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I just watched this of the link. ABC has pulled all video. I can't believe how stupid some people can be. One dude, has alledgedly done this too over 70 fast food joints. I don't understand how folks can fall for such B.S. I guess the dude must of been pretty convincing over the phone, but Gee Wizz when the police station is 5 minutes away. Anyways, if you havent seen it, the video was recorded in 2004, so this may be old news. The video link is almost at the bottom of page

This reminds me of the tests by Stanley Milgram in which he had people believing they were shocking and eventually killing other participants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

The powers of obedience and authority are amazing aren't they?

Hmm, I wonder if that study would help the Nick guy in court? It is wild, I have never seen this study before. It sure helps make sense of the fast food hoaxer.

I remember studying that experiment in Psychology. In countries like Germany and Japan about 90% of the people shocked them all the way. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. How could three people be so naive. Actually, how could 2 people be so naive? The Old guy was just along for the ride. He knew it was F'd up, but he still went along. Perv.

And that's why they work at McDonald's....People absolutely amaze me with their ignorance.

A policeman on the phone for 2.5 hrs and never does a uniformed officer in a patrol car show up?

And they couldn't figure out this wasn't right?

I feel sorry for the girl, and others over the years, but no sympathy for the manager or her boyfriend, they're just idiots.

The 2.5 hours is weird. I worked at MCD's when I was 16, and cops were there getting free coffee every hour or so, it seemed. The dude had a Taco bell, get a customer too go through this crap.I have a daughter and it's crap like this that scares me too death thinking about it.

Actually, I know some really good people who manage at McDonalds. Ignorant people show up everywhere, in case you haven't noticed.

For some reason ... I think this might go deeper than "dumb luck" for a few of these incidents. It seemed like that Walter Nix guy was in on it. I mean, he gets called in to come "interrogate" her? He probably met the caller on some dirty-perv chat room, and got a "date" set up to do a strip search. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

The caller seemed to know all the psychological angles for this. Like how to how to pass off as a police officer at first and get the "trust" established ... and then work up to the more inane stuff when their guard is completely down. Then he also knew which targets would most likely comply, not necessarily due to ignorance, but more or less the "mindset" of those targeted.

Actually, I saw this one tv. They manager and the person on the phone were both in on it. The caller is in jail and I believe the manager is still on trial.

All I have to say is if I was that poor girl's father, I would be kicking someones ass and it would start with that stupid manager and her twisted boyfriend.

I saw this when it aired on primetime, or dateline, or 20/20...I watch all those shows. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It is absurb, and I am glad the man who let a child felate him because of a"cop's orders" is in prison. They should make him a unicque, or however you spell it, OFF WITH HIS BALLS! <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

No right minded, or intelligent person would EVER, strip a friggin child because of a phone call, and then sit there in her interview and say things like, "never did I think for one second, this sin't a cop". If you saw the show you would know just how absurd that statement is. I would have kicked her butt if I was the guy giving the interview. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

"I didn't know", "I thought he was a cop", all the while her lawyer is sitting right off camera.

YOU LET YOUR HUSBAND TO BE, ABUSE A CHILD YOU TOTAL MORON!

I think the girl would score a 2 on the wonderlic test <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> I mean come on you have to be brain dead to fall for something as stupid as that.

Ya she may be dumb and Naive, VERY much so. That does not excuse the sheer stupidity from someone qualified to be a manager.

I am appalled as you are believe me. I just don't understand how one could be so moronic. Now if the abuse of this child, was premeditated among the three, than obviously they were sick before the phone call. I just don't understand, if they were duped by the phone caller, how historically law abiding citizens could be so vile. The study points out that 65 percent of the participants, would push the button too send 450 volts through the learner, at the experimenters orders. Enough voltage too kill the learner, even when the learner is begging for mercy,and certain death is eminent. Right or wrong, a Jury is going to hear this in the Nick's case.

We are taught too obey authority as young children. This is ingrained in our psychosis..It's just a theory, but I would say the lady had too of sensed something was very wrong in the beginning stages of this thing. Once she crossed the line, her only hope for justification, was that the caller was indeed a police officer, which in her mind would justify the actions she took.

The Nick dude, seen her naked, and being perverted, was too ready too follow the callers orders. I would assume, since this was the case put on primetime, that it was the worst case out of the seventy cases. This dude was a time bomb waiting too go off, and the caller tripped the clock. The fact, that the manager ended relations with him, would lead me too believe she was appalled with his willingness too follow the perverted orders. I'm still amazed, at how this happened, and how the caller manipulated these people.

The girl is the total victim, and her actions in this thing, should not be criticized imo. I think we can teach our own children from her inactions, but too criticize her is wrong.

[color:"white"] No, a person does not have to be "brain dead" to "fall" for something like this. This is a case of psychology - not intelligence. For example, a female who was sexually abused as a child is more likely to be a victim again throughout their life. They are more likely to be raped, for one because their history makes them a prime target for the rapist, and because they are less likely to fight what is happening. I would bet there is some kind of abuse in that girls past that made her so easy to manipulate. Abuse perpetuates more abuse.

Oh, but that doesn't satisfy us, does it? So let's just call her stupid and be done with it. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />
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Jail time is appropriate for the main participants. I'm sure McDs will be forced to compensate this young woman's family because of the actions of a few sick and criminal minds.
It is horrible and to think that this can happen to many teenagers is disgusting in itself.
I have 2 grown daughterts and the oldest may have fallen for a bit of this scam before refusing...the youngest who is a Mom now herself would have taken down the manager and the adult male in the room. She was a bad ass as a teenage girl but a kind and gentle Mom.

Exactly. She even said she was almost having an "out of body experience". Everybody watches this video, and in 5 minutes, they go from reasonable demands, to odd demands, to inappropriate demands, to ludicrus demands. So it's easy for people to sit there and say, "Well how could you follow THAT order?" But when you're subjected to stressful situations over the course of a LONG period of time, there's no telling what the mind will do for some people. And everyone is different and might react differently as well.

Especially if you're a teenager who's brain is not through growing. Also who knows what she was taught about questioning authority.

[color:"white"] And especially if she has a history of abuse. If PrimeTime had any balls, they would have asked her this, but that would be too deep for the typical PrimeTime audience. [/color]

It would definatly make a good case study for a psychology class. And it does sound similiar to the "electroshock" experiment mentioned earlier. The whole component to this is "time", and the longer you go with slightly increased demands, the "demand" before almost justifies the next one.

Chinese water torture I guess would work with the same sort of principle. Looking at individual drops, people would wonder how that would have any effect. But if you multiply it out across a long period of time ...

Sorry I have to disagree. Everybody involved in this has to be dumber than a rock IMO (well the guy had to be dumb and a perv) <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> It's a case of stupidy on all three of their parts.

Of course you have to disagree it's what you do. It doesn't matter if you're wrong but you have to do it.

shhhhhhh nobody else knows <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"] I am only talking about the girl. To claim that she allowed herself to be victimized because she is unintelligent is unfair and dishonest on your part. What some of you are doing is putting yourselves in her position and saying, "If I were her, I would kick that managers ass!" Well, most of you are adults and some of you are men, so how the hell can you judge her reaction? You people have no idea what it would be like for a young girl to be put in such a traumatizing situation like that. [/color]

BULLCRAP....My wife was young once, my daughter was that age not long ago, and I know a lot of young ladies that would not stand there like a bump on a log while they were made fools of. I feel sorry for the girl, I really do but she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"] Was your wife sexually abused as a child? Was your daughter? You completely disregard the psychological side of this (probably because you don't understand it) but I am telling you the girl's response to the sexual abuse by authority figures fits the pattern of previous sexual abuse perfectly. People who have been sexually abused are more likely to resign themselves to future incidences of it because they believe they have no power to stop what is happening. Intelligence has NOTHING to do with it. [/color]

My wife was smacked around as a child, and let me tell you she wouldn't stand there and let anybody smack her around once she was big enough to defend herself. I say what she did was stupid, you say she was abused as a child..... for same strange reason I don't believe either one of us is going to change our mind bro <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"] You are right about that. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> [/color]

Nice to meet you Charlie Brown, my name is also Charlie Brown <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Bull! I was sexually abused as a child. Trust me when I say that I would not put up with this CRAP, ever.

I will preface this by saying I have not watched the video (don't have time to download right now). But, based on the brief story they have on that site, I would say the girl sounds like she was not all there. Whether that means she did not have the mental capacity to understand the situation or she was high/stoned etc.

As someone that has been sexually abused, I resent that you stated your opinion above as though it was some type of fact. It is not. In fact, the next time I was faced with an abusive situation, I left that a-hole, divorced him, and moved 2 hours away from him. And he and I had been together for over 7 years when he just threatened abuse upon me. I do NOT put up with even a threat of any type of abuse. Nor do any of the other women that I know that have been abused in the past.

The sexually abused women that I know, in my life, are very strong. Placed in a similar situation to what is in this story, I believe that the majority of us (whether having an abusive past or not) would have stated that no, we will not remove our clothes in front of the manager, but that we'd prefer for a police offer to conduct a search.

If I did nothing wrong, I have nothing to fear by going to a police station. Only someone with something to hide, or someone lacking the mental capacity (does that mean intelligence or drugs, up to you) would comply with those demands.

Did you know I was dishonest <img src="/images/graemlins/saywhat.gif" alt="" />

Lisa he's not talking about a woman he's talking about a young girl who still could be in the abusive situation. Even if the girl in this case was not sexually abused prior to this incident she is a teenager at her first job who was given orders by an authority figure supposedly acting under the orders of the police. The point is being abused by those in authority doesn't make her dumb.

Frankly, I am just upset at the way he stated his opinion as fact. As though women/girls that are sexually abused are more docile and will likely allow it to continue to happen to them rather than stand up for themselves. THAT is a load of crap, to me at least. That was the true point of what I was saying.

Besides, as I said, I did not watch the video (and probably won't if I'm being honest). Maybe there's more to it than what I read. But based on what I've read, is what I based my post on.

And if it's a young girl standing up for herself that my example needs to be about. I need look no further than my sister. We were abused by the same man. As a teenager she put up with NO ONE'S crap, and she still doesn't. Had a boss told her the cops were on the phone, she'd have said to send them on down to pick her up cuz she wasn't gonna strip nekkid for anyone.

But you are GM...you told me you were a young, old, tall, short, skinny, fat man. When in reality, you're a medium height, medium weight, middle age man. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"] I hope you read this, BB, because the last thing I want to do is mischaracterize you. If I have something to learn, I will learn it. But allow me to first make some things clear. [/color]



[color:"white"] I am glad to hear that. I admire people like you who are able to break out of that vicious cycle.

I did use the words "more likely" in my post but that may have been too subtle. I never talk in absolutes because I don't believe they exist. There are many people, including yourself, who are able to overcome sexual abuse at a young age. I know two such women. However, the majority do not and they allow themselves to be victimized repeatedly because their self-image has been so screwed up.

I would recomend watching the video because there are facts that are important to understanding this case. The most important is that the girl obeyed an order to perform a sex act on one of the males. This is where I depart from GM's opinion that she was just dumb. I could understand a really stupid person thinking a strip search was legitemate, however, once she complied with the sex act it became painfully obvious that it was more than stupidity compelling her. She was also working a double shift so she was not stoned/drunk. They asked her why she did not run out of the room and she replied she was too ashamed and humiliated, another indicator of childhood sexual abuse. She was also very young, not a mature adult which also makes a huge difference.

But what I want to make clear is that I do not think this is the way all sexually abused people would respond. However, it is most definitly why she responded the way she did.

And I still think you are dishonest GM. I don't know how, after watching her perform the sex act, you can say she was just dumb. But we agreed to disagree, so I will just let it go. . . . for now. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> [/color]

You make those first two quotes then you call me dishonest <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Babe you left out long haired, bald, good looking ugly guy <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

[color:"white"] OK, I will try again. I don't know for CERTAIN why this girl did what she did or why anyone does anything they do. However, my OPINION based on the EVIDENCE is that she was PSYCHOLOGICALY MANIPULATED to do these things, and she did them because she has a HISTORY of victimization and to say she performed a SEX ACT on a stranger because she is STUPID is offensive and DISHONEST. Is that clear enough for you? [/color]