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They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


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We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....

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Sup with conservatives and always talking about guns? Y’all got a murder fantasy or something?


It's so funny. The party that wants to ban all guns wants to shoot people for voting Republican.

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They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....


Yes, this is very similar to being an illegal immigrant.

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Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....


Yes, this is very similar to being an illegal immigrant.
How about a parent and their child sneaks into your home, you then call the police and they tell you they are not allowed to do anything because the neighbor has decided that you should have to take them in, pay for food, pay for their schooling, and give them room and board. that better for you?

Illegal is illegal.

Are they for the most part trying to better their lives, yes they are. Does that mean they should get to skirt US law, no it doesn't.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....


Yes, this is very similar to being an illegal immigrant.
How about a parent and their child sneaks into your home, you then call the police and they tell you they are not allowed to do anything because the neighbor has decided that you should have to take them in, pay for food, pay for their schooling, and give them room and board. that better for you?

Illegal is illegal.

Are they for the most part trying to better their lives, yes they are. Does that mean they should get to skirt US law, no it doesn't.



Well, the US does have squatting laws, so your horrible analogy could still happen to legal US residents and have. Where the owner of the property no longer has legal rights. But your analogy is really stupid because illegal presence is not property theft, even in the slightest. Illegal isn't just illegal and that redundant view of our laws is why your analogies suck. Speeding and 1st degree murder have different punishments for a reason, don't forget that!

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....


Yes, this is very similar to being an illegal immigrant.
How about a parent and their child sneaks into your home, you then call the police and they tell you they are not allowed to do anything because the neighbor has decided that you should have to take them in, pay for food, pay for their schooling, and give them room and board. that better for you?

Illegal is illegal.

Are they for the most part trying to better their lives, yes they are. Does that mean they should get to skirt US law, no it doesn't.



Well, the US does have squatting laws, so your horrible analogy could still happen to legal US residents and have. Where the owner of the property no longer has legal rights. But your analogy is really stupid because illegal presence is not property theft, even in the slightest. Illegal isn't just illegal and that redundant view of our laws is why your analogies suck. Speeding and 1st degree murder have different punishments for a reason, don't forget that!
It is against the law to come to this country without going through the proper channels - yes or no?

Illegal is not illegal - is about the dumbest comment I have ever heard.

And yes, speeding is illegal - so what is the point of that analogy? How does speeding and 1st degree murder having different punishments have anything to with the fact of what we are talking about? Last I checked, deportation was not life in prison. . . . . .

If you don't like the law, change it. However the law is the law, and thus should be followed.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Day of the Dawg
They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.
- I want to improve my own life by hacking your 401K / Pension and taking all your money, do I get arrested or do you "look past the illegal part" because I was just trying to improve my life.....


Yes, this is very similar to being an illegal immigrant.
How about a parent and their child sneaks into your home, you then call the police and they tell you they are not allowed to do anything because the neighbor has decided that you should have to take them in, pay for food, pay for their schooling, and give them room and board. that better for you?

Illegal is illegal.

Are they for the most part trying to better their lives, yes they are. Does that mean they should get to skirt US law, no it doesn't.



Well, the US does have squatting laws, so your horrible analogy could still happen to legal US residents and have. Where the owner of the property no longer has legal rights. But your analogy is really stupid because illegal presence is not property theft, even in the slightest. Illegal isn't just illegal and that redundant view of our laws is why your analogies suck. Speeding and 1st degree murder have different punishments for a reason, don't forget that!
I actually would have more respect for the left if they would just say what they want and what their end goal is. Votes. They do not care about the DACA or immigrants. All they want are votes, thus proven by the deal Trump offered with the wall funding.

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They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.


If they all voted Republican you guys would be mowing them down with Machine guns at the boarder.
aint THAT the truth!


Y'all vote republican and we don't have our machine guns trained on you...

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It is against the law to come to this country without going through the proper channels - yes or no?

Do you know what illegal presence means or do you still think it's property theft?

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Illegal is not illegal - is about the dumbest comment I have ever heard.

1. No one said that.
2. How you hearing things on the Internet?
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And yes, speeding is illegal - so what is the point of that analogy? How does speeding and 1st degree murder having different punishments have anything to with the fact of what we are talking about? Last I checked, deportation was not life in prison. . . . . .

Different crimes have different punishments, that's all. I thought you needed to be reminded of it since you have such a bad understanding of illegal presence.

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If you don't like the law, change it. However the law is the law, and thus should be followed.


That's not how civil disobedience works, but OK.

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I actually would have more respect for the left if they would just say what they want and what their end goal is. Votes. They do not care about the DACA or immigrants. All they want are votes, thus proven by the deal Trump offered with the wall funding.



You know that illegal immigrants can't vote, right? Or are you saying that the Democrats are just thinking 20+ years into the future?

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.


If they all voted Republican you guys would be mowing them down with Machine guns at the boarder.
aint THAT the truth!


Y'all vote republican and we don't have our machine guns trained on you...


That’s because we have more guns than you.


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I actually would have more respect for the left if they would just say what they want and what their end goal is. Votes. They do not care about the DACA or immigrants. All they want are votes, thus proven by the deal Trump offered with the wall funding.



You know that illegal immigrants can't vote, right? Or are you saying that the Democrats are just thinking 20+ years into the future?
Which is exactly the reason the left wants amnesty for 15million of them. ...

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Typical, blaming the left when Trump is clearly on the record for saying he'd take the heat for it?


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If they all voted Republican you guys would be mowing them down with Machine guns at the boarder.



If they all voted Republican you guys would be leading the way with amnesty proposals of your own. Team Arrrr all the way.


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They should pass a law that if a mayor or any elected official of a sanctuary city that harbors an illegal and that illegal commits a crime that mayor and any other elected official should also be held accountable for the crime.


OR

We could just stop dwelling on the "illegal" immigrant others as the root of our problems and look at them as people trying to improve their own lives. Then we might come up with a solution that works for everyone.


If they all voted Republican you guys would be mowing them down with Machine guns at the boarder.
aint THAT the truth!


Y'all vote republican and we don't have our machine guns trained on you...


That’s because we have more guns than you.


Your guns mean very little. We control science, the internet, education, and english. tongue

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And yet with your supposed grasp on all that you still don’t know how life works.

Handouts and socialism for all! It will be great...just ask Venezuela.


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If they all voted Republican you guys would be mowing them down with Machine guns at the boarder.



If they all voted Republican you guys would be leading the way with amnesty proposals of your own. Team Arrrr all the way.



Then we can all agree all sides absolutely suck. Always have sucked, will always continue to suck. The only winning going on is the politicians on all sides getting rich while making laws for us they don't have to follow.


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And yet with your supposed grasp on all that you still don’t know how life works.

Handouts and socialism for all! It will be great...just ask Venezuela.


or we can ask western european countries.


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No.


He’s right. That’s why the founders suggested (why they didn’t just implement them is a bane on us to this day) TERM LIMITS!

They didn’t place themselves (on either side) under the ACA, did they? Why not?


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No.


He’s right. That’s why the founders suggested (why they didn’t just implement them is a bane on us to this day) TERM LIMITS!

They didn’t place themselves (on either side) under the ACA, did they? Why not?



I am all for term limits but I just don't see all politicians as being bad. Some really care and some actually represent those who sent them to Washington.

So do I agree that all politicians suck?

No.

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No.


He’s right. That’s why the founders suggested (why they didn’t just implement them is a bane on us to this day) TERM LIMITS!

They didn’t place themselves (on either side) under the ACA, did they? Why not?



I am all for term limits but I just don't see all politicians as being bad. Some really care and some actually represent those who sent them to Washington.

So do I agree that all politicians suck?

No.


Then again, I said all sides suck, not all politicians. A good one here and there slips in but it's never enough to move the needle, not even slightly. The machine continues to roll.


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No.


He’s right. That’s why the founders suggested (why they didn’t just implement them is a bane on us to this day) TERM LIMITS!

They didn’t place themselves (on either side) under the ACA, did they? Why not?



I am all for term limits but I just don't see all politicians as being bad. Some really care and some actually represent those who sent them to Washington.

So do I agree that all politicians suck?

No.


Then again, I said all sides suck, not all politicians. A good one here and there slips in but it's never enough to move the needle, not even slightly. The machine continues to roll.



The machine is currently up and running and America is once again open for business. I like the tax cuts, the growth in the economy, the soaring stock market, the coming immigration reform, NATO paying its share, NK talking peace, etc.

No. All sides don't suck right now.

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I think most politicians suck. And I can go from local, town politicians, to township politicians, to county politicians, to state and to federal.

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I think most politicians suck. And I can go from local, town politicians, to township politicians, to county politicians, to state and to federal.


Ahh, but the statement Tulsa made said all sides suck.
Do I think all politicians or all sides suck?

No.
If you ran for office I wouldn't think you suck and I would gladly vote for you. thumbsup

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Amid growing US immigration crackdown, Canada quietly enforcing own laws

Amid an ongoing illegal immigration crackdown in the United States and the Trump administration's hardline rhetoric, Canadian officials fear more illegals living in the U.S. could be driven to seek refuge north of the border.

More than 13,000 people crossed into Canada illegally in 2017 alone, according to Canadian government data. That’s more than five times the number intercepted by Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 2016.

The influx created a massive backlog of refugee claimants and, this year, the Canadian government wants to avoid a repeat --especially after the Trump administration announced it would be ending the temporary protective status of an estimated 200,000 Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S., though that change won't occur until 2019.


“You can’t just come to Canada and cross the border and stay there for the rest of your life,” Pablo Rodriguez, a member of the Canadian Parliament and a government envoy to the U.S., told the Los Angeles Times. “We want to avoid a humanitarian crisis along the border.”

Rodriquez, himself an immigrant who arrived to Canada as a political refugee from Argentina, is among several Canadian lawmakers and dignitaries sent to the U.S. by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in recent months to combat misinformation about gaining asylum across the border.

He recently told a dozen immigration attorneys and immigration rights leaders in California that, while Canada welcomes immigrants and refugees, any entry must be made legally.

“We want to have an honest, transparent conversation,” Rodriguez said. “Canada is a very open country, but there are rules.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/30/...g-own-laws.html

Seems everyone with any sense sees the truth about illegal immigration except the American Left.

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Whatabout.....

Reagan and Bush are each credited with issuing multiple executive grants of immigration relief?

A 1987 action Reagan took on the heels of the Immigration Reform and Control Act. 1986 immigration overhaul granted legal status for many, but not all, illegal immigrants.

Crucially, the law did not automatically apply to the spouses or children of newly-legalized immigrants, which meant families across the country were vulnerable to being split based on differences in legal status.

Reagan 1987 executive action to legalize the status of minor children of parents granted amnesty under the immigration overhaul affected an estimated 100,000 families. (Note that spouses and children of couples where one parent, but not both, qualified for amnesty were not included in Reagan's policy.)

Reagan’s 1987 action parallels Obama’s DACA in some key ways, but differs in others.

DACA provided a temporary reprieve from deportation, and it fell short of giving legal status to eligible immigrants, as Reagan’s 1987 action did.


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Amid growing US immigration crackdown, Canada quietly enforcing own laws

Amid an ongoing illegal immigration crackdown in the United States and the Trump administration's hardline rhetoric, Canadian officials fear more illegals living in the U.S. could be driven to seek refuge north of the border.

More than 13,000 people crossed into Canada illegally in 2017 alone, according to Canadian government data. That’s more than five times the number intercepted by Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 2016.

The influx created a massive backlog of refugee claimants and, this year, the Canadian government wants to avoid a repeat --especially after the Trump administration announced it would be ending the temporary protective status of an estimated 200,000 Salvadoran immigrants in the U.S., though that change won't occur until 2019.


“You can’t just come to Canada and cross the border and stay there for the rest of your life,” Pablo Rodriguez, a member of the Canadian Parliament and a government envoy to the U.S., told the Los Angeles Times. “We want to avoid a humanitarian crisis along the border.”

Rodriquez, himself an immigrant who arrived to Canada as a political refugee from Argentina, is among several Canadian lawmakers and dignitaries sent to the U.S. by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in recent months to combat misinformation about gaining asylum across the border.

He recently told a dozen immigration attorneys and immigration rights leaders in California that, while Canada welcomes immigrants and refugees, any entry must be made legally.

“We want to have an honest, transparent conversation,” Rodriguez said. “Canada is a very open country, but there are rules.”

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/30/...g-own-laws.html

Seems everyone with any sense sees the truth about illegal immigration except the American Left.
I specifically remember someone arguing with me last week about how when we put a border wall the illegals will FLY to Canada, then cross their border into the US. Hmmmm seems this contradicts that idiotic idea.


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I wonder why the left doesn't complain about Canada not being open minded and helping out fellow man. 13K illegals in a year - and we are the ones who are horrible for not opening up our borders.


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“You can’t just come to Canada and cross the border and stay there for the rest of your life,” Pablo Rodriguez, a member of the Canadian Parliament and a government envoy to the U.S., told the Los Angeles Times. “We want to avoid a humanitarian crisis along the border.” Rodriquez, himself an immigrant who arrived to Canada as a political refugee from Argentina
No one is calling him a racist, huh.

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I specifically remember someone arguing with me last week about how when we put a border wall the illegals will FLY to Canada, then cross their border into the US. Hmmmm seems this contradicts that idiotic idea.
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Well, that person had their butt handed to them in that discussion.

The topic was illegal immigrants. He started in with how Canada has gone visa less "for travelers/visitors". He then proceeded to think illegal immigrants would just fly to Canada and walk across the border.

I guess he wasn't aware that in order to fly, you need i.d. and documentation.

Course, he argued that as well by telling us he got out of a Mexican prison by pawning his watch.

Then he tried to say the illegals could get illegal papers and still make the trip.

The more he typed, the deeper he fell into "I won't admit I'm wrong" ground. He looked foolish.

Wish I could remember who that was.................Oh, I remember.

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He recently told a dozen immigration attorneys and immigration rights leaders in California that, while Canada welcomes immigrants and refugees, any entry must be made legally.

“We want to have an honest, transparent conversation,” Rodriguez said. “Canada is a very open country, but there are rules.


That's flat out the extremely simple bottom line that some on here just can't get through their heads. It's, on one hand, laughable that some are so dense, yet on the other hand, it's scary because they get to vote.

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I specifically remember someone arguing with me last week about how when we put a border wall the illegals will FLY to Canada, then cross their border into the US. Hmmmm seems this contradicts that idiotic idea.


Well, that person had their butt handed to them in that discussion.

The topic was illegal immigrants. He started in with how Canada has gone visa less "for travelers/visitors". He then proceeded to think illegal immigrants would just fly to Canada and walk across the border.

I guess he wasn't aware that in order to fly, you need i.d. and documentation.

Course, he argued that as well by telling us he got out of a Mexican prison by pawning his watch.

Then he tried to say the illegals could get illegal papers and still make the trip.

The more he typed, the deeper he fell into "I won't admit I'm wrong" ground. He looked foolish.

Wish I could remember who that was.................Oh, I remember.[/quote]

I also find it funny, that for going Visa-less this article states they are INCREASING their security. . . . .seems that SOMEONE is STILL looking foolish.


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Do you know you just quoted me, and added nothing?


I did it just didn't fall inside the quote box.

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