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Other than free agents... dark horses to be with the Browns next year that would most likely require a trade and draft pick(s)...


Trevor Siemian - Not a starter by any means, but could be used as one until the #1 draft pick is comfortable and ready to play. I wouldn't trade a 2nd rd pick for him that's for sure, and maybe he will be released... but with the possibility of Cousins and the #5 pick, I think Denver moves on and Siemian will be available. Fairly friendly contract if traded for and would be on a "1 year trial."


Andy Dalton - if McCarron doesn't win his case tomorrow, maybe the Bengals put a 1st round tender on him. No takers, but then decide maybe they'll trade Dalton. They're picking 12th and maybe they'll go with McCarron and whatever QB they draft at 12...? Allen? Bengals are aging and slowly getting into that "rebuild" mode. Dalton is not a world beater and I think a year older than Cousins. He has familiarity with Hue and I don't think he was ever the answer for the Bengals. They could be in position to acquire their future QB at 12 and move on from Dalton... this is the perfect time to do so.

If we're going to do the Bridge QB thing, we need to get a guy that is going to lock the position down solidly for the next three years so that there is ZERO pressure to start the shiny new rookie, whomever that will be.

If we have to pay $25 million/year to get that guy, then so be it. We can afford that without blinking.

We need to walk into the 2018 season set for the next 15 seasons at the position.

But you don't know we are going to get something better.

You hope we do. That is what this team sells.....hope. Draft picks are always hope.


Get a vet and sell results.....we haven't sold that in a while.

I'm with you Peen. Cousins is a franchise guy right now. He is proven, and seems to get better each year. In him, you get what you are "hoping" to get with a draft pick.

I still say, that even if we do get him, you still draft one of the top guys anyway. Then, you just might be covered for a long time.

Vehemently disagree with that.

We sign Cousins long term we'd be wasting a serious asset by taking a QB at #1. Even at 4.

That would be the time to POUNCE on TWO STUD Players. And there appears to be 3 available:

Barkley
Chubb
Minkah-Fitzpatrick

That reeks of desperation.

There's an elementary issue with what you suggested.

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that a QB drafted #1 Overall is sitting. Especially for 2 or 3 years. Not happening.

I agree that drafting a QB in the first after we sign Cousins would be a waste. Do everything you can to build a team around him.

I also think that when we sign Cousins, it will be with the understanding we won't draft a QB in the first.

As for Purps comment....I don't think he is saying the rook wouldnt/couldn't play for 3-4 years. To me he is saying whoever we sign locks it down to the point we aren't pressured to start the guy, but when the rook gets to the point of beating out the bridge QB, he gets his time in the sun.

To me it's about winning games. It's not about who is playing a position.

It would have been best had Cody or Kevin played well enough we never had to play Kize last year.

See this is my point. And yes I could be wrong...

1. I guess yes, I "hope" there's something better... No guarantee. I am also pretty sure there is something better. We had similar discussions here when it came to Wentz. Let's go with RG3 instead of risk drafting someone in the draft.

2. You are also assuming Cousins is going to be "good." If he's 30+ million a year that's also a pretty big risk. I really don't think Cousins will step in here and preform like Cousins of the past few seasons. It'll take a little time for him to adjust. It's also going to take a rookie time to adjust.

3. This seems like a pretty decent QB class. I don't care who it is we draft at #1, our entire organization will be behind said young man. To me it's clear as day Mayfield is the best in the draft, but if we draft Darnold I won't be too upset because that just means we feel he'll be better in the long run. Like the previous 3-4 drafts I do believe there is a quarterback who is better than Cousins. Find him.

4. I don't think there is any way we will sign Cousins. I do think he will improve the team greatly when he arrives, but long term I think signing him would be a colossal mistake. I will be satisfied that he will make us relevant again and I will root for him, but I want better than Cousins. I don't want to be stuck in mediocrity.

5. I don't believe the "plan" was to set ourselves up to draft a quarterback in year 3 but then turn around and sign one. But of course the plan has changed.

I disagree. I think there's a pretty good chance our #1 draft pick QB will be sitting come September.

So today's his appeal date, right?

Wait, why are you talking about McCarron in this particular thread?

But yes..............today is the day.

With any luck, someone in the front office is willing to put their foot down against McCarron being signed.

I don't trust it. Hue's infatuation with him is strange, just as his willingness to trade #33 and #65 was strange.

The last thing we need is another infatuation with a veteran back-up. McCarron doesn't want to come to Cleveland because he wants to be that savvy veteran we need. He wants to come because he knows he'll be the uncontested starter with a head coach who'll put wayyyy too much faith in him.

I don't think McCarron is a bad quarterback, but I don't think he's a starter. Cinci's willingness to lose him, when they're clearly questioning Dalton's ability, shows what they think of him.

He's a game manager. They're a good thing to have on the roster. I bet he's about as good as Andy Dalton.

A game manager is a good thing to have on the roster if I could trust the head coach not to tether himself to that game manager.

Alas, I can't say with any conviction that McCarron wouldn't become our unquestioned starter. No real competition for Kizer or a rookie.

And I say rookie because McCarron automatically takes us out of the Cousins sweepstakes. He's not the guy, but he'll get well paid.

Thinking out loud....

I think Haley's opinion of McCarron is as important as anyone else in the FO/coaching staff

In an open competition I think Kizer and a 1st round rookie QB im not sure McCarron would win

Good point. Now that he's the playcaller, it does bring in to question how much say he'll have at the quarterback position. Reasonably, he should have as much say as Jackson given it will largely be his system and entirely his playcalling.

If Kizer dedicates himself to the game, then he should be the favorite going into camp. He's had the playbook for the longest (maybe not if we get AJ) and has all the physical tools to play QB at a high level. But that would require him to go into this season with a positive mindset and a severe dedication to his craft, which includes regular meetings with Tom House.

I agree with you about Haley's opinion mattering and I'm sure he'll be given the platform to share it. To what degree will that opinion be taken into real consideration? Who knows?

Regarding the AJ McCarron topic and him possibly being signed here....I can't help but keep going back to the fact that the Bengals were more than willing to part ways with a QB that they'd potentially end up facing twice a year. And that Mike Brown had never made a trade with the Browns before. I think that's somewhat revealing about what they thought about McCarron. What they "think" about his play and what actually "happens" are two different things, but Bengals were ready to let him go to a division rival.

It will be Haley's offense. Similar but different plays and terminology. Any advantage McCaron or Kizer would have is less.

I think it'll be a mix between Hue and Haley with Hue's terminology. But I doubt we'll know for certain until OTAs.

for a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I get queezy every time I see that.

You guys crack me up the with value u place on picks compared to a possible starter QB. Is it a risk..? sure.. But its not like we don't have tons of picks that we usually [censored] away anyway. We spent a 2nd on Kiser and 3rd on Kessler.. What did THAT get us ? Id trade em both to see what A.J can do. You really think Cinci would swap ?

I think you're right about Kizer in your first statement. For all that he did wrong, Kizer showed the right approach to the game, and oozed mental toughness all season. That will serve him well this offseason. I think he'll be significantly improved to start the season.

That said, he will start TC as the starter, but that will be a meaningless designation. We will have a proven vet and/or a #1 pick competing with him, and it really won't be a competition.

They absolutely would. They were willing to do that at the trade deadline last year. That's more than Jimmy G brought in trade.

AJ is not worth it.

So when you do something poorly, do you not try and do it poorly again the next time?

There is a new sheriff in town and Dorsey won't give up two high picks for AJ McCarron ... JMHO

On the plus side if this guys starts for us I will save a lot of money this year because I sure ain't paying to watch this chump play.

Haley said in his presser that he's bringing his verbiage and that will be the most significant change.

But imo it's a change for the better b/c Erhardt Perkins verbiage is easier.

I think his system means we draft Darnold or Mason. Not saying where or when in the draft that would happen but to me it's the obvious choice.

Haley's system could mean they draft any player.

That's what's up. I missed his presser. Thanks.

I hear the results of the appeal may be delayed...

I also don't know that Haley or Hue will have as much say as to who will be our quarterback(s) as some think.

If Dorsey isn't a McCarron fan I don't think it matters what Hue or Haley think.

A viable QB who is a bit cocky and viable and can win without being a strip/sack, fumbling, interception turnover factory is essential. THAT is the chip on our shoulder we need, that is the swagger we lack. It is not Kizer. Certainly not Kessler. Get this and a lot improves as we move chains more, score more, give it away less. WE need to play harder at the game, not coaching and correcting our QB like this is just another extension of practice. Don't put somebody out there we have to carry.

Winning is a beautiful part of hindsight and of anticipation: That is the "gleam" Marty referenced. As I see it.

Or they may have more say then you think

McCarron won his grievance.

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/964256272060215297

I don’t think A.J. McCarron is good, but I’d give him the Mike Glendon contract and let him start a few games.

Good for him.

Enjoy Denver AJ!

welcome to the browns AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!