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Read the Board my friend.

You'd know EXACTLY where I stand. And MY evaluation after actually WATCHING the games.

And NO. White isn't included. I actually watched TOP QB'S.

Sorry. You guys keep dripping on the QB'S that will be on Practice Squad all you want. Have at it.

I'll concentrate on the TOP 2. Since we have OUR WAY this draft.

I don't give 2 squats about ANY QB outside Darnold and Rosen. The 2 BEST QB in this draft.

I watched a lot of Buffalo games this year. In my opinion, his deep ball is not good and he is too quick to take off. Tyrod takes care of the ball though but he's no Alex Smith - stylistically or otherwise,

as a bridge to nowhere.

Yup ... just like RG3 was the answer and Shanny was the problem ... ...

Taylor is a GREAT GUY ... i root like hell for him ... hes just NOT GOOD ...

He would however be a good BRIDGE GUY ... if we get him ... the QB room will have Darnold or Rosen in it ... not some what i’d Consider a BUM in this class ...

Keep dreaming ed ... keep dreaming bud ... maybe RG3 will surface again ... ...

Lets see ..... Carr, Prescott, Newton in the same CLASS as Taylor ... ...

Maybe u oughta watch a football game instead of studying your stats all the time ...

I didn't know where you stand until this post. I get why you're only looking at the 2, but no need to pick on ed for evaluating others - even if you think they'll be practice squad guys.

I do watch football, and I would put these guys above Taylor. I was making a point. He's an average QB and would be a fine bridge for a year.

I like Tyrod Taylor's toughness, scrambling ability, and grit.

I think he struggles w/accuracy, especially on the deep passes. I also think he leaves the pocket too early. He also holds the ball too long. I don't have this year's numbers, but he held it more than any other qb in the 2015-16 season. He was the only guy who held it longer than Cody Kessler.

I like the guy, but I hope we don't bring him here.

Don't worry. Some of the tone in those posts come from my entourage my own little troll brigade.

Any person who's actual response to Tyrod as a bridge QB is to say that he sucks while not saying a negative word about McCarron exposes themselves as a football hypocrite.

I agree he's not on Alex Smith's level right now.

I follow Tyrod, watched him at VT got to see him live in a ton pre-season Raven's games prior to him going to the Bills and winning their starting job.

Think of the production and perception of Alex Smith before he ended up with Harbaugh/Andy Reid or the perception of Case Keenum w/ Rams before he went to Vikings or even the perception of Goff before he McVay got there.

Heck, you could even look at the production of Josh McCown this year with the Jets vs his production with 2016 incarnation of the Browns.

Situation matters.

And Tyrod's production is undoubtedly better then all the QBs above before they landed in their right situation.

Specifically to his skillset historically, Tyrod has been a good deep ball thrower. He was 21st in deep ball accuracy this season and I believe that's the lowest mark in his career. That dip is certainly related to the Bills front office sending his top 2 receivers to LA and trading for an injury receiver mid-season as the replacement.

Yeah he was hurt by losing those guys, but when he DID throw deep it was often ineffective. His arm past 20 yards is lacking zip from what I have seen. He also throws a crap fade. Like I say, he has some skills I like. Quick , careful with the ball. I think he's a gamer, too.

No doubt you saw what you saw when it comes to his deep ball. All i'm saying is that historically, its been strength of his game:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-daily-focus-tyrod-taylor-up-next-for-a-big-payday

Situation matters.
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Repeated so many times because it is something a lot of people miss regarding ALL players. Some people get caught up in numbers, both good and bad, or what their perceived value is to their old team when trying to predict that players value to our team.

But football has so many variables you can't depend on the numbers nor can you predict how said player will play on a different team with a different scheme with a different roster and different coaching.

Circumstances and situations matter.

Situation certainly matters, bro. However, talent and skill set matters, too.

Ranking dead last in terms of releasing the football is not a positive stat. Leaving the pocket early is a negative. Poor accuracy is a killer. The dude reminds me of Seneca Wallace in how many times he throws the ball out of bounds.

I do like his toughness. It was on full display against Jax. They kept drilling him and should have been flagged, but the dude got back up and kept competing.

Good guy, but his skill set is lacking for the NFL. I think he would be a good fit as a backup for a good team.

Yet, despite everything he lead a team kicking and screaming into the playoffs.

I said I like the guy. He is gutty, tough, and I am guessing he is a good leader. I just don't like his skill set, ed. I am not asking for you to agree w/me and I don't want to argue. I am just stating my opinion.

And speaking of arguing........I'm pretty tired of it. It used to be fun, but it's not anymore. And I guess the last straw was how several posters basically called Joe "Freaking" Thomas a liar. One used the words "paid lackey."

I mean........seriously!!!! This blind love for Sashi and hate for Hue has resulted in people trashing Joe Thomas? Nah man...........I'm done.

We just have different views on his skillset. To me your critique didn't describe a QB that just led a team to the playoffs.

I agree that he holds the ball. No doubt about it.
That's something that could be helped through coaching and scheme.

Anyhow here are some other QBs time to throw numbers as a frame of reference:

Time to throw:
Tyrod 42nd @ 3.16s
Aaron Rodgers 32nd @ 2.78
Jared Goff 35th @ 2.85
Cam Newton 34th @ 2.82
Deshaun Watson 39th @ 3.11
Carson Wentz 29th @ 2.75
Russell Wilson 40th @ 3.14

Taylor lead the team kicking or screaming or Shady led the team. Please.

Lol, please post more. Your takes are so insightful.

How's this for insight, smart guy. Check out these magnificent numbers for the man who led his team kicking and screaming into the playoffs.

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

13 12/03 NE L 3-23 1 1 9 18 50.0 65 3.6 0 1 3 25 35.6 3 32 10.7 0 -- --
14 12/10 IND W 13-7 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
15 12/17 MIA W 24-16 1 1 17 29 58.6 224 7.7 1 0 2 12 94.6 6 42 7.0 1 -- --
16 12/24 @ NE L 16-37 1 1 21 38 55.3 281 7.4 0 0 6 39 78.9 3 16 5.3 0 1 0
17 12/31 @ MIA W 22-16 1 1 19 27 70.4 204 7.6 1 0 4 18 104.6 6 35 5.8 0 -- --

Time to throw is overrated. Why are all these guys so high? They're mobile.

It's a litany of quarterbacks who like to get out of the pocket and extend the play. Time to throw is counted from snap to throw or crossing the line of scrimmage. A more accurate representation of issues with "holding the ball" would be how long the quarterback holds the ball in the pocket.

Mobility is an asset, and Taylor is one of the quarterbacks who maximises his asset.

He's not my A1 choice, but Taylor is another quarterback who is constantly bombarded by disrespect. In particular, I've noticed it's Cousins, Taylor and Newton. All three are kick ass quarterbacks who produce at a high level. They're Pro-bowlers. They've all been to the playoffs. Yet they never really get acknowledge for their efforts.

I was smiling to myself when Taylor got benched this year. Hm. Guess poor ol' Nate Peterman wasn't an upgrade.

I'd love to have Taylor on our team. Talented guy, high character, really efficient. He'd be an asset to any roster.

There is a difference between guys like Wilson, Rodgers, and Wentz between guys like Taylor, Manziel, and Mayfield. The first group buys time when they need to. The second group abandons the pocket before they need to and aren't particularly good at reading coverages.

I would be curious to see some stats, links, or video to prove the validity of these claims.

stats

Diam. Real quick. What was Notre Dame's Defense like in 2016?

That would have been such a great idea last year too.

Oh you wants stats now? Let me help you save yourself from the obvious embarrassment of the transparency of your cherry picking "bad games" to make a spurious point, lol.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017



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14th in QBR (for refer 1 spot higher then Kirk Cousins)

You've convinced me, Ed. I've come around on Taylor, thanks.

The QB room should be:

1. Tyrod Taylor (bridge)
2. Lamar Jackson (franchise)
3. RG III (veteran)

I posted similar thoughts somewhere. I think releasing Josh was a huge mistake, and bringing him back would be a good idea. Let him start til the rook is ready, be backup til he's ready to hang'em up, and keep him as a coach.

Counting on McCown to stay healthy is a bit risky.

Agreed. He managed it in NY this last season, and we do have a better OL than when he was here before. McGown's presence is greater than his playing ability. If he gets hurt, maybe the rook is ready, if not, DK gets a chance to show his improvement. Either way, Josh's improves the QB room.

I prefer Keenum or Foles. I don't know Daniels and don't trust Bradford. If Bridgewater is available it's because he's broken. But Josh would be a good option and is likely to take the job if offered.

Josh broke his hand this year. He didn't play in the last 3 games. He has never once played a full 16 game season in the NFL.

I like the guy and it was a mistake to cut him. I wish he was still here, but I read that he wants to stay in NY and even said he was willing to mentor a rookie qb if the Jets draft one high.

There were reports that we offered Josh a role in the QB coaching room if he wanted to hang his cleats. But, he still wants to play.

Yeah, I read that too.

Reflecting....

It really was a mistake to cut Josh loose. He would have really been good for Kizer this year. He is such a "team" guy.

I hadn't heard about his hand, but then I didn't pay attention to the Jets. That's not good for us, we should have never let him go.

Agreed.

Are you saying, mac, that Dorsey will draft his pick regardless of who Hue wants (if different than Dorsey)? Or will it be a collaborative effort of the two? Simply picking your brain here...