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With a guy like Duke, our offense should perfect the screen play, get him the ball in a little space as often as possible.

It should be real. We are just starting the process. I think it foolish to anoint someone as the the guy this early.

There is much that goes in to the process.

To me it is ignorant to simply claim that anybody is the guy at this point.

I don't think Dorsey knows who he is taking at this point.

j/c:

Wow, it's unreal how shameless some of our posters are. It's not about the search for truth. It's all about championing one's opinions.

Posters are resorting to calling Joe T a paid lackey. I hope all of the boards are reading these disgusting comments from a small faction of the board who pretend they know more about the inner workings of the Browns than those who are actually employed by the Browns.

Oh, and Diam.......those are the guys you are rolling with. You think about that for a minute.

I must say I am surprised Hue is getting an offensive coordinator and giving up play calling. I think this will be best for the Browns and Hue. It will give Hue a chance to grow as a head coach and increase his chances of lasting beyond next season. I think we are on our way to being a good football team.

Stop hijacking every thread and give up your deceitful agenda-posting.

Hue Jackson: 'Todd Haley is leading the charge' on offense; not fazed by confrontational style
Updated Jan 24, 9:13 PM; Posted Jan 24, 6:45 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/hue_jackson_todd_haley_is_lead.html

MOBILE, Alabama -- Hue Jackson, now a self-described 'CEO head coach,' has no qualms about making Todd Haley COO of his offense and giving him complete control.

"There's always bits and pieces that you keep, but this is going to be Todd's opportunity to put his stamp on this offensive football team,'' Jackson told cleveland.com and a small group of Browns writers at the Senior Bowl Wednesday. "This is going to be the Cleveland Browns offense when it's all said and done, but Todd Haley is leading the charge. People get worried about 'Whose playbook is it?' It's not about that. It's about what it takes to win for the Cleveland Browns and that's what Todd will do.''

Jackson is excited about taking off his coordinator hat and overseeing the whole operation. In his first two seasons, playing primarily with rookie quarterbacks who weren't ready, Jackson went 1-31 - the worst start for a coach in NFL history.

"This is something I've always dreamed of transitioning into,'' he said. "For the first two years I didn't think there was somebody out there that could do it better than myself. I've said that from Day 1, I just don't think that's fair.''

"We're in a different phase of this process here in Cleveland and we're well set up to move forward on offense where I can feel comfortable saying, 'Hue, you need to be more of the CEO head coach. Let your role really on game day be about the football team, not just the team on offense.'''

Jackson interviewed fired Giants coach Ben McAdoo and Texans QB coach Sean Ryan, but Haley was his first choice as soon as the Steelers opted not to renew his contract after their division-round loss to the Jaguars.

"Todd is going to call the game,'' said Jackson. "Obviously as the head coach, I can make recommendations to (defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), him and (special teams coordinator) Amos (Jones) and that will become my role. I feel very comfortable that the men that I've put in place that they are really good at what they do. ... I'm going to give them every avenue to be the best they can be at their job."

Haley, who was head coach of the Chiefs from 2008 until he was fired 14 games into the 2011 season, presided over an explosive offense in Pittsburgh that was second in scoring only to the Patriots over the last four years. In 2017, the Steelers were eighth in points per game.

"We want to score points,'' Jackson said. "We're trying to score points as fast as we can. He believes in the vertical passing game. He believes in the ability to run the football that you have to be able to do that. He likes to be creative and dynamic on offense so what he does is everything I've wanted our offense to be.

"I do know this: we will craft an offense, Todd will craft an offense that allows our playmakers to be the best that they can be and right now we're still in the process of trying to add more and put more on our football team."

Jackson: 'No one ever told me I had to hire an OC'

Jackson said he talked to Haley about Ben Roethlisberger and their sometimes rocky relationship.

"We addressed everything,'' Jackson said. "Let me say this: those things happen from time to time between players and coaches. It happened between me and players last year. That's just the NFL. We're men, and sometimes things aren't going to be the way we want them to be and those things will happen from time to time."

As for Haley's confrontational style, Jackson has no issues with it. Even Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner said this week that Haley got in his face, but that he'd play for him again in a heartbeat.

"I don't think there's anything wrong with coordinators challenging players to be the best they can be," said Jackson. "In the role I sit now, it's different as a head coach. I couldn't do those things that way. I want him to do those things and I expect that he will do those things."

He said Haley, like all coordinators, will have to be both good cop and bad cop.

"You have to be able to wear both of those hats,'' Jackson said. "If the results are going to be what he's done in the past, I'm all for anything.''

He acknowledged he's got a staff with strong personalities in Haley and Gregg Williams, but is confident he can manage them.

"Absolutely,'' he said. "Me and Gregg coexisted. ... What we have is two very strong personalities - one on defense and one on offense and the head coach. I'm no different.

"I think these are two men that are two of the best at what they do, and we are going to put them in position to lead and have success. That is what this is all about."

But if you think Jackson won't be hands on with the new rookie quarterback that will likely be picked No. 1, guess again.

"I probably will,'' he said. "That part of me isn't going to change. I'm just not the primary play-caller and not the driver of the offensive football team. My expertise is on the offensive side, but again, I just hired one of the best of the best in the league.

"I'm excited about it. I'll have more energy on the sidelines. Those fans that want to see me act a little bit crazier will probably see that a little more just because I'll be a little bit more animated because I'm not worried about making the next play call.''

He acknowledged, "I'm more concerned about our team and how we're performing -- not that I wasn't a year ago -- but that was a lot of hats that you have to manage as you go through this process.''

Excellent take, Hue.

The winds of change are at hand. Time to wreck this league.

Hey Diam, be careful... I wouldn't want you to have your eye poked out with all that finger waving Vers is doing.

Hope you're right, I'm all for being a football team in some form or fashion compared to this joke we've been for endless years.

It's good to he recognizes he is in a good position to narrow his focus and be able to delegate duties.

Agreed. For the 1st time that I can remember I think we have the right people in place both in the front office and the coaching staff. Now let's get those players we need. With a little luck, we may turn this around fast!!

I'm not trying to be rude or just a-hole sounding, but a little luck? Turn around fast?

If Fort Knox was filled with luck, we'd need to take it all to have a chance to turn things around slow. This is a bad football team and a tradition of seasons one would deem as "pathetic". My best advice is get excited, let the excitement flowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww - but keep reality close in check. Keeps the disappointment level lower.

Dawg, I don't think you sound rude. If we win 5 or 6 games next year we turned this around.

Ahhh, I didn't grasp your expectation level. I'd be very pleased, very happy and very satisfied for a 5-6 win season.

With ya on that one bro!

Dawg, even if we make all the right moves I don't expect to win any more then 5 or 6 games. That may even be too high. Time will tell.

My first initial thought was... If you would have had an OC for the past two years... but I'm not going to think about that..Its a useless worry..and nothing can change the past..so why grieve about it.

Moving forward is the only way to think... I'll be curious to the animations he will display..My hopes are to see big smiles and lots of high fives from Hue and the players as they leave the field with a Win.

It was a good article to read... It brings a glimmer of hope excitement and relief.. Im starting off the season in your corner Hue...Make the Season Rock !!!

Let's look at the facts we know YTown. He did four interviews. He actually hired the guy that most seem to believe was the best candidate that was interviewed. Had he hired a less qualified candidate, he would have been crucified for hiring someone who wasn't a good candidate. When he didn't hire the first guy he interviewed the vultures came out. Suddenly doing your due diligence and hiring the best candidate you can find is being twisted into a bad thing. Only on Dawgtalkers.

They act like they know what went on behind the scenes. They don't have a clue. But that's how vultures act. At the first sign of blood they circle awaiting death.

Seems like posting pure BS with zero evidence has become your specialty these days.

I have to say, I feel really good about our coaching staff right now. With Haley on offense and Williams on defense and Hue running the show, we should eventually become powerhouses on both sides of the ball. We just need the talent to execute. This free agency period and the draft, along with our second and third year players, should go a long way toward making it happen. And of course the final piece, the QB who can consistently get the ball to our playmakers for the next 10 or 15 years.

Fingers crossed Cal, fingers crossed

Did you watch any playoffs the last 2 weeks? It was a Pleasure to see virtually EVERY pass actually CAUGHT.

It might seem SIMPLE to the nay Sayers and Nancy's, but it's a thing of Beauty. They'll wallow in their virtual yearly angst about this Team.

Meanwhile, you, me and others will JUMP at what's to come.

We are ON THE DOORSTEP. And I'm enjoying the ride from here on out.

Exciting times, bud.

I’ll take it

http://waitingfornextyear.com/2018/01/hue-jackson-todd-haley-play-calling/

After a 0-16 season in 2017, the Cleveland Browns and owner Jimmy Haslam decided to retain Head Coach Hue Jackson amidst the overhaul in the front office. But, changes in the coaching staff have been made. The Browns on Wednesday announced the hiring of Todd Haley to be the team’s new offensive coordinator. In the release, Browns Head Coach Hue Jackson indicated that he would hand over the offensive play calling duties to Haley. I’ll take it.

As many may know through my previous pieces, I am not a big fan of Hue Jackson. I believed he deserved to be fired following the 0-16 season he led in 2017. His play calling, in-game decision-making and overall management of his players on the field and off it were disastrous. I believed the team had enough talent to be considered the worst team in the league, but the Jackson-led roster went 0-16 with the worst record in the league. So as you can see, I did not like the decision by Browns owner Jimmy Haslam to retain Jackson for the 2018 season.

Nevertheless, we are beyond the point of debating whether Jackson should still be the head coach of the Browns. I have moved on. And, one of the things that have eased my distress over the decision of keeping Jackson is the hiring of Todd Haley as offensive coordinator and the conceding of Jackson to give the offensive play calling duties to Haley.

Haley instantly improves the Browns offense as he takes over the play calling duties. He was let go by the Pittsburgh Steelers this offseason after being the Steelers’ offensive coordinator for the past six years. As offensive coordinator, Pittsburgh has ranked in the top ten for points per game over the past four seasons. He is a veteran play caller with the track record of success. His resume of 21 years in the NFL also includes time as a head coach. The Browns have a reputable play caller, who has recent success in the league. But, beyond that, there is a bigger reason why I have a better feeling now than earlier in the offseason, Hue Jackson will not be calling plays for the offense anymore.

Jackson was a disaster as a play caller. He was pass-happy, too cute at times and overall just unable to adequately put his players in the right scheme and play call. The fact that he is no longer the play caller is a win and should be an improvement for the Browns offense. But, another factor is that it lessens the stress and load on Jackson as head coach. He can now be a CEO type coach where he overlooks the entire team and does not take an inexorable amount of time and energy on one aspect of the team. This could improve his in-game decision-making and his overall feel of the game. Play calling, beyond just the horrible calls he made, was just a lot of work to put on his plate as head coach.

I still believe that it was the wrong choice to retain Jackson for another year. I thought he had put enough evidence out there that showed he was not the answer as the Browns head coach. But, we are here with Jackson still leading the Browns. So, I will take what I can get at this point. And, the addition of Haley as offensive coordinator and play caller is helping lessen the blow of having Jackson another year. I will give Jackson a shot now as a CEO type head coach to see if that could be the answer of turning this team into a winner. But, this is on him and there is no one else to blame. It’s Jackson final shot to show he is a head coach in the NFL. No more excuses.

Is this dude a poster on this board? He sounds ignorant enough to be. Just sayin'.

I'm content with the changes. My biggest issues with Jackson were from an X's & O's standpoint. His play calling was amongst the worst I've ever seen, his play design was often reminiscent of a toddler scribbling with a crayon and he was rash with his decisions.

As a head coach, he's more brilliant than not. Most of the players love him, he's got incredible motivational qualities and he's got an aura of positivity that has been a big part of the culture shift. He needs to stop throwing players and staff under the bus, but outside of that, I'm comfortable with him as a head coach.

Haley is the opposite. Better as a co-ordinator than a head coach, he fits well. He makes great decisions, has a strong system and can be aggressive in demanding the best out of his players. It balances nicely with Jackson, and alleviates the shortcomings we've seen from Jackson while retaining his strengths.

It should be smooth running forward. I'm interested to know how much say Haley will have in decisions at quarterback if the system will be leaning his direction.

I agree with your post, BDU, except for this. There are 3 very strong personalities on the coaching staff and I hope each can stay in his own lane. It certainly won't stay quiet...

I just want the Browns to win 1-31 is not cutting it, Maybe Hue will be better as HC without the play calling, hopefully he will stop with the back stabbing blaming others.

Haley should be giving his input at least. A good group effort would be good...just win games.

Agreed, that's also a concern of mine, but I think it takes a while for things like that to come to a head. For the next two years, I expect the process to run smooth.

During that time, that's enough to start winning some games. Winning alleviates a lot of the pressure applied to those within the organization.

With any luck, we won't need to worry about clashing for a whole. Only two things really cause it, in my mind. Firstly, losing. Secondly, stagnating performances in the playoffs. Hopefully the latter will be the first one we're likely to face.

I agree w/most of this post, but the part about childish play calling and play design is completely bogus.

I used to call plays and I question NFL coaches play-calling far fewer than almost everyone on here.

Hue was highly regarded as a schemer and play caller. He still is.

We had 3 qbs who hadn't won a game. We had a bunch of crap at WR. We had inexperienced TE's. We had a culture of losing.

Thank God that Hue is still here.

Why? Because people questioned your play calling?

J/c

I think this could. Could. Work out very well.

Hue is going to be freed up big time to over see all aspects of the team.

He can spread his detail to every facet of the offense, defense and special teams and coach up the coaches as well as the players. Handle team emotions, team dynamics. Have the time to have individual meetings with players (e.g. Kizer if he's still around/rookie QB)

He can help Haley have a more productive offense by looking at it from a macro-level he can give Haley the kind of self scouting and guidance Hue himself lacked and needed when Hue was the playcaller. Maybe Hue can hold Haley more accountable for sticking with the run then Hue was able to hold himself to when he was the playcaller. Haley like Hue can get away from running the ball...

This could be a synergistic relationship, iron-sharpens-iron...2 heads are better then 1 type of relationship....and they're gonna need to be in it together to maximize their personnel because the offensive personnel is still miles away form the Steelers....or Hue's Bengals.

But patience is the order though....the offense shouldn't expected to jump from 32 to top 10 over 1 offseason...

He later walked this comment back.

You post on this board...Just sayin

Seems to do that a lot.

He's not a wordsmith.

As long as he can draft well.

I’m rolling with ME and whoever agrees with my take on something ... I have no clue why u continue to try and lump me in with the haters when I’ve NEVER ONCE ASKED FOR HUE TO BE FIRED .... I’m rolling with U there as we agree on that ... when it comes to utilizing Duke or abondoning the run almost every game I’m rolling with those that think he did a CRAPPY ASS job at it ...

I’m not sure why u continue to lump me in with the haters ... thats your perogative .... to each there own ...

Are we gonna still call the Joe Thomas as a workout? Imagine if he got on that play...

Do you even read what you post?

Now go figure that with all that you said, the genius was calling 66% pass plays in bad weather against the top pass D in the league....

I'm getting sick with all this Hue was a highly regarded play caller/schemer/Qb developer...

Hue was the frigging OC for the Bengals... Maybe highly regarded when compared to high school coaches,not highly regarded in the NFL level.