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Never did I say that smiling more was body shaming. However, it is equally misogynistic . When was the last time you heard a man tell another man to smile more?

I have heard people complain about trumps demeanor and face constantly on this board. It was also a female saying that about her.....

It was a great speech.. a beautiful, great, amazing speech.

Its not misogynistic. It's ok that there are differences between the sexes. When do women ever get told they need to have a six pack. Or whatever lameo stereotypical thing men get told.

I thought the dad bod was in?

Polls Give Trump High Marks on Speech

(AP)
By Jeffrey Rodack |

Wednesday, 31 Jan 2018


Two snap polls show that President Donald Trump graded out favorably with Americans who watched his first State of the Union address.

Seventy-five percent of Americans who watched Trump's SOTU approved of the speech, while 25 percent disapproved, according to a CBS News poll.

Further, a CNN poll found that 70 percent of those who watched the SOTU had a "very positive" or "somewhat positive" attitude about the president's speech.
Here are the highlights from the CBS survey:

65 percent said the speech made them feel proud; 35 percent said it made them feel safer; 21 percent said it left them angry and 14 percent said they were scared by the presidential address.

42 percent of those who watched the speech said they were Republicans, 25 percent were Democrats and 33 percent were independents.

81 percent said Trump was trying to unite the nation in his speech, compared to 19 percent who said he was trying to divide the U.S.

72 percent said they favor the proposals on immigration Trump outlined in his speech, while 28 percent opposed them.

91 percent favored what the president outlined on infrastructure, compared to 9 percent who opposed it.
75 percent supported his ideas on national security, while 25 percent opposed them.

The results from CNN's poll:


48 percent had a very positive reaction to the speech.
22 percent had a somewhat positive reaction.
28 percent had a negative view of the speech.
Further, CNN found that 62 percent of those surveyed think Trump's policies will move the country in the right direction.

Those results, according to CNN:
56 percent said Trump's policies are headed in the right direction on immigration.

Roughly 80 percent said Trump's policies are headed in the right direction on infrastructure.
70 percent said his policies are headed in the right direction on the economy.

The CBS poll surveyed 1,178 U.S. residents who watched the president's speech on Tuesday night. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percent.


https://www.newsmax.com/politics/poll-tr...br=010502tmcfz6

Great post Fish!

This Guys catchin' on.

Fish, thanks for trying to get the thread back to the SOTU.. from what I had read so far, those who expected to love it, did.. and those who expected to hate it, did.. ironic. But nobody seemed to want to talk about the actual speech much.

Every SOTU is about grandstanding... every good thing that has happened so far, take credit for it.. and everything that hasn't been as good, blame it on the previous administration or opposition in congress.. Then lay out some pie in the sky plans for your side while stealing some thunder from the other side... Obama did that 8 times.. as did Bush.. as does everybody.

From my perspective it seemed pretty effective in accomplishing what I assume Trump's goals were..

He had the red meat for his base..
Talked about respecting the flag (I thought he made his point with his first one liner and should have quit but he kept going)
Talked about keeping Gitmo open and keeping ISIS on the run
Talked about tax cuts
Talked about building the wall
Obviously talked a lot about job creation and renegotiating trade deals

He had something for the other side:
Talked about historically low unemployment for blacks (cracked me up with the black congressmen sat there stone faced for that)
Talked about reforming welfare. Thought it was interesting when he used the phrase "welfare to work".. this was a phrase coined by Clinton in the 90s (or at least that was the first time I had heard it)..
Talked about reforming prisons and inmate release so those who did their time have a chance to actually build a life rather than revert back to crime
Talked about path to citizenship for immigrants.. as long as securing the border is part of it.
Talked about negotiating better drug prices for the US
Talked about improving trade schools

Like it or not, democrats have clamored for a lot of that stuff for a long time.. then when Trump says it, they sit stone faced.. it was pretty funny.

I'm not a big fan of parading people out to use as props to make your points because you hand select just the right people with the right story (much like the Kimmel thread).. but every President has done it for a while (I think it started with Clinton but that could be wrong)... but since he kept doing it, I thought his choice of people was very good.. represented a broad range of topics and was pretty diverse..

Overall, if I had just returned from 3 years in isolation in the arctic and saw this speech, as an American, I would have been more pleased than displeased.. but then the realization sets in that he still has to suck it up and work with people who don't agree with him to get all of this stuff done.

That's because what he says one day he walks back or totally flip flops on the next day. He's hollow, weak, and insincere.

Or maybe he will try to do the things he said.. but in doing so will ask the democrats for some concessions on the stuff HE wants to do.. and if history is an indicator, they will dig in their heels and refuse to budge and then complain about how they are being bullied..

The Dems will cave to the Twitter God.

the problem is that he says one thing and does a complete other.

remember when he was suppose to not benefit from the tax cuts?

yea...

I believe he's given up his salary. At least, for the first 2 quarters.

I will benefit from the tax cuts. You probably will, as will millions of other people. Rich and poor. Dems as well as R's.

again, that isn't what he told the people, was it?

thats the entire point, Arch.

Well, I suppose he could've put a rider in the bill that "this will apply to everyone but me." "And Soros, and the Koch's and every congress person, and every business that makes a profit."

That might have flown, if not for congress being ruled out of the tax break.

Republicans once said, in the first year ALL (now changed to most) Americans will see at least a marginal decline in their taxes. Many middle class Americans will be paying 5-10% more in the first year, and all Americans will see increases in their taxes when those temporary tax cuts go away. Middle class Americans paying 25% tax rate while the big corp's paying 21% for life. Works for Trump and the 1% right? Murica.

again, not what i'm talking about.

Trump has floated or said ideas before that Dems/liberals have expressed wanting to accomplish, only to turn around and do something completely different.

remember when he said he was gonna have healthcare for everybody, and it be cheaper?

only to turn around and support bills that did none of that.

The Republicans in the House screwed Trump on healthcare. They may pay for that come November.

Did they? Cause trump showed zero leadership on that front and said he would sign whatever came across his desk.

The year negotiator doesn’t seem to want to take the lead on much if anything.

That’s odd but hey, if you like your leaders leading from the rear than I guess he’s doing a fabulous job.

Trump leads from the front. Swish you are so bias it is affecting your brain.

He leads from the front?

He didn’t lead from the front on ANY of the ACA repeal bills.

He’s pushing whatever he can on congress while talking trash on Twitter.

He gets into an argument with his own Secretary of State over an iq test while Rex is trying to avoid nuclear war.

He STILL hasn’t implemented the sanctions on Russia, nor has he tried to address methods to prevent Russia from meddling again.

He’s lead from the front on Twitter drama, sure.

I’m not biased. I just know what good leadership is. And trump ain’t cutting it.

I understand your point but c'mon.. congress passed ACA with the dems touting it as this great first step in fixing healthcare, then promptly exempted themselves from it, exempted the unions who got them elected from it, etc, etc...

It's a bad look but it's pretty much par for the course for these guys. I wish they would just be honest and say "I'm going to benefit from this but so are you." or "This is going to suck but it's going to suck for all of us." but alas, I won't hold my breath and wait for that to happen. Instead they say it's going to be good for us and neutral for them.. ends up being good for them and not so good for us... we shall see.

Thats a pretty big ASSumption ... ...

Was on a bancation for the big night.

I actually liked some of the things Trump said.
To bad he is such a liar.

I see no redeeming qualities in this President and this speech was just a political shambles due to Trump's previous actions proving that he fails at leading, being honest, or REALLY trying to work with dems.