But these ideas of "get rid of DACAS!" come from individuals who purport themselves to be the moral majority as guided by Christianity. These individuals need to know what they follow.
Christians believe in following the Law. We follow Jesus and He said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesars."
Why do you constantly cry to disobey our Laws and believe that Illegal doesn't mean just that, illegal?
I don't want to sound like I'm judging or preaching. Let me just say I have accepted Jesus as my lord and savior.
BTW, Jesus broke Jewish law by claiming to be the Messiah. Which is blasphemy and the reason they wanted him crucified.
I'm not aware that the Gospel of Christ endorses breaking laws in general. So much for that argument.
As to the topic of the thread, I would love to hear what ICE has against this guy - because on the surface, it seems like nothing. Edited to add: It seems like ICE has no grounds for deporting/detaining the guy.
He’s here ILLEGALLY .... according to our LAWS .... thats reason enough to be DEPORTED .... we need NO OTHER REASON to send his back where he belongs!
It says in this very thread that he is a LEGAL U.S. RESIDENT.
Blind hate is the only thing that keeps him going. He doesn't even read any posts. Just focusing on how 1+1=2
The whole daca kid debate will go no where fast because the left and its supporters will never answer the one question I have concerning these kids.
What will you do with the parents of these kids?
Unless the applicants for DACA can provide death certificate, then does DACA supporters plan on deporting the parents or letting them stay?
I have asked this multiple times on many message boards and to all of my congress critters....I wont even get a BS stammering reply...all I get is a blank stare with zero response....next question please.
edit...i just ready an article that had Donald Trump addressing the parent issue saying is is "tricky"
Is it truely a punishment to send someone back to THEIR country?
If they have been here for years (or decades) and have no family there, no history there, no resources there.. then yes, it is a punishment.
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They broke the law to get come here.
The kids had little to no choice. If your in the backseat of the family car and your dad is driving too fast and has had too much to drink should we put the kids in jail too?
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They didn't care that they were breaking the law because they had no respect for our laws to begin with.
This is a flagrant lie. For the most part, as a group, they are as law abiding as any other group of people here once they get here. If it helps you demonize them in your own mind by convincing yourself that they are just running amok and not caring about any laws, have at it.
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Eventually after many years of breaking US law they stop caring and start to feel entitled.
They start to actually feel like citizens.
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They lied and deceived their neighbors and local government for so long, receiving benefits of a government they are not paying taxes into,
Many studies have been done showing that they put far more into our economy than they take out... but if it helps you to demonize them by believing this, have at it.
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Yet we can't send our own kids to college, keep our own people fed, and god forbid they need to go to the doctor.
If you can't send your kids to college or feed your family or help feed the needy in your community, or send your kids to the doctor.. that's your fault. Not the fault of some immigrants.
If all of the immigrants were magically sent home and the cost of your groceries suddenly went up 20%, you'd complain about that too and wonder why the government is doing anything about it.
I'm not aware that the Gospel of Christ endorses breaking laws in general. So much for that argument.
Then why was Jesus executed by the government and why did so many of his disciples spend time in jail? Were they not doing God's will when they were captured, tortured, and killed by the government?
The Gospel is pretty clear.. "give unto Caesar...", let the government do whatever the government is going to do.. (He was talking specifically about taxes in this instance, but I can extrapolate he would mean this for all government issues)
It is also pretty clear that as Christians it is our job to love and care for our neighbors... ALL of our neighbors, not just the ones who were born on the right side of the line on the map, not just the ones who share our skin color or our background or our language or our income bracket or our political leanings or even our religion.. All of them.
When confronted with a situation such as this, I imagine myself standing at the gates and I imagine myself being asked about this issue.. and the question goes, "So DC, in 2018, a child of God, by all accounts a generally decent human being, was ripped away from his wife and kids, imprisoned, and shipped across the ocean to a land he didn't know. All because he was born THERE, but wanted to live HERE. You supported this, why?"
I have a feeling that my recitation of US immigration law isn't going to get me very far with St. Peter or Jesus or whomever I might be speaking. The number of passages and parables that say I should love, care for, feed, clothe, and help these people far outweigh the few references that imply that I should endorse man's "law"...
I'm not aware that the Gospel of Christ endorses breaking laws in general. So much for that argument.
Then why was Jesus executed by the government and why did so many of his disciples spend time in jail? Were they not doing God's will when they were captured, tortured, and killed by the government?
Because they did not have the Right to Free Speech and could be arrested just for offending others.
The charge against Jesus was a trumped up charge that he claimed to be King of the Jews.
Ilove how some lefties here call opposing opinions from conservatives FLAGRANT LIES. I believe that the liberals had plenty of opportunity to fix DACA so therein the false narrative is that the repubs hate the Hispanics and the..sniff ...sniff dems are their saviors.LMFAO
I'm not aware that the Gospel of Christ endorses breaking laws in general. So much for that argument.
The Gospel is pretty clear.. "give unto Caesar...", let the government do whatever the government is going to do.. (He was talking specifically about taxes in this instance, but I can extrapolate he would mean this for all government issues)
Ilove how some lefties here call opposing opinions from conservatives FLAGRANT LIES.
My fault, I'll start calling it fake news.
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I believe that the liberals had plenty of opportunity to fix DACA so therein the false narrative is that the repubs hate the Hispanics and the..sniff ...sniff dems are their saviors.
Both sides have had plenty of opportunities to fix lots of stuff when they were in charge and they failed.. did the republicans fix healthcare yet? Did they fix it under Bush so Obama didn't have to do what he did?
The narrative that republicans hate immigrants doesn't come from the government, it comes from the attitude like some of the folks on this board who get downright GIDDY at the prospect of ripping families apart.
And for the record, I'm not a lefty, I'm a RINO.. right of center but not all eaten up with hatred.
This immigration mess is the product of decades of inaction by the government. Fixing it for the future will also be messy.
Both sides of the isle want to do something good and fair for the DACA folks but how it gets done is also going to be messy.
We will see how it turns out in time.
Serious question for you 40 and anyone else from the right;
What do you see as fair treatment for the DACA people? I'd like to know what you think is acceptable treatment of them.
We aren't gonna kick them out, few people want that. I see a path to citizenship as long as they are not criminals as being fair. There are other issues tied to this and that is what is messy. The stupid lottery, chain migration etc.
This immigration mess is the product of decades of inaction by the government. Fixing it for the future will also be messy.
Both sides of the isle want to do something good and fair for the DACA folks but how it gets done is also going to be messy.
We will see how it turns out in time.
Serious question for you 40 and anyone else from the right;
What do you see as fair treatment for the DACA people? I'd like to know what you think is acceptable treatment of them.
We aren't gonna kick them out, few people want that. I see a path to citizenship as long as they are not criminals as being fair. There are other issues tied to this and that is what is messy. The stupid lottery, chain migration etc.
I have a feeling we will miss the deadline. That's not good for any side.
This immigration mess is the product of decades of inaction by the government. Fixing it for the future will also be messy.
Both sides of the isle want to do something good and fair for the DACA folks but how it gets done is also going to be messy.
We will see how it turns out in time.
Serious question for you 40 and anyone else from the right;
What do you see as fair treatment for the DACA people? I'd like to know what you think is acceptable treatment of them.
We aren't gonna kick them out, few people want that. I see a path to citizenship as long as they are not criminals as being fair. There are other issues tied to this and that is what is messy. The stupid lottery, chain migration etc.
I have a feeling we will miss the deadline. That's not good for any side.
This immigration mess is the product of decades of inaction by the government. Fixing it for the future will also be messy.
Both sides of the isle want to do something good and fair for the DACA folks but how it gets done is also going to be messy.
We will see how it turns out in time.
Serious question for you 40 and anyone else from the right;
What do you see as fair treatment for the DACA people? I'd like to know what you think is acceptable treatment of them.
We aren't gonna kick them out, few people want that. I see a path to citizenship as long as they are not criminals as being fair. There are other issues tied to this and that is what is messy. The stupid lottery, chain migration etc.
I tend to agree with 40 on this. The problem is not the illegals that are here, the problem is creating a program that actually encourages far more to cross over so they can take advantage of it.
If the border was fairly secure (it's never going to be 100% secure) then I would have no problem taking all of the ones that are here, putting them through an expedited process with background check, and fast-tracking them to citizenship (assuming they pass)... but the moment you set up that kind of a plan, without a more secure border, the floodgates will open.
They want 25 bill for something that won’t workj. For you conservatives to be about fiscal policy, that sure does seem like a waste.
And besides, f that wall. Mexico ain’t paying for it like trump promised. So now y’all expect Americans to pay for some stupid ass wall that won’t work and only further tarnish our relationship with our neighbors.
The amount of illogical rhetoric I see around here is beyond staggering.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Is it truely a punishment to send someone back to THEIR country?
If they have been here for years (or decades) and have no family there, no history there, no resources there.. then yes, it is a punishment.
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They broke the law to get come here.
The kids had little to no choice. If your in the backseat of the family car and your dad is driving too fast and has had too much to drink should we put the kids in jail too?
Not even close to the same thing and you know it. Living here illegally takes a lot of premeditation. They have to coach their kids on what to say and what not to say. The kids are fully aware they are breaking the law. You think a 10 year old doesn't know? A 15 year old? Do you think being raised in how to cheat the law is great for the long term of our country? Then again maybe laws are not important to you.
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They didn't care that they were breaking the law because they had no respect for our laws to begin with.
This is a flagrant lie. For the most part, as a group, they are as law abiding as any other group of people here once they get here. If it helps you demonize them in your own mind by convincing yourself that they are just running amok and not caring about any laws, have at it.
How is it a lie? They live every single day KNOWING they are breaking the law. Do law abiding citizens break the law every day? So you think it's ok to only follow the laws you like and just ignore the laws that you don't?
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Eventually after many years of breaking US law they stop caring and start to feel entitled.
They start to actually feel like citizens. They are NOT citizens. I don't care what they feel like. Reality always trumps desire. It sucks but we all live in a real world where when you break the law that there are certain consequences. There is no hate involved. We have laws and they should be enforced or changed. As a foreign invader they have no rights to ANYTHING. It doesn't matter if they are nice people or not. They are not entitled to anything but a trip back to their own country not a reward for breaking the law for a long, long time.
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They lied and deceived their neighbors and local government for so long, receiving benefits of a government they are not paying taxes into,
Many studies have been done showing that they put far more into our economy than they take out... but if it helps you to demonize them by believing this, have at it. That just not factually true. Illegals work at lowered wages and depress the value of work. PERIOD. When they can get an illegal to work for far less instead of paying a fair wage it's the legal worker that loses out. Every single time. So long as you get your stuff cheapers its all good though right?
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Yet we can't send our own kids to college, keep our own people fed, and god forbid they need to go to the doctor.
If you can't send your kids to college or feed your family or help feed the needy in your community, or send your kids to the doctor.. that's your fault. Not the fault of some immigrants. DACA bill alone will cost 26 BILLION dollars. We already spend 116 BILLION dollars on BENEFITS to illegal aliens. How many of ACTUAL Americans could go to college for 142 billion dollars?
If all of the immigrants were magically sent home and the cost of your groceries suddenly went up 20%, you'd complain about that too and wonder why the government is doing anything about it.
Here is the simple fact of the matter. IF your here illegally then your a LIAR, a CHEAT, and a LAWBREAKER. That's not an opinion. That's fact. They are not innocent at all. They are stealing over 100 billion dollars a year from taxpayers and that is VERY harmful. So enough with the lame excuses and rewarding people for being liars and cheating the American people.
Here is another way to think of it. 9/11 our worst act of terrorism cost us 5 billion dollars for just one event. Illegals cost us over 100 billion per year. You think about that before you decide it's pure innocence and just ignore it.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Calling kids cheats and liars. How judgemental of you.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Calling kids cheats and liars. How judgemental of you.
At what age do you think kids know right from wrong? At what point being coached to lie is ok to you?
I don't believe in rewarding people for breaking the law. I don't think it's OK to encourage people to go on suicide missions to enter the US illegally because they believe if they can just get their kids here and hide long enough that gullible idiots will then just let them stay because they managed to break the law over and over again for decades.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
So kids who came over here at elementary school age should be treated and viewed as adults in your eyes?
Yea, a 5 year old is really gonna tell his parents “no, I’m not going to follow you to the states”.
As a matter of fact, those kids should’ve called the cops on their parents, and ran for office at 9.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Like I said.....crickets when the question about what to do with the parents....
I made a post in another thread on this but I can summarize my thoughts briefly. Taking all emotion and personal views out of it, my pragmatic viewpoint is there's only two solutions for what to do with the DACA recipients:
- Deport the DACA recipients and their families - Provide the DACA recipients and their families a pathway to citizenship.
Breaking up the families will create far more socioeconomic problems than it solves as these families crossed over quite a long time ago. The reason I am for the latter is less emotional and more pragmatic. If we deport the DACA recipients, we would be also deporting or orphaning US citizen children who were born to a DACA parent during that time frame. We would also be burdening US citizens who run businesses that employ DACA recipients in good standing on work orders.
A young kid comes over with his parents ... he goes home with his parents. It's not separation. It's enforcing the laws. While being here illegally they got plenty of benefits and didn't pay taxes for those benefits. They are not victims. Do you call people who break the law and go to jail over it victims? No, you call it law enforcement. This is no different.
I get that folks feel sympathy for poor people desperate enough to break the law to come into the US. I don't feel any of it though. I just see people who don't want to work to improve their own country and who just want to go somewhere they can escape to and reap the rewards of other people's hard work and sacrifice. I mean that is what it boils down to.
It's ok though because many Americans have become just as lazy and would not make the sacrifices our forefathers did to create our country. We definately don't have appreciation for those precious few making those sacrifices for the community either. Just ask our military or law enforcement if they feel appreciated. They don't but they just sacrifice anyways.
DACA is not trumps fault. It was passed some 10 years ago and should have been dealt with no later than 8 years ago. The failure comes from Obama. Cept obama knew if he just ignored it that it would FORCE this situation. Now we come to today. Now because people were good at lying, sneaking around, and breaking the law you think they should be rewarded citizenship ahead of all those people who have patiently waiting and going through the LEGAL path to citizenship. IT'S NOT RIGHT!!! I sure don't see any of you championing to have all the millions waiting for LEGAL immigration to hurry up and get citizenship. YET for ILLEGAL immigrants you want to give them a free pass. I find it severely disrespectful to all those people busting their hump to come here legally. It's extremely unfair to put lawbreakers first.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I will not support any free blanket pass to citizenship for illegals while making legal citizen applicants wait and pay thousands in fees. It's not right.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Like I said.....crickets when the question about what to do with the parents....
I made a post in another thread on this but I can summarize my thoughts briefly. Taking all emotion and personal views out of it, my pragmatic viewpoint is there's only two solutions for what to do with the DACA recipients:
- Deport the DACA recipients and their families - Provide the DACA recipients and their families a pathway to citizenship.
Breaking up the families will create far more socioeconomic problems than it solves as these families crossed over quite a long time ago. The reason I am for the latter is less emotional and more pragmatic. If we deport the DACA recipients, we would be also deporting or orphaning US citizen children who were born to a DACA parent during that time frame. We would also be burdening US citizens who run businesses that employ DACA recipients in good standing on work orders.
Why just two options??? I can give you 2 more.
1. Provide DACA priotection and deport parents, which most will nix right out of gate. 2. Provide DACA protection and give parents and kids legal resident status, with no pathway to citizenship that is subject to a 10 yr renewal process with background checks that coukd result in deportation if you don’t keep nose clean.
The pathway to citizenship does not need re created. It is there already. Self deport and get in line if legal resident status isn’t good enough.
You made a interesting comment about abandoning kids born here to illegals. Any DACA rules most address the 14th and amend it to requiring at a minimum to having my one biological parent being a US citizen....otherwise this will keep happening with an anchor baby rule.
Read the DACA guidelines. Unless it was updated this does not apply to little kids brought here after 2007 I believe. For protection you had to be here since 2007 and be at least 15. If you didn’t come till 2008, no protection...if you were an infant in 2006 when you came, you don’t meet age requirements...what happens to these little future DACA kids?? The answer is nothing....kick their future can down the road to keep the DACA debate and fight going forever.
DACA rulings should also encompass an end to chain migration or severely limit it to spouse and children under 18.
DACA rules must address the popularity of liberal sanctuary cities and the policies of this cities that lie in direct violation of federal law. The concept of losing federal monies for failing to comply is more than adequate.
This post reads like it comes from someone who wants every last one of them out, no exceptions.
No mitigating circumstances. No excuses. No chance for citizenship.
Is that your position?
I could make exceptions for orphans as in they have no living relatives who would be eligible to chain emigrate and I would only let them have resident status with the option of becoming a full citizen once they meet the requirements.
I can also make way for any who are serving in the military or who are willing to serve in the military. Those willing to die for our country and fight to protect it can have a free pass in my book if they serve 4 or more years.
Otherwise the family entered illegally together so they can leave together. I see no reason to let them use their child to fish hook and then anchor in.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
It's ok though because many Americans have become just as lazy and would not make the sacrifices our forefathers did to create our country.
Are you referring to the LAWBREAKERS who committed treason against their own government?
like a lot of people.
1776.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I have a feeling that my recitation of US immigration law isn't going to get me very far with St. Peter or Jesus or whomever I might be speaking. The number of passages and parables that say I should love, care for, feed, clothe, and help these people far outweigh the few references that imply that I should endorse man's "law"...
I what to be a fly on the wall when so many folks claim "No we never ever supported killing babies. Only aborting them" I can hear St Peter now using his best Bill Cosby voice.... RIGHT
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