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Smith was on the radio today basically saying that he didn't want to play for the Browns.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html

I see you are still going hard with the character attacks. Where did I make stuff up? Where have I EVER made stuff up?

I would bet that the fact that he got a 4 year extension with $70 million guaranteed, when he will be 34 when the season starts, had a whole lot to do with it. He'll be 35 in year 1 of the extension. Smith has been remarkably sturdy, but not a lot of guys make it to 35, 36, or 37 in the NFL.

I think that Smith's appeal, as far as the Browns were concerned, was that he did have only 1 year left on his current deal. He could bridge to the next QB, but would not be a millstone with a huge, long term deal.

I think this is accurate. I don't think we were ever contenders for Alex Smith because we were looking at him as a bridge, Washington wants him to be their starter for the rest of his career.

They tag Keenum, he signs it immediately, and they can't rescind it. No chance he lets them drag it out.

71 million? I don't know that Alex is too concerned.

But yes, this seems like an epically bad deal for Washington. I almost feel bad for Redskins fans. I'm much happier as a Browns fan after this.

Washington lost a pretty good player.

Sounds like Kansas City pretty much traded a second round pick for one of the best young corners in the game and a third round pick.

Washington should be the laughing stock of the NFL.

It's a brutal division, too. The Eagles and Cowboys boast two of the NFL's most talented young rosters, with young franchise quarterbacks who are starting to find their feet. The Giants are a bit of a mess, so that's a plus, but that's a tough division.

Smith wasn't disrespect in how he talked about the browns. It was more matter of fact than any kind of loathing. Of course he wanted to go to a playoff contender. I mean he is at the end of his journey.

Kirk Cousins DID NOT WANT to stay with the redskins. He refused to sign anything except a franchise tag. It's not Washington didn't want him it's that Cousins just truly desired to have control over his own life for once.

Browns would be fools not to pursue cousins but if he doesn't want to come here then so be it. There are 5 good QBs in this draft and we can definitely get one of them.

And instead you switched it to watch Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.

j/c:

That A.Smith contract looks ridiculous....Dan Snyder gonna Dan Snyder, I guess.

Oh, and all day I should be seeing the people that hated on Sashi for not getting JG do the same for Dorsey not getting Smith, right?

Speaking as someone that used to follow Washington closely....

Cousins was not going to resign with Washington. I posted this on here last year when i found it. It was pretty common knowledge to Washington fans that didn't have their heads in the sand.

You guys think your owner/front office was a mess? You have no idea what true dysfunction looks like.

Washington stumbled upon 2 young potential ffranchise QBs and managed to ruin both situations.

It's an example of why/how a bad organization cant have a franchise QB.

I don't see why the Browns wouldn't be in contention to sign Kirk?

Kirk new what he was doing with the stance he took with the organization and that required the acceptance that he could end up anywhere.

Kirk wants to 'feel the love' and often times that love comes with money.

So, let me get this straight:

Washington traded a 3rd rounder, their best young defender, and gave up 70 million guaranteed for a 34 year old QB ... when they already had their own younger commodity

I really thought we would get Alex Smith. Hot damn! Hopefully we can get another quality vet and then pick up the best QB in the draft, take it from there.

I think you got it.

I wonder how hard we tried for Smith. Is this the first fail of the young Dorsey era?

Either way, I want Cousins. Now we can concentrate our total effort in signing him.

I don't think this should be considered a fail for John Dorsey. I'm sure other factors played into this that were out of the FO's control like the contract extension (which I'm glad we didn't give A. Smith).

I'm guessing Redskins fans are pretty upset this morning knowing a better, younger QB is leaving alongside a boat load of guaranteed money for an aging QB, a young talented CB, and a third rounder. Maybe the Cousins relationship couldn't be saved, but still, it must sting in the Metro D.C. area this morning.

Outside of Cousins, are there any quality vets available? Sure, there are 'journyman' QB's on the market and this is likely what we would have to settle for. Our rookie draftee may be seeing playing time sooner than we expect...

Dorsey wasn't trying.

I mean, the deal was for a 3rd round selection and Kendall Fuller, who is very talented but has relatively low trade value because he's only under contract for two years before the re-signing requires a pretty penny - Same reason we got Jamie Collins for only a 3rd and Jimmy G only cost a 2nd.

KC robbed Washington, but that isn't a tough deal to beat if your heart is in it. Especially considering Dorsey has 2x firsts, 3x seconds, a third and 2x fourths to play with.

Now, people will say that the Browns tried everything but Smith just didn't want to come, but I have my doubts considering, 1) Smith has seen first hand how quickly Dorsey can build a roster and, 2) KC aren't in a position to be turning down additional value for Smith when the pressure is on to get it right around Mahomes, easing his transition in to the league. The Browns couldn't offer a Fuller, but could have offered far more draft value.

Dorsey once gave up two second round selections for Smith. If he really wanted him, he'd have got him.

J/C

I'll bet Sashi is thinking, "They can't blame me for this one!"

In all seriousness, I wonder if the relationship between Dorsey and Andy Reid had anything to do with this. Did Dorsey leave KC on good terms? Was he the loser of a power struggle as some have suggested?

Also, while many of us (myself included) thought that Smith made the most sense, hopefully Dorsey and Co. had Smith as only one of several options/possibilities for a veteran mentor to a rookie QB. I would hope that any competent NFL front office would have plans A,B,C, etc. ready to act on.

While I'm disappointed we didn't trade for Smith, it doesn't mean our front office is, as he may not have been plan A.

No, unless you consider Sashi's inability to land JG a failure also. I don't...

jc

people honestly thought Smith was gonna come here?

he's a playoff QB with only a few years left in his career. he isn't coming to the basement of the AFC North.

people also need to prepare themselves for Cousins NOT coming here as well. i want here badly, but in reality, its a long shot.

Someone posted a link earlier to a reputable twitter account that there were only two serious players for Smith and we weren't one of them.

Still pushing that agenda I see....


I don't think you should blame Sashi or Dorsey if you want to blame anyone for something that's not really "blame-able" it's most likely Haslam.

How much would "convincing Smith" be a part of it? He was traded, not a FA. And I don't blame Dorsey for not getting Smith.

It's not about selling 1-31. He was traded.

I think it was from the Orange and Brown report (Lane Adkins).

So you blaming Sashi for the Browns not trading for Alex Smith is simply the truth and not part of an agenda?

He had say. No doubt. But let's not pretend he carries enough influence for KC to shoot down a major deal. If Dorsey wanted him, we'd be talking about our new QB. A 3rd and Fuller just isn't an unbeatable deal. Heck, he could have gone balls out and offered three 2nd round picks.

Would KC really turn that down just because Alex Smith wanted Washington?

I don't even feel like he wanted Washington. Why would you willingly enter the same division as Dallas and Philly? As far as I'm concerned, all Washington did was get a worse QB on to a worse team than his last, and it cost them a top corner and a 3rd round pick. They're still the 3rd worst team in their division, and they're further back as a result.

I think there is more to it eotab. I know for a fact that garrapalo got traded out from under our noses because sashi Brown was an idiot, did not do his job and just blew our chance to get a qb. I know that because a bunch of people on his board said so. so obviously sashi Brown bungled another opportunity for the browns to get a quality qb. Twice in one season sashi Brown failed to pull off a trade for a qb. we need to fire that guy!!!!!

lmao what

Fuller had very high trade value. It's unusual for a team to have such a good player under contract for 2 more years at less than $1million/season... that is asset not a liability.

When you have good players, eventually you have to pay them. But there's a dynamic at play where the team the player is on almost always has a leg up to extend a player because they can offer a contract long before the player actually hits unrestricted free agency-- usually it makes more sense, from a practical and financial-security standpoint, for a player to take a reasonable offer from the team rather than to try to maximize every dollar in free agency. The latter approach entails a lot of risk (injury, declining play, etc.)

I'm glad we didn't make the trade for Smith. We're not ready to compete even with all the cap space and draft picks we have, and Washington gave up an awful lot in terms of of the pick, player, and guaranteed money. Alex Smith is a good QB but not elite, and he will turn 34 soon. For every Brett Favre and Tom Brady who plays excellently in his late 30s and even early 40s, there are a lot of QBs that start to decline in their mid 30s and some even sooner than that.

Did I say that?

Thinking to myself..... I didn't hear the fat lady sing. This trade can't be signed off on until March, and things can change between now and then.

We'll see.

I love the immediate value of Fuller, but it's questionable of his long term value.

Are you also accounting for the fact that Marcus Peters is in need of a long-term contract? They can give him a 5th year option, but the tag doesn't help the value given a CB is like $15M already.

I'm not aware of any team paying two corners that that calibre long-term deals - especially with a FS on an $80M deal and no opt out until after Peters and Fuller get their price bump.

I just don't see that long-term value to make it an unmatchable value when KC don't have the cap space needed.

PFF has him rated as elite (#6 corner overall). Somebody above posted another site that had him rated as the #1 slot corner in the league. The guy is 22 years old and is under contract for 2 more years at less than 0.75million/year. If that isn't value then I don't know what is.