DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns hire Todd Haley as offensive coordinator

I'll give Jimmy and the new FO some credit. Change needed to occur and they stepped up and addressed it. I don't know if some resistance occurred anywhere or all were on board. That will shake out if so. The staff looks vastly improved.I believe FAs MIGHT be much more interested than they would have if we'd have stayed where we were.

Let's have a good draft and see what we have in 2018!

Why don't they give the HC position to Haley....

It would be so much easier, but no, we have to make it hard.

The play calling wasn't the issue with me. It was more the strategy used. I didn't like the fact we chucked the ball all over the yard with a QB who wasn't ready to do that. We simply didn't run enough.

To the point of the thread, I think this was a good hire.

Play calling was atrocious and the strategy was good for the 1st round pick.

Play calling was not only atrocious on offense but very questionable on D, with the all out blitzes when we should be preventing and taking the game to the half.

I'll give that some of the play designs were good, but play calling...

It was so good that you let the QB sneak with the clock running out.... Or you don't call for additional protection on the left side,to help the backup LT when you are throwing from your goal line.

There are a large number of dumb ass plays and dumb ass play calls.

I don't believe that - I think the likes are people who thought it was a humorous post. I know I did.

Bro ...

Those that are saying play calling was not a PART of the problem are just as bad and off base as those saying the play calling was MOST of the problem ....

Your just on the other side of fantasy land as the haters ...

Hues play calling didn’t help Kizer ONE IOTA ...

How would u grade his play calling on a scale of A - F? ... and why would u give it that grade?

j/c:

Ok....now next on the priority list is in-game management. Who do we hire for that?

Diam, I think there are very few, if any that say that play calling was most of the problem.

IMHO,when you go 1-35 everything is the Problem. With that said I have no doubts that the biggest problem was our Head Coach, and football guys.

You can blame the players, FO or the owner for not having a playoff team, but 1-35.... that lies square on the football guys.

It feels like the organization has improved by leaps and bounds since the end of the season. Lets see how they use that huge cap space. Then, it's draft time.

Sooo what your saying, it really wasn't haley, but Bell and Brown and Ben. Look I think its a good hire, but lets not negate the fact he was working with the most talented trio in the NFL.

So, instead of talking about Haley and the Brown's offense moving forward, you continue aiding those who are trying to hijack the thread. Can't you and your friends take this garbage to the Hue thread? We get that you thought that play calling was a problem. We probably all got it after the 1,345th time we read it from you guys.

It's kinda hard not to talk about play calling in here considering this thread is about our new OC and the fact that it has been reported that Hue will hand the play calling over to Haley.

I don’t understand how that’s a knock against Haley.

Typically, you have to have elite talent to crack the top 10 on BOTH sides of the ball.

Give him credit for doing the best with the talent he was handed. That’s kind of the whole point of an OC and DC.

Todd should be our HC... the way it is right now its an aberration.

He's so much better than Hue....I just cannot figure out why we don't throw the guy on the lake and end this absurd..

I don't think that is a fair assessment. Lets see how Hue's team performs with football minded FO and quality Talent evaluators now in power AND with a quality OC running the offense. Hue had far too much on his plate and the plate given to him was insufficient in talent. That's not excusing Hue of some of his own making, but this year will be crucial for him to prove what he can achieve.

Also, Haley's run in KC wasn't brilliant and not without controversy. Let him take charge of our offense, let him kick the butts of our divisional opponents (and hopefully beyond) and if all goes well for him he may end up a coveted HC again like McDaniels has found himself.

I can’t quote exactly what Jimmy said as it’s been a while since I saw the video, but he said that Hue is still the head coach because despite the record, he had everyone playing hard all season.

This is true.

Wow!

I can dig on that...

Well, there are some posters here who I'm sure believe Todd Haley is a successful head coach because he lead a team to a 10-6 record and the playoffs... Kinda like how Hue has "had success" after inheriting an 8-8 team and leading them to an equally as great 8-8 record.

10-6 Playoffs ... 8-8 ... equally as great???

Or maybe we were just that bad

Congrats to Haley, and welcome aboard. Win some for us.

We need this move, and he certainly can perform play calling IMO. Hope Hue doesn't screw this up because he will not re-visit his own philosophy of football in light of 35 losses. Haley can help with that as well. Williams could use the same overhaul as well.

The Steelers have not had to do much to get ready for us. We need to hurt them offensively and make them scramble to adjust. Keeping Kizer off the field should help mightily as well.

I really hope Hue gives Haley play calling duties cause Hue SUCKED at it last year ....

Is that better Vers ...... ....

I'd hope it is a combo of the two that would catered to the players we have (after FA and draft). I've always thought it was better to change the offense around the players than the players around the offense.

It's about time somebody got this thread back on track.

I'll put my 2 cents in. I think Todd Haley is a good hire, welcome aboard. Now we have to get him some playmakers. I hope all our coaches have input on our draft and FA signings. The more ideas the better. Things may finally be starting to turn around. Let's hope so.

Its not a fair assessment?

Browns were a very badly coached team, the worst I have seen. Nothing to do with the Owner, FO or talent.

Hue's CV can't be compared to Haley's, its absurd to have him under Hue.

I have to do something here that none of the haters would dare to do, admit that I know too little about play calling to make an educated grade on it. The reason it appears that I seem to be saying that play calling was not a part of the problem is because I'm protesting the haters who know nothing, but carry a big mouth.

Most of the haters know as little or less then I do about it. They see a play not work and blame the play calling. They see a majority of plays not work out and deduce the play calling is bad from the basis of knowing nothing about it while proclaiming their opinion as though they do.

There are so many things that can go wrong in the failure of any given play to be poorly executed that the called play is only one of them.

How many times have we heard, and should have noticed ourselves, that it only takes one player to miss his assignment to cause the play to fail? A missed block, a badly run route, a RB mistake, a dropped pass, a badly thrown ball, misread coverage by the QB, etc, etc, etc.

But it seems like a great number fans blame it all on play calling, pass/run mix, situational calls, etc.

Hue sucks and Haley's the bomb. I wonder how Hue would do with Ben, Bell, Brown and maybe the best OL in football. You call a play and they execute a majority of the time. That's what made them the second highest scoring team in 2017. That group made some of the most spectacular plays I've seen, even in crunch time, that it's hard to call a bad play, unless it's situational and the OC had his head up his ass.

Let's see how Haley does in Cleveland. He should get an immediate advantage over Hue because we should sign an accurate, experienced QB, a highly-rated WR in FA and draft a premier talent at RB in the draft. What might Hue be able to do with that? In 2017 Hue's hands were tied by a lack of talent at the most important offensive positions, especially at QB, and that was just the offence. I think Haley will kick our scoring up a notch or maybe even better adding all the advantages in 2018.

Like I said, I can't grade Hue on an A-F basis because I don't really understand all the breakdowns from one play to another. There were so many but I don't know enough to point them out. Neither do the haters who speak so loudly about how bad Hue sucks. It's typical in sports, those who know the least, and they are the majority, scream their mis-guided opinions the loudest. We hear you haters, we hear you.

Now, on something I do feel I might have an inkling of knowledge about, and only from reading some posts on here and through a lot of related information on the internet, I don't think Hue handled Kizer well at all.

I don't know the inner plan of the FO and Hue. I can come up with a zillion reasons he did what he did but I doubt any but one are right and I don't know which one.

I do remember in the pre-season after the first game Greg Cosell talked about all the rookie QBs. We all know Kizer did very well in his first exposure to the NFL. Cosell mentioned that all the rookie QBs were protected by play calling and that Kizer was asked to do things that none of the others were. He said something to the effect that Cleveland threw the whole book at him and he handled it very well.

Perhaps that was Hue's thinking. Don't pull any punches, don't coddle him. Just like any other skill, that is the fast track to getting better. After his first year he should be ahead of most of the other rookie QBs. Maybe the reason that didn't work is because while Kizer made a great showing in his first pre-season game he showed himself to lack any consistent accuracy.

There's another thing that comes into play here. Every defense in the NFL knows EXACTLY the kind of plays you are going to run to "protect/coddle" your rookie QB. Once they have game film on a couple of game then they also know "EXACTLY" how to confuse the rookie. Talk about jumping routes and getting sacks. It's not as easy as it appears to simply "dumb down" the playbook to allow the rookie QB success.

Having already admitted my lack of knowledge on the subject I'll still try your grading system just for the exercise. Had the offense executed Hue's play calls I'd probably give him a "B". Since they did't execute, it looked more like a "D", (he did have the team on the verge of some wins but then the D or ST mucked it up). On handling Kizer, a solid "F".

With the addition of some new skill players, an added year's experience for the young players and an OC who only has to work on the offensive game plan and call plays on game day we should see a lot of improvement in our scoring abilities.

ddubia.

I guess you have been watching football for decades.

Amazing how you can't tell the difference between a well called game or a well coached team from the turd we have seen the last 2 seasons.

Not to speak of the lack of integrity showed by Hue... He would not last long in the Stealers...

Hue is a mediocre coach, its quite evident to all that want to see it.

Your opinions are noted. Thank you.

Could you help me out and explain the type of play that should be called on, say, 3rd and 6? Not just run/pass but the most likely to be successful play of its type. To make it easier since I know plays are called to get the best match-ups vs your opponents strengths and weaknesses go ahead and use one of our divisional opponents in the example since you should know them better than someone we rarely play.

Well we look like a well managed, well coached team to be on paper now... I guess time will tell.

This team needs some "in your face" coaching. They're young, they're not set in their ways, and they all need to improve. I see no issue with an intense coaching style. Seems to be working for the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is the best hire we can/could make.

I also think he was probably told in the interview if we go 0-4 hue is done and he will get the helm.

But I live in the pitt market, and I can tell you every game my FB feed would be lit up with post about Haley horrible play calling. 4-1 and they run a pitch play, or trying to a reverse end around on the 3 yard line. Or having DHB instead of Ju Ju or Bryant on the goaline play fake spike, etc etc. Haley overall is a good OC and a decent play caller, however he tries to get cute ALOT and outthinks himself. ALOT.

All of those play calls have sometimes worked. All of those play calls have sometimes not worked.

Yinzers

Yeah, that's great. Have fun talking to guys like rasta and the rest of the dudes who hijack threads, because I'm done talking to you.

that they are, that they are....

I’ll take anyone that came from the Parcells coaching tree.

I think Barkley is gone before #4. Giants and/or Colts could take him.