays in the Hue book can be tweaked to Haley's personality. But again very similar with Hue. A run base offense with play action and a vertical stretch which would leave a lot of space once we get a real QB so that teams will actually have to play against said QB rather than play against the run and make the QB beat you.

I really want Barkley more so after we made Haley the OC,
he made a lot of space for Bell, I think Barkley is even better than Bell!

talk about stretching the field...let them cram in and Barkley gets the edge! something Crowell just couldn't do.

Wheel route with who covering Barkely?

Duke playing more n more slot WR heck I see him getting ahead of Coleman in the depth chart!

Njoku who was 20 improving like you won't believe.

Give Haley a QB maybe Hue was correct as it would have been a waste having an OC come in last year with Jack at QB...

Oh man...its finally here fellow Brown fans...a long long road of frustration. Its here!



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Are the Browns going to have a PC w/Dorsey, Hue, and Haley to discuss Haley's role? For example, are they going to discuss if they are going to merge the two offenses, stick w/Hue's or go w/Haley's?

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