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This stuff is crazy. Here is a shorter article and I'll give the link for a more comprehensive article in case anyone wants to read it. It's worth reading but I get that most people don't like spending that much time reading. Larry Nassar Michigan State's Issues With Reporting Sexual Assault Go Well Beyond The Larry Nassar Scandal Nick Martin Today 4:41pmFiled to: Michigan State Spartans Michigan State trustee Joel Ferguson said it first, and he said it best: “There’s so many more things going on at the university than just this Nassar thing.” Just two hours after MSU athletic director Mark Hollis resigned his post, ESPN’s Outside the Lines provided the reason behind the immediacy of his rushed press conference, publishing a detailed report revealing that under his rule, athletics department officials and Spartans coaches routinely shirked their Title IX reporting duties and fostered an environment for the men’s basketball and football teams that rarely punished responsible abusers or assailants through the proper channels, if at all. Hollis’ resignation came two days after OTL reached out to a university spokesperson to request comments from the athletic department’s leadership; ESPN also sought to speak with various members of the Spartans coaching staffs, as OTL reported on numerous makeshift investigations handled by head coaches and staffers. After the senior leadership declined to speak with OTL, the department offered the following statement on Thursday: “Over the past several years, we have dedicated significant new resources to strengthening our efforts to combat sexual violence. Every day, people across campus are working diligently on this critical issue. We acknowledge, however, that we have sometimes fallen short of our goal and the expectations of others. It is clear more needs to be done, and we are using every resource available to get better.” The men’s basketball team, the 2009 national runners-up, takes focus in the OTL report, which first follows the case of physical abuse carried out by then-staffer and Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year Travis Walton. In the fall of 2010, MSU junior Ashley Thompson and her friends were out in East Lansing, grabbing drinks to memorialize a friend who had died in a car crash. Walton, then a MSU men’s basketball undergraduate assistant, was out at the same bar and tried to approach Thompson’s group. “He started speaking with us, and I’m like, ‘I’m sorry. Can you just give us a moment?’” Thompson told Outside the Lines. “And he was like, ‘You don’t know who I am?’ And I was like, ‘I really don’t care who you are.’ And he kind of got angry at that point, and I told him to not-so-politely F-off.” She says Walton — who at the time was an undergraduate student assistant coach under Tom Izzo — instantly became angry. “I barely got the words out of my mouth, and he came across and he struck me on the right side of my face,” she says. “I kind of reached back toward him, and I didn’t make contact, and then that’s when he swung with a second reach and hit me on the left side of my face and hit me so hard that it knocked me backwards off of my barstool.” The East Lansing Police Department spoke with two witnesses who corroborated Thompson’s account of the evening, and issued his arrest warrant on counts of misdemeanor assault and battery. Two months after pleading not guilty, Walton had his case dismissed, with the city attorneys letting him plead his case down to a civil infraction for littering. Thompson told OTL she was “absolutely livid,” and “heartbroken,” but that the same city attorneys advised her against running a complaint through the university. A month later, in April 2010, Walton and two MSU players were named in a rape report relayed directly to university counselors and Hollis by the victim and her parents. Hollis promised the woman and her parents he would “conduct his own investigation,” which he did—after “several weeks,” the trio met with Hollis and associate athletic director Alan Haller. The MSU representatives said, according to a letter from former MSU sexual assault counselor Lauren Allswede documenting the conversation, that “none of the players were reprimanded in any way,” but instead were given talks by the coaching staff. Walton was reportedly fired, though he denied even knowing about the incident when asked by OTL. When they asked him about punching the MSU student in the face, he called them “false accusations.” A similar tale came from the case of Carolyn Schaner, who filed a report with campus police the night after she was sexually assaulted by men’s basketball players Adreian Payne and Keith Appling in August 2010. Schaner’s case was dropped after Ingham County assistant prosecutor Debra Rousseau Martinez told the student “she did not seem strong enough to stand up to questioning.” Schaner didn’t stop with the campus police, filing a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights in June 2011, which the university fought. Martinez now works in the Michigan State Title IX office. The football coaching staff was no better—according to the report, at least 16 women have been sexually assaulted by MSU football players since Mark Dantonio was hired as head coach in 2007. When Auston Robertson and then a trio of MSU players—Donnie Corley, Josh King, and Demetric Vance—were reported for two separate instances of sexual assault within two months of each other, the head coach downplayed the issue when questioned by reporters, pointing to his tenure and the lack of consistent reports of abuse on his team. OTL wrote that through its reporting, it uncovered “three reports of physical violence and three reported sexual assaults” committed by football players that were previously not publicly known, though “each was investigated by campus police.” Dantonio and his staff also directly stepped in and assumed disciplinary duties multiple times—a direct violation of university and federal protocol for handling reports of sexual assault. In an interview with Allswede, who found out from a university attorney that around 2011, another case of sexual assault was handled by Dantonio simply making the player speak with his own mother about his actions. Staffer Curtis Blackwell was canned in the spring of 2017 for failing to report an assault; he instead reached out to the woman sexually assaulted by Corley, King, and Vance. The lawyer that spoke with Allswede was part of the same group constituting the school’s general counsel, the same bunch that advised the university to force ESPN to take them to court by denying its request for full sexual assault-related police reports in 2014. The MSU lawyers then preemptively sued ESPN last year in an attempt to keep said records under seal. The school’s case was tossed out by the judge, who chided the university for trying to discourage public records requests. This systematic failure to comply with federal and university policies regarding sexual assault reporting was most recently highlighted by MSU’s mishandling of the Larry Nassar sex abuse scandal, namely its 2014 internal investigation. According to a report from the Lansing State Journal, MSU failed to send the full summary of a 2014 investigation of Nassar to his victim—the investigation cleared Nassar of wrongdoing, with a committee headed by a close friend of Nassar’s concluding the woman, Amanda Thomashow, didn’t know the “nuanced difference” between a medical procedure and sexual assault. The university proceeded to send two very different copies of its investigative findings. Thomashow’s version of the investigation summary report read “we find the claim helpful in that it allows us to examine certain practices at the MSU Sports Medicine Clinic.” However, in the version sent to the aforementioned university lawyers, Nassar, and Nassar’s boss William Strampel the report read “we find that the failure to obtain consent from patients prior to the procedure is likewise exposing the practice to liability.” In 2014, the same year the Nassar investigation began, the Office of Civil Rights opened an investigation into MSU’s systematic failure to properly report and respond to sexual assault. As of today, the university has still yet to hand over all required documents to the Department of Education regarding the Nassar case, though until school president Lou Anna Simon stepped down, that didn’t figure to be much of an issue. Last September, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos rolled back Title IX-related federal guidelines, making it more difficult for victims to report crimes though an already convoluted system. DeVos and her family pledged $10 million to MSU last year, earning her a speech at the ribbon-cutting ceremony for a new campus research center and a meeting with Simon. The next month, MSU formally asked the Department of Education to cease its monitoring of the school, claiming to have gone “above and beyond” what was expected of the institution. All it actually did was start seriously funding its Office of Institutional Equity, bumping its budget from $300,000 in 2015 to $1.2 million in 2017, per OTL. Trying to smooth out the PR headache her MSU friendliness could cause her, DeVos said on Thursday—after Simon stepped down—that the Department of Education will investigate the university for its role in the Nassar scandal. You can and should read both the report from Lansing State Journal and the OTL report. https://deadspin.com/michigan-states-issues-with-reporting-sexual-assault-go-1822463064Here is the link to a more comprehensive article: http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/2221...assar-case-espnI hate saying things too early, but damn, Michigan State looks guilty as can be and that includes two well-respected coaches.
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they are getting purged right now. and rightfully so. man, i thought we would never see a situation like Penn state, but this crap has blown it completely out of the water.
just a massive failure from leadership from the top down. my thoughts go out to the athletes, but we gotta figure this crap out cause it seems like an epidemic right now.
having two daughters myself, this crap is scary.
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when there are established cultures of abuse, rape, etc (especially at an institute with this much money being involved) ... it's scary stuff
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about time some angry fathers get together and give these punks an education to die for.
I hate scumbags that get off hurting women. I'd rather they just die. They don't even get any real jail time if convicted. The state of Michigan is so lenient on sex offenders that it's a complete joke.
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Just got my first whiff of this on BSPN. I was floored. The Olympics thing shocked me as it kept growing, but this just disgusted me and I was blown away. This is how vigilante stuff happens. I thought the Party program was tough and classy. I need to know more, but just looks like a horror show. Shameful.
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Whoa! If these cover up reports prove accurate, that school needs a death sentence.
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Full damage control by Dantonio and Izzo. Both denying rumors of resignation and wrong doing.
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Whoa! If these cover up reports prove accurate, that school needs a death sentence. I was thinking about this earlier. I hope their Students and Alumni weren't screaming "Death Sentence" too loudly when Penn State had the Sandusky issue.
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As sad as this sounds, I think as time goes on we'll see more of this type of behavior being exposed. It has been reported for years how universities have either ignored or turned their heads when it comes to allegations of sexual abuse and now it's actually reaching the light of day.
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when there are established cultures of abuse, rape, etc (especially at an institute with this much money being involved) ... it's scary stuff It's happening all over the country at universities. Obviously not like this with an employee, but students raping other students, and the schools doing very little about it is a huge problem. Everyone at MSU that knew about this should lose their jobs, and even be investigated by the authories... These people are supposed to be looking out for the well-being of all the young people that these parents have handed off to them. It's a disgrace. Mark Emmert, and probably everyone else at the top of the NCAA needs to go too. Might be a good time to rethink the way they do things. It's pretty funny that they'll turn their head when it's a rape, but if a football player accepts a free meal from someone, he's burned at the stake. Blows my mind.
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having two daughters myself, this crap is scary.
I only have 1 daughter and crap like this is scary. Sadly, it seems to happen everywhere. Wife and I were talking just last night about stuff like this.
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These incidents need to be investigated properly. I am so sick of this crap, ESPN a radical liberal nut case indicting people on word of mouth in the court of public opinion. They need to bury Michigan State for this and set a precedent, if you don't hand this [censored] over to the authorities, PROPER authorities there is a ZERO tolerance for this.
University police being involved, coaches (TF?) and players mothers? Bury them, this garbage needs to end, there is not some sudden epidemic of rapes on college campuses, this rape hysteria is just that, hysteria. Rape statistics are not suddenly spiking sky high, the media attention to it has just grown exponentially.
My point is the University is at fault for allowing this to go on, any and ALL rape or sexual assault claims need to be investigated by police not ESPN, not the university, not the coaching staff. ESPN is more interested in breaking a story for ratings than the justice for these women and if they weren't they would have just handed all this information over to the FBI.
Zero tolerance should apply to ESPN, the university and the coaching staff. One trying to create a story by any means and the others trying to stop it, two absolute pieces of [censored] trying to combat each other ignoring the victims, avoiding truth.
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I think that NCAA needs more definitive and stricter rules in this area. In-house investigations by athletic departments are not appropriate to handle such allegations. Of course many of these departments are going to try to cover up what is going on for all the obvious reasons.
And like you and Pit said, rape is widespread in countless universities and have been taking place for a long, long time.
My children are older now, but I can tell you that I was very strict when it came to academics and their behavior. Excellent grades and respectful behavior were a must and were always in our conversations. But, even above those two things, I wanted to know that my children were safe when they went to school. And that never changed no matter what level of education they were at.
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Damn sparty, if I had to give props to michigan, it was east Lansing. Get your stuff together
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Hell in Michigan you can rape a 12 year old and you MIGHT get 6 months in jail. It's disgusting.
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One thing I think you may need to consider, if the media doersn't apply the pressure and expose a lot of this, nothing may ever be done. As much as you may hate the press, history dictates that a lot of things get covered up if it never reaches the light of day and if pressure isn't being forced to the powers that be.
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One thing I think you may need to consider, if the media doersn't apply the pressure and expose a lot of this, nothing may ever be done. As much as you may hate the press, history dictates that a lot of things get covered up if it never reaches the light of day and if pressure isn't being forced to the powers that be. ESPN's journalism gets slept on heavy. Bob Levy and the OTL crew does a great job.
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And Now this.... "Texas governor orders criminal probe into Nassar allegations at gymnastics ranch" AUSTIN, Texas — Texas Gov. Greg Abbott ordered a criminal investigation Tuesday into claims that former doctor Larry Nassar abused some of his victims at a Texas ranch that was the training ground for U.S. women's gymnastics. Abbott ordered the Texas Rangers, the state's top criminal investigations unit, to look into the Karolyi Ranch. It hosted training camps for more than a decade until earlier this year. The Walker County Sheriff's Office is already investigating. Several gymnasts have said Nassar abused them at the ranch. Nassar was sentenced to 40 to 175 years in prison last week. More than 150 women and girls have said he had molested them under the guise of medical treatment. Abbott called the allegations "gut-wrenching." He ordered the state investigation because the claims involve multiple jurisdictions and states. "Those athletes, as well as all Texans, deserve to know that no stone is left unturned to ensure that the allegations are thoroughly vetted and the perpetrators and enablers of any such misconduct are brought to justice. The people of Texas demand, and the victims deserve, nothing less," Abbott said. The ranch is owned by former national team coordinators Bela and Martha Karolyi. USA Gymnastics cut ties with the ranch earlier this month, a few days after Olympic champion Simone Biles and said she dreaded the thought of having to return there to train. Other gymnasts have also said they were abused at the ranch. "It is impossibly difficult to relive these experiences and it breaks my heart even more to think that as I work towards my dream of competing in Tokyo 2020, I will have to continually return to the same training facility where I was abused," Biles said in a statement. Nassar's accusers have said he would use his ungloved hands to penetrate them and other inappropriate touching when they were seeking treatment for back, hip, leg, foot and other injuries. Victims blamed Michigan State, USA Gymnastics and the U.S. Olympic Committee for not doing more to stop him earlier. http://www.koat.com/article/teacher-call...m-rant/15920732
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heads need to roll.
teens and pre-teens abused for years?
these people need to be locked UNDER the jail.
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heads need to roll.
teens and pre-teens abused for years?
these people need to be locked UNDER the jail. Definitely agree
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Just another day at a fine liberal institution. smh. Do you mean a liberal arts university? Because liberal arts means academic subjects such as literature, philosophy, mathematics, and social and physical sciences as distinct from professional and technical subjects, according to dictionary.com If you mean liberal university, as opposed to a conservative university, then consider Liberty University whose athletic director has been subpoenaed in association with the crap that went on at Baylor during his time there. I believe there is a political section to this forum that would probably be more likely to benefit from your time and effort than weighing on politically about MSU
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Abbott ordered the Texas Rangers, the state's top criminal investigations unit, to look into the Karolyi Ranch. .... The Walker County Sheriff's Office is already investigating. So is that the Walker, Texas Rangers? There is just so much blame to go around here.... but this is what happens when winning (and the money that comes with it) are steering the ship..
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Father tries to attack Nassar in court First thought that came across my mind reading this was "good for that father!
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If he doesn't get the death penalty then there is no real justice. If molesting over 200 little girls isn't enough to deserve it then wtf does? It's ok because there is a special place waiting for that [censored] but I would love a few weeks alone with him first.
My daughters took gymnastics for many many years. I can't even imagine what those parents are going through but I might have to bribe some guards to look the other way I know that much.
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I can't even imagine what those parents are going through but I might have to bribe some guards to look the other way I know that much. As a person of character, if I was one of the guards I assure you that I would not look the other way for anything less than a Diet Coke and somebody yelling "Squirrel!!!".
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I can't even imagine what those parents are going through but I might have to bribe some guards to look the other way I know that much. As a person of character, if I was one of the guards I assure you that I would not look the other way for anything less than a Diet Coke and somebody yelling "Squirrel!!!". No doubt. He got the death penalty, it's just not going to be as pleasant as the lethal injection. Which is actually a good thing in my book.
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ESPN OTL just said Izzo and Dantonio should step down ... 1st step for a cleansing ...
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I can't even imagine what those parents are going through but I might have to bribe some guards to look the other way I know that much. As a person of character, if I was one of the guards I assure you that I would not look the other way for anything less than a Diet Coke and somebody yelling "Squirrel!!!". Aint even my kids but i'd pay you that bribe in a second to get rid of that low life.
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ESPN OTL just said Izzo and Dantonio should step down ... 1st step for a cleansing ... I don't know much about Dantonio but I always like Izzo, he always SEEMED to be such a class guy (but then I guess so was Paterno). I hate to think he was involved in covering this stuff up. But if he was, he should pay a hefty price.
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