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I just can't agree with your QB preferences this draft eotab sorry. Just can't.

I have no clue what anyone sees in this dude when he’s not running the ball ..

He can’t hit the broad side of a barn ... hes gonna be a BIG TIME BUST if someone reaches for Mr. Innacurate ...

So does anyone think Jackson will be available in the 2nd round?

If I'm Jacksonville I'm jumping all over Lamar Jackson if he does drop, which I don't think he will.

Diam. The dude is questioned by many as to whether he will even PLAY QB in the NFL.

And I'm one of them. If that means anything? Lol

I'm sure protruding 5200 yards of offence in one year is nothing the Browns would find useful. I mean it would keep us from drafting in the top 10! Oh, the agony!

Anyone who thinks Lamar Jackson can't play QB in the NFL doesn't understand how the NFL works in 2018.

(I am mainly talking about Bill Polian.)

Josh Allen passed for only 200 more yards then Jackson gained on the ground. Lamar had ~1800 more passing yards and 3400 more total yards. Jackson had more total yards last year then Allen had in his career.

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I think its laughable that some think Lamar Jackson should move to WR because of supposedly deficient accuracy yet turn around and claim that Josh Allen should go #1.

By that logic Josh Allen should move to TE.
Rosen should go work for Lehman Brothers.
Sam Darnold should open a surf shop and go to film school.

Its just a silly way to discuss QBs.

Darnold #1 - not Allen.

How’s RG3 doing? .....

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j/c:

I really don't want to argue w/all of the qb experts in here, but I think accuracy is huge and I don't think Lamar is very accurate.

Cue the posts where I don't know what I'm talking about...

Well it's not like your wrong. His college completion percentage is just under that gold 60% that you look for. There are definately some issue there.

The thing is, does his ability to run the ball outweigh 2 to 4 missed throws per game? I mean when you get down to it that is what it amounts to. I think the answer is yes. Especially if you can fix his technique and bring up his accuracy which I think is VERY doable if he can get signed to a team and they let him sit a year or two.

He is worth a late 1st round to 2rd pick at the least if your a team that can provide that situation for him. If we signed Cousins or Smith we could provide that kind of environment. Definitely not the pick at #1 overall though.

lol imagine being worried that defensive linemen will catch Lamar Jackson, but still be enamored with Baker Mayfield.

I'm not going to delete the truth. Just because it riled up your feathers, doesn't mean it's ignorant. In fact, it really just means you're ignorant. I don't think Baker's chief asset is his scrambling ability, mainly because it's so bad against NFL competition. His accuracy has a lot of questions too. Is he able to throw into tight windows? It didn't look that way against Georgia in the second half. A lot of what Baker does good is scheme dependent, which isn't a knock as executing a scheme is very important.

Also, if you're going to spout off about prospects, you might want to watch the games. Lamar Jackson has faced much more talented and physical defenses within the ACC, teams that have multiple 1st round picks on the defensive side of their team opposed to The Big 12 who has zero 1st round talent on defense. If you watched Baker and Lamar's games you would notice that multiple times throughout the Ohio State and Texas game. Not to mention his injury history over his career. Lamar Jackson never came out of a game in his collegiate career and has never even be injured. I know you want a thicczaddy but Baker ain't the one, he's thicc, but soft.

Instead of responding, I hope you take some time to watch their games instead of going off of radioshow talking points.

You possibly shouldn't say that?

Where's the lie though?

I agree that accuracy is a very important trait when evaluating QBs.

I think Lamar is a natural thrower of the ball and has natural accuracy. To put context to my view...I would say he's not as accurate as Rosen but I think he's more accurate then Allen. Discussions on accuracy can quickly delve into subjectivity without any objective measures. So i'll just say that imo he has enough accuracy that its not an issue.

Ian Wharton took the time and charted some of the top prospects in terms of accuracy and Jackson came out tied with Darnold, ahead of Allen and behind Rosen and Mayfield. Caveat that should go without saying but i will still mention is that like with any metric you still have to take into account other factors like scheme and pass protection (spread offense/well protected etc) that could effect the results.

I look forward to how he throws it at the combine and if/when PFF puts out their accuracy charting like they did last year for the top prospects (like they did last year with Mitch/Watson that charted their actual ball placement).

Agreed.

I definitely think Baker is accurate. I'm not sure he's as accurate as his reputation or numbers indicate, but he's accurate. From watching his tapes he's often throwing to receivers with very good separation and clean pockets and relatively 'easier' throws then some other prospects make. For example he's not being asked to throw 12-15 yard comebacks from the far hash to the opposite sideline or throw second level anticipation based in breaking routes. I don't mean any of this as knock either, not saying that he can't make those throws with accuracy either. Just because a prospect doesn't display it often on film doesn't mean they can't do it.

It's possible, at this point he's not cemented into the first round..

He will rise, or at least should shine in workouts...which will push him up...

He's a QB...whom always go much higher, as it is the most sought after spot.

Still too early, but I expect him to go round 1...If round 2, he'll be scooped up quickly...

I'd love to reply on his accuracy, but you will get mad and start accusing me of weird crap again. So yeah ed, you're right...............Lamar is an accurate qb.

Running QB's are never a good thing in the NFL. They always get hurt. Were I he, I'd be making the transition to WR.

He’s not a running QB. He’s a QB with a nasty ability to run.

I swear people act like he didn’t have a better passing year than some of the other QBs.

Alright Swish......let's make a bet. I take Rosen. You take Lamar. We give them 5 years. We bet $1,000 on who is better by using the QBR.

Cool?

Never watched a full game, only a few highlight reels, and couldn't even get through all of those because he did more running than he did throwing.

j/c:

I want to clarify something. I have no problem w/dual threat QBs.

In fact, I prefer them.

My issue w/Lamar is two-fold.

I think he is inaccurate. I also question his reads and anticipation.

Then watch a full game. A few of them. And observe the bad O line play.

His OL was way better than Rosen's.

I suggest that you watch a full game or a cut up of all his pass plays. Highlights will give you the running plays, because it's so much more entertaining to see him scramble for 10 yards than make a 10 yard pass.

That’s highly debatable.

And the argument can be made that Rosen had better play makers, and Lamar certainly played against tougher competition

Bro, Rosen's supporting talent was awful. He did have one good WR, but man, the dude was under quick pressure all the time.

So, I just did this. Vs. Florida St. What I saw in that game was a running qb. with some, SOME, accuracy issues in the passing game. I also saw some happy feet in the pocket.

Now, when I say a 'running qb', I understand that it may simply have been the o he was running. On read options, he kept the ball just about every time. And truthfully, to me those looked like good reads for the most part.

But even in the pocket, he bailed fairly quick without much pressure often times.

That was just 1 game.

Does anyone have any suggestions on a different game I should watch, that shows he's not a running qb? That shows his accuracy in the passing game?

Like I said, I've only watched the 1 game in it's (Louisville's offense) entirety. But, from that 1 game, my takeaway is he's a runner than can throw, but has some accuracy issues. Not terrible, but certainly not great. And, if he runs that often in the nfl, he'll be broken, sooner than later.

Any other games I should watch?

arch, we don't get along..........but that was a very good post w/honest questions. I know you hate me, but I do know some football and here is my advice.

Don't just watch cut-ups that focus on one, two, or even three plays. That can be deceiving. My advice is to watch live games as much as you can. Obviously, the season is over and that is now impossible [I am just saying to do that moving forward] but now I would suggest watching every freaking video out there on each guy you are interested in evaluating. Read all of the scouting reports.

Take all of that information and formulate an opinion. You don't have to be correct, but at least it will be educated. It sounds like that is what you are interested in and that is really cool......and rare.

I scouted for two years and believe me.............the more info you can obtain, the better your analysis will be.

And again........I don't like this idea of just showing a play or two to evaluate a qb. I say you watch as much as you can and get a feel for the conditions of each game. That will give you a much better look.

Several things:

I wasn't aware we didn't get along.

As I said, I watched the 'whole' louisville vs. Fl. St. game - but it was only every Louisville offensive play.

The last time I really dug into this was prior to the Browns drafting Weeden. What I saw in watching most of his games was exactly what he was when he was playing for the Browns.

I am NOT a scout, nor have I ever been one. My 'eye' test has served me well throughout my life, not just in football.

I'd just like to hear from those endorsing Jackson what other games I should watch.

Look, I don't get paid to scout/analyze, so I'm probably not going to watch every Louisville game.

Okay, then I would suggest watching his games against his toughest opponents.

Here you go, Arch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ReNuiYAJgg