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Franchise tag or not I make an offer that kills them to match. To me he is worth the cost of picks to have him. Wont happen but I would do it in a heartbeat.

Barring that I want Cousins. No one is this draft is a proven player and you NEVER know if that NFL adjustment will occur. Don't get me wrong you guys all know I like about 5 of the QBs this year which is unheard of for me. Still Cousins is a proven talent and I will take that any day.

Then I take Mason at the bottom of the 1st and let him sit for 4 years so that when Kirk's contract year is up we have a ready made solution if he is hurt or won't resign or we just need the cap space.

To Kirk I just say, "Name your price. Let's get this done and start winning." I don't squabble. Just give him what he wants because that is what it will take to bring him here. No nickel and diming. You make him the highest paid QB with the most guaranteed money ever given. DONE DEAL. I draft bark at one and the best WR at 4 and give the man the weapons to score like crazy.

Smith was my #1 choice but maybe not at the contract he ended up getting.

Cousins is now my #1 choice. Followed by Bradford then keenum.

If we get Cousins I *might* forgo a QB in round 1 and look at cousins as your bonafide starter for the future. Kizer can back him up.

If we end up with Bradford or someone that I'd consider a bridge QB. . . Darnold is probably my #1. Though I'd entertain a good trade down to 5 or 6 and then take Mayfield.

But first choice. Cousins. I think he'd immediately be the best and most cerebral QB we've had since 99

Cousins was my top choice, mainly because I'm not a fan of any QB in this draft at #1 or #4 overall.

Smith was second choice because I think we could have taken Barkely and Fitzpatrick in round 1 with him and a QB with one of our 2nd rounders.

At this point, assuming both are gone - I think I'd go the Bridgewater route with an incentive laden contract, assuming he passes physical. He was playing better than I thought before the injury and he now has a massive chip on his shoulder - that could be sepectacular. Tyrod Taylor would be another consideration if he ends up being available.

I kinda hope that the Giants lose their mind over a player, and want to trade up to our top pick, giving us an enormous haul to trade down to #2. (especially if we could sign Cousins)

I wanted Smith to get traded to us and to pick a QB. I'd say the Smith ship has sailed, but with what was given up for him and the contract he's about to sign, I don't think the ship was ever in port. Oh well.

I wouldn't be disappointed with Cousins, but I assume that by signing him, we would be passing on a QB at #1. It worries me to pass on that type of talent in the draft when we have the ammo to get it. Also, statistically speaking, Washington is replacing their QB with a slightly older clone of him. Washington is dumb, but it still doesn't paint Cousins in the best light.

At the end of the day, we have a pretty good team of evaluators that will make this decision. As long as it's not something out of left field, then I'm ok with whatever they decide.

No matter what, we need a vet and we need a guy for the future. If we sign Cousins, then we continue to develop Kizer, and we hope that one of the more raw QBs in this draft drops. If we get Cousins, we MUST surround him with blue-chip talent, which means we need a good QB to drop for us to get later.

If Cousins is off the table for whatever reason, then it gets a little trickier. I don't like Bradford because of injuries. I could get on board with Bridgewater. He is younger, so he doesn't quite fit the bridge QB mold, but he would do fine. Keenum is fools gold, I think. I could definitely get on board with McCown. I know he has had injury issues as well, but he really impressed me with how he handled his time here. I have nothing but respect for the guy, and I think he'd have an easier time with our rebuilt o-line (iirc, Erving was blocking for him)? My draft pick if we're getting a QB @1 would be Rosen, if the FO isn't too worried about his durability. I originally had worries about his attitude, but now I think that was unfair, and he's supposedly working hard in the offseason. Rosen's game just checks too many boxes to pass over.

Most of you have stayed on topic. Thanks.

I have to say that I pretty much agree with you. Rosen is certainly the type of QB who could most likely start right away. But as you mentioned he would have to earn the starting position from a veteran bridge QB we sign.

You don't draft a QB #1 if you're not going all in on him. Where I mainly disagree with many posters is "one size fits all" on rookie QB's. Let's take Kizer for example. He is certainly a QB who was not ready to start. He needed a bridge QB to sit behind and learn. The problem is that we didn't have one and he was the best QB on the roster sadly.

But not every QB is Kizer. Circumstances are different according to the QB drafted. We have continued to draft lesser talented QB's and thrown them into the fire. Not a recipe for success. This isn't the case with Josh Rosen.

As with you, he'll have to earn the starter position over a journeyman bridge QB. You don't just hand him the job. But what I think you don't do is split your loyalties. If you're going to draft Rosen you make it obvious that he's the future. You go all in. You don't create a situation where you sign a Kirk Cousins or Drew Brees. The last thing you need is yet another divided locker room and QB controversy.

I think a lot of people are missing the obvious. All I'm describing here is what NFL teams do across the league. They either commit to the QB they sign or they commit to their top 5 pick at QB. They don't do both.

If you're going to draft Rosen, you certainly don't need to sign a FA QB to hold the reigns for long if at all.

If I get to choose, then give me Aaron Rogers, lol.

Who I think will be our starter? AJ McCarron. Don’t see Cousins coming here(along with a lot of free agents, which is to bad, our record has its price)

If we have to start another rookie QB again this team will struggle yet another year. Especially if we are not able to bring in a veteran QB for some sort of guidance. Be better to have someone who has had game experience, the more the better.

IMO the best bridge QB would probably be Bradford right now, but he needs to be healthy for 16 games. It actually, IMO, looks kinda bleak for this coming year, but we’ll see.

Darnold coming up on NFL Live NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well what was said

Last Browns QB to win two.

Get him back.

I go with a pair of Sam's, Bradford and Darnold if I believe that wind-up can be fixed after working him out. No matter which way we go,gotta get these guys weapons. Sad when your first round pick has more broken hands than memorable plays and the only one I remember was a drop that cost us a game.

Go for Bradford and Mayfield. Then you'd have two Heisman Trophy winning Sooners in the QB room.

Not worth it to me. I thought he would be outta the USA by now in Canadia.

Nevermore. Bad mojo.

Inaccurately. He'll perform inaccurately regardless who is the OC. Just my opinion but I don't see him fixing his accuracy in the offseason.

I should think analytics would favor bringing in a guy like Cousins... pretty good production, especially for a guy who may not have had as much around him as one would like. If you have a guy like him continue that quality work, and surround him with home run hitters, Duke, Gordon, Njoku and some reliable talent to fill in the gaps, he may still be on an upswing.

Short of signing Cousins, I'm not sure what the best situation would be. Do we try to get a guy like Bradford, or Bridgewater for example? If so, how much behind them do we get? Would they be The Guy? Are they a bridge (and if so, do they embrace that)? Are they a kick the tires kind of player to be replaced by the 1st Rd pick in waiting in the wings as soon as it's not looking good?

I just don't like being in that gray area with a QB.

I think if we don't land Cousins, we try to get McCown back, keep Kizer, and Draft a top QB this year. Heading in to 2018 McCown is The Guy right off the bat. I think he still gives an opportunity for a respectable season, and should he get hurt or it's just not clicking for him on the field, you still know what kind of guy have on the sideline and what he will continue to bring in mentoring the younger guys. There is no "bridge QB" gray area with him.

Anyway, it's a QB room I would be ok to roll with if we can't put one together that we are solidly behind for the next few years.

Kizer.

Perfectly happy with him starting. And whoever we draft can sit.

Kizer may or may not stink it up next season, and its all good with me, as long as we dont throw #1 draft qb to the wolves.

Tired of qb controversies. Tired of ruining qbs.

If we go a drafted player, I like Darnold. I like Rosen except for his head issues.


I don't want to see my QB sitting on the bench with his eyes rolled back and tongue hanging out 2 times a season.

I want Cousins. Proven vet with very little downside. And then top play makers at #1 and #4.

If that don't happen, I want Rosen at #1 and Fitz at #4

I agree with this 100%.

Cousins has averaged over 4,000 passing yards and 30 total touchdowns for three consecutive years with a bunch of nothing-special around him.

We can talk a big game about prospects all we like, but as talented as this class is, they're also not shy on blemishes.

If we don't get a free agent, my QB1 is currently Rosen, but I won't ignore that he's got a lot of questions. For all we read about this draft potentially having multiple franchise quarterbacks, there is also potentially none.

What Cousins gives the team, at worst, is solid-to-high-end quarterback play. What Cousins gives the organization is stability and something to build around. I had the idea of willingly rejecting that in the hope we find a 40 TD elite quarterback that Cousins likely won't ever be.

I'm tired of gambling. Bring in the guy who we know can play at a high level.

Allen with mcCarron as a bridge

Kizer

My reasons are its unfair to give up on a 21 year old kid after one year. Most Qb coming out of the draft are around 23 years old. the Browns are NOT a QB away from being a good team. I believe we need to see what Kizer can do in year two now that he has a real coordinator(Haley) who is VERY GOOD with QB. Haley ressurected Warner's Career in Arizona, He made Big Ben the big time thrower he is, Haley also got 10 wins out of Matt Cassel in KC back in 2010 making the playoffs.

Kizer has too much potential to give up on him, and face it, after last year that was the worst year he could possibly have...he took major lumps last year, we have to give him a chance to bear fruit.

I know we will look for other Qb options in the draft and FA, but its my hope that Kizer comes into camp and plays lights out and beats everyone out for the starting job(I think he will) the kid is smart and VERY driven.

our problems haven't been in finding a QB, our problems have been self created by never giving anyone a chance since Couch. We rand Anderson out of town after a Pro Bowl 29 Td season because he wasn't good enough, what he did elsewhere in the NFL doesn't matter, Anderson was tailor made for Chud offense...Anderson only struggled in 2008 because of injuries to Jamal Lewis, Braylon Edwards, and Kellen Winslow...all his playmakers were hurt that year, and he later ended up hurt too.

Kizer is like fine wine, and investment that if we keep him on the roster, a year or two down the road is going to payoff for the Browns BIG TIME...mark my words.

Nice post.



I just can't buy in to the Kizer option. Flattop doesn't have it IMO.

Kizer is like a fine wine, that started out bitter. No amount of aging is going fix that.

Not really. But his issues with reading the field and mechanical problems can be fixed in time. His issue with accuracy, as I see it, cannot be fixed. At least to the degree of him becoming an above average QB.

His accuracy issues are the same ones he displayed in college. He has just not been consistently accurate. Oh he'll make a throw here or there that teases one into thinking this guy can get it. But he don't get it. He doesn't have the feel or anticipation. Balls go into the dirt or over the heads of WRs or way in front or behind them.

I'd keep him on the team to fix the things that can be fixed but I'd really hate to roll with him for another season. Even half-a-season.

j/c:

Thanks for all the responses and how most of you have stayed on topic. The thread has quite a few replies and perhaps some haven't read the intent of the thread, but I would appreciate it if you guys talk about who you want to start the first game next season.

I don't want us to bash other qbs. I don't want bickering. I just want you to tell us who you want to start next season and why.

And by that, I mean..............what does your guy bring to the table. I don't wanna hear how Baker is too short, Kizer is too inaccurate, Rosen has mental issues, Cousins will cost to much, etc. I got all of that. It's already been said hundreds of times.

Just tell me what your dude brings to the table and why you want him to be our starter next season.

One more thing.......I assumed all would keep it reasonable. But, I think I should say that asking for Rodgers or Brady is a bit unreasonable. They aren't going to be available. I'm okay w/guys like Keenum, Bradford, etc because while we don't know if they will be available, it is at least a reasonable assumption that we might have a chance at them.

I apologize for all the criteria, but there is a method to my madness.

I agree with you about Kiser. He's big, tough, smart, strong arm, durable, mobile and seems like a good kid. With everything he went through his rookie year he never complained or pointed fingers. I believe he will get better with hard work and more experience. I think sitting behind a good veteran QB would help Kiser. I know there are a lot of quarterback coaches on this board who will not agree that Kiser will ever be more than a backup and at 21 he can't overcome his accuracy issues but I believe with hard work he could pay off big down the road.

Remember that Kizer was a mid-second round pick. He wasn't a huge investment at the time. Many second round picks would love to have had the chance Kizer had. Many sit on the bench for a long time.



No one is giving up on Kizer. But we have the number 1 pick in the draft, and we have the opportunity to draft any QB we want. Plenty of quarterbacks go through this, Kizer will too.

Kizer will probably be on the team, but he shouldn't be the starter next year (and that doesn't mean we are just giving up on him)

Sign a vet QB, draft Rosen or Darnold, keep DK and let the 3 compete for the job although I am in favor of letting whomever we pick #1 sit and learn. Cut Hogan and Kessler. I like DK a lot and still hope he can be a good QB for us. I think he deserves another chance with a better supporting cast.

j/c

in regards to Kizer, I'm just not sure that one of his biggest flaws (accuracy) will ever be improved.

He's wildly inaccurate and an awful decision maker ... not a good combo

Case Keenum

Browns starting QB? Oh yeah, the recurring nightmare I've had for year after year, that one.

I thought I was on topic but apparently I was not as instead of saying who I want, I stated who I didn't want. I realize that it part of anyone's decision making process but I also now realize that that conversation should be had in one's mind, not as an answer to a post which is asking for a choice of a desired QB.

That said, originally I was confident that I wanted Smith/Darnold with Smith on a 3 year deal. Darnold over Rosen because Smith could be a quality starter for at least two years which would give Darnold a comfortable amount of time to prepare. Smith could even start for three years with no adverse effect on Darnold.

Since Smith is now out of the equation I am in a quandary. Cousins would be a huge contract for now and into the future. I think the Browns could do better with a potential F-QB rookie, let him grow into the role behind the vet while saving salary cap for FAs and contract extensions in the future.

Of course Cousins would enable us to forgo a QB in this draft and instead use our first two picks on impact players. But that would only be for this draft. Cousins would have no effect on future drafts in that regard.

If we sign a different vet and draft a #1 overall QB then for the next several drafts the Browns can forgo a QB. Of course, we shouldn't have two first round picks next draft or even in the near future. But still, we should have our F-QB.

So now to the crux of my post. I'm fully aware of the available vet QBs after Smith/Cousins but don't know enough about any of them to make a solid decision. I can't even present a pros/cons comparison on them. That's my trouble.

Depending on who we sign and how long they can be an effective starter would impact who we draft. If we're forced to sign an inexperienced/washed up vet then I'd be looking to start the rookie sometime in 2018 because I can't see that kind of vet holding that spot for long. If we sign that kind of vet then I take Rosen due to his ability to start sooner. If we sign a vet QB who can win games for 2018 and beyond then I draft Darnold. He needs more work but I see him as a better fit to the team.

So, to answer your question, I can't answer your question. lol While being sure of Smith/Cousins due to their previous successes the other options are less clear to me with the possible exception of Foles. I would want Foles out of what's left but I doubt Philly would give him up for anything although the possibility has been discussed. He's proven that if their starter goes down the team doesn't miss a lick.

But if Foles could be made available I'd take Foles/Darnold.

The rest of the guys are a mystery to me.

Torn on this question Vers.

I like the thoughts of Cousins. Would be great if we somehow wrangled Jimmy G. But being realistic that we will draft and play a rookie, I want Mayfield/Rudolph with #4 or wait until the second round and take the best QB then. Would like us to take Barkley at #1, Fitzpatrick at #4

I want Rosen to start. And that means he beat out any Vet QB we got as the supposed starter. Like Seattle a few years ago.. THATS my dream scenerio for game one.

John Dorsey could turn to Chase Daniel to solve his QB problem


Cleveland could be looking for their own Case Keenum in 2018.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...oblem-114506366

The Cleveland Browns would like to add a veteran quarterback this off-season rather than placing the franchise on the shoulder's of a rookie yet again.

The team was unable to complete a trade for quarterback Alex Smith. Where might General Manager John Dorsey turn next? One player that makes sense is New Orleans Saints quarterback Chase Daniel.

Daniel is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent this off-season. CBS Sports' Joel Corry was quick to associate the two parties.

"A name to keep an eye on if you're going to draft a quarterback and you need a stop gap guy - Chase Daniel. Also has a relationship with John Dorsey. Would come in and be the starter for you potentially," Corry said with Ken Carman and Anthony Lima.

Daniel signed with the Philadelphia Eagles in March of 2016. He was released the following off-season after Carson Wentz had cemented himself as the starter. The Saints were willing to add him on a one-year deal. Prior to signing in Philadelphia, Dorsey had expressed his desire to retain Daniel.

“We've had Chase here for three years. I think Chase is a very competitive player. I think we were very lucky to have him as our number two quarterback. Just a couple hours ago, I've had discussions with his agent. Going to see where they were in the process," Dorsey said in February of 2016.

“At the right price, I'll try to retain him but the right price. But I understand the business of the game of football. And he's going to want to be able to see if he can start. I do believe he's capable of doing that. So that process will be ongoing. It will take a couple weeks here before we sit down with his agent some more."

Daniel, an undrafted free agent out of Missouri, has had to compete his entire career. In eight seasons, the 31 year old has completed 51-of-78 passes for 480 yards, a touchdown and an interception.

"I happen to love Chase Daniel. I love his competitive zeal, how smart he is, how knowledgeable he is about the game. I'm also a realist to know that at the certain point if he's getting starter's money I'm not going to be able to retain him," Dorsey finished.

Cleveland's General Manager is likely looking for someone to serve as a mentor for the eventual No. 1 overall selection.

I like that choice as well. After Cousins, he is my guy. He is another guy who could be considered a long term option. I am not real big on any of the rook QB's, and am to the point I don't want to wait all that long for results.


Father Time keeps marching on. He has been marching along. He has been marching on me for longer than most of you. I am not sure if I will see the end of a good rookies career.


It's at that point I have to be realistic. I don't know that I will live another 15 years. I might, but I would be beating the odds. I feel pretty good now, but who knows what 5 or 10 years is going to bring? Heck, 1-2 years.


I am at the age where people start kicking the bucket over "normal" things....something gets all of us. It's not like a accident when a person kicks in their 30's by falling off a roof or a boating or car accident.

I want to win the Super Bowl next year.

j/c:

Thanks again to those of you who are trying to follow the spirit of the thread. I appreciate it.