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To be fair on the Browns, not that they deserve it, but it really wasn't a good fit. Why would they want to give Smith a 4 year deal, when he was just coming here to be a bridge gap for the QB they are drafting this year? they need 1 possibly two years out of whatever vet we get.
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And that brings me back to something I said in another thread.
You have to make some kind of commitment when it comes to your QB. Now don't get me wrong, I do understand what people are saying when they want a top tier FA like Cousins or Smith, but if you go that route, you aren't going to draft a QB at #1. It's just never worked that way in the NFL. I'm not even sure I believe the reports that we offered to trade for Smith and if we did, I certainly understand the parameters of what we offered and why it would have had to have been a short term deal.
With a two year contract, it sends a distinct message to the players and fans that Smith wouldn't be your long term future. That your #1 draft pick is your long term future.
The last thing you need within a young team is a divided locker room and a QB controversy. It is counterproductive to cohesion and continuity within your locker room.
You either commit long term to a FA QB or you commit to your #1 draft pick. Divided loyalties and controversy can kill a locker room. That's why NFL teams pick their direction at the QB position and commit to it.
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To be fair on the Browns, not that they deserve it, but it really wasn't a good fit. Why would they want to give Smith a 4 year deal, when he was just coming here to be a bridge gap for the QB they are drafting this year? they need 1 possibly two years out of whatever vet we get. The 4 years was fine, I think. It was the guaranteed money for that 4 years that killed it.
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And with Cousins, he is a long term option.
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And that brings me back to something I said in another thread.
You have to make some kind of commitment when it comes to your QB. Now don't get me wrong, I do understand what people are saying when they want a top tier FA like Cousins or Smith, but if you go that route, you aren't going to draft a QB at #1. It's just never worked that way in the NFL. I'm not even sure I believe the reports that we offered to trade for Smith and if we did, I certainly understand the parameters of what we offered and why it would have had to have been a short term deal.
With a two year contract, it sends a distinct message to the players and fans that Smith wouldn't be your long term future. That your #1 draft pick is your long term future.
The last thing you need within a young team is a divided locker room and a QB controversy. It is counterproductive to cohesion and continuity within your locker room.
You either commit long term to a FA QB or you commit to your #1 draft pick. Divided loyalties and controversy can kill a locker room. That's why NFL teams pick their direction at the QB position and commit to it. I disagree. You can sign cousins and a draft a rookie too. It worked out for GreenBay with Favre and Aaron. Worked out for Chargers with Rivers/Brees. You can always trade cousins/rookie. For a team with 0 QBs in 20 years, I don't think having 2 is a bad thing.
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To be fair on the Browns, not that they deserve it, but it really wasn't a good fit. Why would they want to give Smith a 4 year deal, when he was just coming here to be a bridge gap for the QB they are drafting this year? they need 1 possibly two years out of whatever vet we get. The 4 years was fine, I think. It was the guaranteed money for that 4 years that killed it. Nah, he is 33. 4 years puts him at 38. We are not talking about guys like Brady/Manning where even diminished they are still top of the league. Smith is an average QB, once he starts to feel father time, he will be garbage.
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It worked out for GreenBay with Favre and Aaron. Worked out for Chargers with Rivers/Brees. You can always trade cousins/rookie. For a team with 0 QBs in 20 years, I don't think having 2 is a bad thing. Before Kirk Cousins would ever sign with us, he'd want a confirmation that we will not be drafting a QB with the 1 pick. Why would Cousins be willing to put himself into a situation where he could be walking into a QB controversy? To get Kirk Cousins to come here, we'd really have to sell the team to him. Some of that will be what we can get by either A) Trading down with that 1 pick or B) Using it on Sequon Barkley. It's a buyer's market for Cousins. Other teams definitely interested would be Denver, Arizona, NYJ, Buffalo, Jacksonville. That's just off the top of my head. If Cousins comes here, we will not be using that 1 pick on a QB. Count on it
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It worked out for GreenBay with Favre and Aaron. Worked out for Chargers with Rivers/Brees. You can always trade cousins/rookie. For a team with 0 QBs in 20 years, I don't think having 2 is a bad thing.
Favre had been at Green Bay for many years when they drafted Rodgers. They didn't sign Favre and draft Rodgers at the same time. They actually groomed Rodgers to take over for Favre. San Diego didn't think Brees would ever fully recover from his injury and drafted Rivers because they planned to move on from Brees. In both of the cases you mentioned, neither is anywhere similar to our situation. You certainly have a dream scenario but it's also something that's never been done in the NFL. Why would Cousins want to sign here unless we agree not to draft a QB in the first two rounds? I've posted an interview with him twice on this board where he states he more interested in stability and being somewhere long term with good odds of success more than he cares about the highest contract offer.
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And with Cousins, he is a long term option.
I agree. There's two routes they can go here. But they can't go both. Cousins will never sign here without a guarantee we're not drafting a QB #1 or #4. He has options and doesn't have to. We either commit to Cousins or we commit to the #1 draft pick.
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It worked out for GreenBay with Favre and Aaron. Worked out for Chargers with Rivers/Brees. You can always trade cousins/rookie. For a team with 0 QBs in 20 years, I don't think having 2 is a bad thing.
Favre had been at Green Bay for many years when they drafted Rodgers. They didn't sign Favre and draft Rodgers at the same time. They actually groomed Rodgers to take over for Favre. San Diego didn't think Brees would ever fully recover from his injury and drafted Rivers because they planned to move on from Brees. In both of the cases you mentioned, neither is anywhere similar to our situation. You certainly have a dream scenario but it's also something that's never been done in the NFL. Why would Cousins want to sign here unless we agree not to draft a QB in the first two rounds? I've posted an interview with him twice on this board where he states he more interested in stability and being somewhere long term with good odds of success more than he cares about the highest contract offer. About the closest thing to it was when Washington drafted both Griffin and Cousins in the same draft, which explains in part, imo, why Cousins has been so desperate to get away from Washington. He feels the 'Skins have NEVER treated him right.
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Why would Cousins want to sign here unless we agree not to draft a QB in the first two rounds? There are 30+ million reasons.
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Yet Cousins has said time and time again he considers the opportunity to win over the top money. Cousins: I'll prioritize winning over money if I hit free agency https://www.thescore.com/news/1476655Now if Dorsey and Co. can convince Cousins they'll put the talent around him to win and convince him this is the best opportunity for him, he may very well sign here. But it won't just be for the cash itself. He'll be rich no matter where he signs. It sounds to me like he's more concerned with building a legacy as a QB. He'll have another huge contract down the road at his age. Going where he'll put himself in the best position for that future contract is part of the consideration as well.
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I agree with this take.
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I do think it's possible we can convince players we're going to win... but dollars do help, and I don't see the need to overpay for a player because we are losers. I hate the narrative that we have to overpay since we are not good. That simply isn't true.
If you commit to Cousins, I think that would mean more to him than a few extra bucks. Either way, I'm not on board with him coming here.
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I would prefer to build the QB position via the draft. I know we have different ideas on which draft pick would best address that but we do agree that the best long term solution is a draft pick. Historically it's the method used the vast majority of the time and Dorsey is pretty much a football traditionalist.
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Cousins could care less if we draft a QB in round 1. There are $30 mil plus reasons why he'll be starting on any team that signs him this year. He's not worried about any rookie.
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You make it sound like he doesn't have any say. He has all the say. He doesn't have to come here and he won't if he feels there's a better option. We're not in the drivers seat here.
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Agreed. I doubt very much he would come here. There are better options for him.
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He has a say, he's just not worried about any rookie QB. He'll have $150 mil contract and will be starting wherever he goes. He has no fears of becoming a clipboard holder again.
You make it sound like he's scared to come here because a rookie might beat him out.
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Nobody said he was scared. It just doesn't make sense. He'll have several teams that will be offering him similar money. In case you've missed it, I've posted at least four times quotes by Cousins saying he's more concerned with the best opportunity to win rather than the most money.
Now why would you want to go to a team who is drafting a rookie QB at #1 when you have other choices? Cousins will want a team willing to commit to him as their starter. He will find a team willing to do that. If we're not that team he has zero need to sign with us.
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Thinking that he's scared of a rookie makes no sense. If anything, drafting the rookie might make him want to play here more because a team with a good back-up is likely to win more games.
Any team signing him to a $150 mil contract is already committing to him as a starter. Is he worried that Denver has Paxton Lynch? I doubt it.
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j/c:
I don't know or do I wish to argue on how Cousins or the Browns feel.
I think that Cousins might not want be go to a team that drafts a qb w/the first overall pick. The fans and media will be calling for the rook to play each and every time Kirk throws a pick and/or loses a game.
I also don't think many QBs who were drafted first overall sit for several years. Cousins is fairly young. He is going to play for a long time.
Furthermore, I believe that if the Browns sign Cousins to a huge contract that they will not be choosing another qb w/the first overall pick.
Lastly, I really kinda doubt that Cousins signs w/us even if we wanted him to. I am less certain of that one than the other opinions.
And again, I don't "know" if any of my theories are correct. Just trying to think logically. They are just opinions.
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I'm just trying to wrap my head around 30 million per year for a non elite qb. How could anyone in their right mind say no to that?
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Good grief ; The only thing Cousins ( or any other player ) would get from my ownership is his Paycheck and an opportunity to start ( play ).. PEROID !
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With the price of QB's continually rising, a few years from now it may look like a good deal. But it certainly doesn't look like a great deal to me right now.
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Stop making sense. Some people don't want to hear it.
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You'd have a point....
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If we sign Cousins I wouldn't draft another QB in the 1st rnd but if someone like Rudolph or White is there in the 2nd I would be tempted to.
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I'm with you in that I accept it's impossible to get into any of these guys' heads using just the internet, but I believe that Cousins wouldn't want to come here if we draft a QB at #1. Reason being is that if we brought him in here, he should expect us to surround him with as much talent as possible. Spending such a high pick on his backup/competition is not surrounding him with as much talent as possible.
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The Browns are not getting anyone who wants to win. The Browns will get players who want to get paid (which means they will overpay). It's not a good situation to be in but that's where they are right now. They will have to build thru the draft for a few years to get the respect they deserve from future free agents looking to join a winner.
I see Cousins going to Jacksonville. That team is ready to roll with good QB play.
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It worked out for GreenBay with Favre and Aaron. Worked out for Chargers with Rivers/Brees. You can always trade cousins/rookie. For a team with 0 QBs in 20 years, I don't think having 2 is a bad thing. Before Kirk Cousins would ever sign with us, he'd want a confirmation that we will not be drafting a QB with the 1 pick. Why would Cousins be willing to put himself into a situation where he could be walking into a QB controversy? To get Kirk Cousins to come here, we'd really have to sell the team to him. Some of that will be what we can get by either A) Trading down with that 1 pick or B) Using it on Sequon Barkley. It's a buyer's market for Cousins. Other teams definitely interested would be Denver, Arizona, NYJ, Buffalo, Jacksonville. That's just off the top of my head. If Cousins comes here, we will not be using that 1 pick on a QB. Count on it I agree. I have been saying that for weeks. Cousins will not sign here if we plan to draft a QB high in the draft. If he is going to commit to us, we have to commit to him. If we sign him, a QB before round 4 or 5 is off the table. He's our guy or he isn't. He's not looking to be, nor is he a bridge QB. He is a starting NFL QB with 6-7 good years in front of him. He wants respect. If we sell that, we will sign him. If we flub it up, we are stuck with a rookie QB and a guy named Kizer who isn't good. Hue get fired 5 games in to the season and the trend continues.
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j/c...I don't think there would be any "guarantee"
in signing here or not regarding our draft picks. Those get done with the contract. There are show me contracts and there are commitment contracts.
If we wish to spend a 1st round pick on a QB it should not bother him cause we committed to him with the contract.
Now I think its obvious to me if we do commit to Cousins and only Cousins cause of his age and Franchise QB status...do we pass up on a QB at #1. Actually it would be very wise for us to Trade out of #1 and get that 3 first rounders in return that we have seen before.
Pending on likes we can invest in a QB like White or Rudolf along with developing Kizer...I like the kid even though I think his accuracy issues are too great to overcome. But he's tough and did improve. But we need another young Franchise prospect just not #1 or #4. But really only Cousins.
Even if we get a Brees who is obvious the starter but doesn't have the same age attractiveness that Cousins have, #1 is still in the mix for QB. Only FA Cousins eliminates that for us.
I won't be sorry if we sign Cousins because of that reason even though my son who I taught him a lot about QB and I respect his insight as a young adult and playing that position. He questions my enthusiasm for that possibly venture in FA.
He is a big time Cowboy fan and off of their 2 games a year against each other he says that Cousins just doesn't have that will to win I guess it could be called the "IT" factor about him. I respect his opinion so much that I start to wonder if that is the answer. But man o man eliminating the "NEED"
for QB in the draft so early would be a luxury.
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