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Ok wiseguy....name one conserative that said he\she is happy or looking forward to destroying families.So now its fake news when you don't agree the others opinions .lol
HATRED...Ha, that's a real joke maybe you haven't read the most hate filled rants fron your pals on the left here.....

There are some folks on this here board that seem pretty darn giddy over it.


I have pals on both sides... and I've read hate filled rants from both sides.. in fact it was just a month or so ago that Swish went off on me for always calling out the left and being soft on the right.. if neither extreme likes me then I'm pretty comfortable I'm in the right place.

No one mentions about the American families being destroyed. Every illegal or DACA that gets a federal dollar is taking from an AMERICAN family that needs. . . . .

So your saying that it's better for the US to have been oppressed and treated as non citizens in preference to a Ruler who viewed us as cattle for the slaughter to fatten his royal purse?

I'm positive I would have been involved with the rebels because I hate government that is harmful to the people they are sworn to protect. I am not so sure most Americans today would give up their comfort and laziness to fight for their country. They might talk and debate but to actually get off their bums and do something? I'm not so sure.

It's hard to imagine a Martin Luther King Jr. being born from today's society. It's hard to imagine anyone being that motivated anymore. I mean it's easy to find people spewing hate and calling for violence because that is easy. But a man calling for action through peace and love is not so easy to find.

Keep in mind I am talking about things in general and not targeting anyone or any organization specifically OR any specific race of people.

Is it hatred to ask for laws to be enforced and have everyone treated fairly and equally? It's not hatefulness IMHO but a demand for fairness and equality. I don't want preference for illegals who violated our law over people who are applying legally and meeting our requirements. It's just not fair.

You seem to feel yourself that option 1 is a non-starter, as it makes little sense. So while it is an option to do so, it's like saying shooting your own hand off with a shotgun is an option.

The second option seems to be what I said, just replacing citizenship with green card. I am actually OK with this approach, because it grants protections to those people, while also not letting them vote until they became full blown citizens. At the least it would reduce the fears of "naturalized voters for democrats" that the GOP tends to have, while still letting them stay.



I think Jus soli like we have it is antiquated, and could be better served by restricting citizenship automation to Jus sanguinis. If you have a US parent, you are a US citizen. Perhaps I am not educated enough on it, but I have a hard time seeing gaps of being born of an american that needs to be filled by being born in America.



I didn't mean those young illegals who don't comply with DACA, I meant someone who does Comply with DACA and had a child of their own. Under Jus soli, that child is a US citizen even though their parent is not.



There are already migration restrictions though. US Citizens can bring in without restriction their spouse, children under 21, and their parents. Anyone else requires caps to be met for sponsorship to take place. Green Card Holders have caps for everyone including spouses and children. Your suggestion to severely limit it is not in my mind a severe restriction at all actually for US Citizens, as it would restrict parents and children 18-21.

As for withholding funds from sanctuary cities, that could be done but I am aware of at least a few precedents making that sort of decision illegal. It could be written into law but the courts would end up arguing it, so it's a risky piece to add to negotiations.

The problem is we have full citizenship on one side, and deport them on the other side.

There needs to be a full residency non citizenship, can't vote for 6+, 7+, or 8+ decades of you and your parents being, and staying, in the USA.

And that wouldn't be so necessary if it weren't that there's whole sections of the world that want to downfall the USA and war against Americans, just because.

that will never happen because the left only wants votes.

There is no easy solution because anything other than deportation means you are rewarding people for ignoring our laws.

I am not heartless. I fully understand the hell some of these families ran away from. Then again if they won't fight to save their own country why should I want them in mine?

Think of this for a minute. If we send back 1 million Daca recipients back to the own countries do you think they will just disappear there? Do they become mindless slaves? I don't think so.

That's a 1 million man army for change that is better educated than 80% of the population they came from. They have been imbued with the American Spirit and at some point will rebel and fight back against the tyranny of their homeland. I doubt their own countries would even let them come back because of that effect.

People who abandon their people and not a people I respect much. But then I am born and bred American who even if I had to hobble up a hill would still die for my country if it was needed. It's how I was raised so I can't feel any other way. This is why culture IS important. 100 years from now will we still be a nation that fights tyranny or will we become isolationist that hide and run from it. I can't help but worry about the future of my grandchildren.

This is a logical fallacy. You're blaming the victim.

This is much like someone saying "hey why don't Native Americans just stay on reservations. Why should we give them their land back? They'll organize and fight for their rights!"

Tell me how that's worked out...



You understand they come form all over, right?



American Spirit alone won't save you from corruption that will legitimately hurt you or your family for marching out of lock step with the government or local entities where they come from.



So support those who wish to come here, and truly can't find the means due to our current barriers to get into America. Why do you want to abandon those who truly do many things that most Americans won't? Of course I'm talking about the law abiding undocumented individuals who help support the backbone of this country.



We hide and run from it without opening up paths for those who could help our country, and could escape an impossible situation to escape from.



I worry about a future where individuals purport silly theories that disregard facts, people who embrace logical fallacies to prove their ideals, and fear of individuals forgetting what the Treaty of Tripoli says.

Yes, I get it rocket. Just let all the poor of the world flood their way to America. They don't need to obey or respect our laws. It's ok for them to drain 120 billion in resources a year from our actual citizens who pay taxes. I mean god forbid we pay a man a fair wage to do undesirable work. It's much better to import slaves to poverty instead who will do anything for pennies on the dollar because hell here is better than hell back home.

A nation without laws and borders is no nation at all. Then again corporations would be happy to have one nation under money. Their money. So let's lower wages until people are under crushing debt and can't fight back because once they miss that paycheck they are done. They can't catch up and it's a fast downward spiral.

Just wait, soon they will be able to imprison you for having a debt in order to force you to pay it off at incarceration labor wages which aint much lower then what illegals working under the table make.

Don't believe me? They purposely underfund public schools so most kids get a bad education while elite go to high quality school. So we go into debt to send our kids to private schools. We go to college and gain huge debt to go to college. Debts that can NEVER be erased by bankruptcy mind you. Then we are told we are failures unless we get a big house so we take on mortgages we can't afford for even more debt. Then we are shamed into having fancy cars we can't afford because only losers have older cars so here is even more debt.

Your under so much debt and to get a reprieve you get a credit card, then another to switch balances to gain another reprieve, then another, then another. We love to brag how many credit cards we have don't we?

Just soul cruching debt. Both parents HAVE to work. There is no choice. Your failures if you don't. Except if your both working all the time to pay off all that debt who is watching your kids? Themselves? The schools? Certainly not you because you have to work overtime to catch up on your debts. It doesn't matter that your wages never increase because they can always find cheap labor to replace you in you whine too much.

So it's no surprise that the next generation is even more in debt and working jobs that pay less than they used to so its even harder to dig your way out. This is why 120 million of our 320 million Americans are on some form of welfare. Some are working and some aren't. Either way they can't earn enough to get by on even working 50 hours a week.

So yeah, let's encourage illegal immigrants flooding the markets with underpriced labor like the corporations want. It's just what America needs right? I mean they broke our laws but lets reward them for their criminal behavior. It sends the perfect message to the rest of the world to just do whatever it takes to sneak into the US by any means and if you can lie and hide for a long enough we will just let you stay. Just a perfect message indeed.

Who is putting a gun to peoples head's and making them buy big houses and fancy cars?

I can agree that college education is expensive and that some smart reforms can do alot there (and not just shifting the burden 100% to taxpayers either) but I do think children and parent's do a poor job of looking at their options available for college. I didn't go to a fancy school, only took 2 years of education, and my student loan debt has been nearly non-existent. I am also fortunate to make a good deal of income compared to many of my peers. I'm not a wealthy man but I'm working on it.

I know several people including those I hired who have insane student loan debts (75k-100k-150k or more!) and then some of those same people talk about buying/leasing 60k or 70k cars. And since I hired them , I know exactly how much they make. And ... it's insane. I still feel like a juvenile idiot buying a new 30k car when I made what they made 12 years ago, and I didn't have the same student debt load. But it is not my place to tell them this. It is also not the fault of illegal immigration that they are making these financial decisions.

So? It takes 3 million+ more Dem votes then GOP votes to win the WH.

Electoral college votes matter, not the total votes on winning the presidency. I suppose the Dems missed history class that day.

Sorry, dems only want votes and nannys they can pay 2 dollar an hour to watch their elitist kids.....there fixed it.

Says the guy who voted for a guy that had nannies raise his elitist kids.

If the Democrats won't work with Trump on immigration, Trump should apologize to the DACA folks saying he is sorry but the US government can't agree to help you so you best start packing.

He already said that mo's ago

Link?

Where you in the booth with me? Are you 100% sure that's how I voted?

I'm saying that everybody has their limits and most of us have a point at which we would view being a LAWBREAKER as an option if that's what it took to protect and provide for ourselves, our families, or our country.


Most would if the country was really threatened.. I think the point here is, most would fight for it... but if it got out of control, who would be willing to fight against it?


I often wonder about this too, from a couple perspectives.. if MLK was alive today, would he receive the same support even though he was a preacher and his message was always from a Biblical perspective? There are MANY who would love his message but the hair on their neck would stand up when he started mentioning Jesus... and the right would do nothing but compare him to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton...

But there are those out there calling for action through peace and love, there are a LOT of them.. remember the million man march? but they don't make headlines on a daily basis because Fox, CNN, MSNBC don't find them all that interesting (re: controversial)...

The left would call him a bible thumper and bigot for being against gay marriage.

I have been accused of being FAR right, or even ALT right. Yet I have never been a Bible Thumper. I am all for Gay Marriage as my Brothers husband can attest to.

Just like the sadly departed Richard Jeni said, "if your far left or far right, you've gone to far".

I wasn't particularly referring to you - I was being general. I apologize if you took it that way.

The only thing you aren't accused of very much is actually being right.

I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.