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Sounds like Dorsey could lean that way when all said and done, which saddens me...

Draft could be Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield... 1, 2, 3....

j/c

I can't remember who said it, or in which thread, but someone made the comment that this is a deep QB draft and there are only a few teams looking for a QB. The implication was that we don't have to necessarily be looking to draft one at #1. This article gives a quick look at the top QBs in this draft, but goes on to identify 16 teams (that's half the league) who are in the market for a QB. If we are drafting a QB, we can't afford to wait. Take our choice first and let the other 15 teams figure out who they want from the rest.

LOL............now we have Rosen's brain is weak. You guys are so freaking whacked.

I think the Browns would be foolish not to draft a QB at #1. They have had a problem since 99 and no solution has been identified.

the Browns would be even more foolish to give up on Deshone Kizer(whom they traded trade resources in 2016 to get which makes him a 1st rd investment in value) for another unknown.

look at Kizer's Scouting report, weaknesses:




sounds an awful lot like last year doesn't it?

thats what people do not understand

KIZER DID NOTHING THAT WAS NOT EXPECT OF HIM IF HE WAS TO START AS ROOKIE WHIHC IS WHY EVERYONE SAID HE NEEDED A YEAR TO SIT.

Kizer is the 1st Qb since 99 to actually last an entire year without getting hurt, He is also the 1st QB to not get happy feet and get scared back there since Kosar...Kizer is 6'4 233 pounds with more upside then any QB in the draft this year.

The Browns now actually have a good OC/QB coach in Todd Haley who actually knows how to coach up a young QB instead of the buffon Jackson....Haley will get Kizer to play far better next year.

The Browns need to invest their draft capital and FA money in getting more talent on the O side of the ball. instead of pissing it away on another draft bust at QB. Face it, we take a QB #1 overall, the kid will struggle and the Browns fans will want to trash him just like they want to trash Kizer.

Cooler heads need to prevail here, we will see soon if Dorsey is worth a damn as an NFL GM because if he does give up on a 21 year old prospect(whe most Qb drafted are 23-24 coming out) then he is a fool and its no wonder KC fired him.

I think behind closed doors Todd Haley is telling the Browns that he can work with Kizer...both Ben Rothlisberger and Haley were very impressed with Kizer on opening day last year on how composed and such he was...sure Kizer was raw, but with proper coaching(Haley) Kizer could end up being the best QB we have had here in Cleveland in a long time. As the game slows down for Kizer, and with better coaching his so called accuracy issues will get better(when the throws are no longer late) it just takes time to develop a QB...taking another 1st rd guy is a waste because the Browns will not give it 4-5 years to develop a guy.

We need to ride it out with Kizer, with a better supporting cast and a better QB teacher(Haley) Kizer will improve by leaps and bounds...Haley will make him a better QB...he is still young...he is the perfect guy to mold for this organization

Kizer's concerns are his accuracy. Although coaches will think they can "fix" it, you can't coach accuracy. Kizer is just a better version of Allen, but their problems are one in the same. Odds of Kizer ever being the answer are slim to none.

lol ... Kizer is just a better version of Allen?


Is that why Allen is ranked as high as #1 when Kizer was passed over twice by most teams?

Teams aren't ranking him that high. The media is...

Sorry, but do you have inside information with all 32 NFL teams?

The media ranking players higher than teams is usually what happens EVERY year. As the draft gets closer and smoke screens are eventually debunked, those mock drafts and reports come closer to where teams usually are, especially in the top ten.

C'mon, we all should know this by now.

I get Pastor's point. device said that Kizer was a better version of Allen. I am willing to bet that Allen will be drafted before the 52nd pick in this year's draft.

Yeah, because other coaches totally have their rookie Qb throwing the ball 35+ times a game, evne one game with a whopping 47 attempt!? LOL

Hue is an awful coach and an awful Qb teacher

Haley is actually a good coach and good with QB unlike Hue. All Kizer needs is a year or two with a good coach like Haley to iron things out. Kizer had a typlical rookie year, the only difference is his rookie mistakes were magified because the rest of the team around him outside the OL was absolute garbage.

Also Haley isn't clueless

Kizer had no chance to succeed here last year...no QB would had a chance here last year.

I could ask the same of you...

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything... Kizer has still started 15 games in the NFL. Allen has not.

Probably true... you could probably hide a quarterback's accuracy issues by not having him throw a lot.

It depends on whether or not I, as the GM, are operating under the assumption that I'm going to be around for awhile OR do I have to appease the fanbase/Haslam?

1) I would absolutely find a QB via FA with a solid resume that can come in and win games.

2) I would trade down from the #1 pick.

3) Work the draft to come away with one of the following positions CB, CB/FS, RB, WR, DE at positions where the following players are best players available in the 1st 2 rounds: Minka, Barkley, Derwin James, Denzel Ward, Josh Jackson, Marcus Davenport, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Guice, Penny, Calvn Ridley, Courtland Sutton, DJ Chark

4) Try to get Mike White, Kyle Lauletta at positions in the draft that makes sense towards their true value I think 3rd-4th rounds

A recipe for disaster.

That plan SUCKS.

Damn people just don't get this. Unreal.

Draft two quarterbacks.

I'd agree that Kizer has accuracy issues.

Going into next year with him as the starting QB just isn't a good option.

And I like Kizer. I'd like to keep him around and develop him. But he needs to step back, work on his mechanics, and learn the game. A season of reflection and observation would be best for him.



Kizer's got good size, powerful arm, athleticism, maturity for his age, good attitude, and good toughness. There's a lot to like. But he was a ridiculously raw player who shouldn't have put in the position he was last year.

I haven't given up on Kizer just yet. I just never had a lot of hope for him to begin with ^^

Here is how I would approach the draft. Ideally pre-draft we draft a Veteran Qb, a FS, a veteran WR and a Cb - priority in that order.

My approach is with the view that our defense is okay (notice I said okay not good) but our offense is putrid.

Pick #1 - Qb of choice. I won't elaborate on my choice here because then it becomes a Qb conversation and we have enough of that going on.

Pick #4 - Barkley Rb PSU - We need a good run game and he is as dynamic as you can find.

Pick #33 - Christian Kirk Wr TA&M - a dynamic playmaker with good hands

Pick #35 - Mike Hughes, CB, UCF - He may be the best press corner in this draft

Pick #64 - Chukwuma Okorafor OT Western Michigan - I bundle one of our later round and move up to make sure that I get him.

Pick #65 - Kevin Tolliver Cb LSU

This draft essentially fixes our offense. Now and for the next decade. We are dynamic and explosive even if Gordon falls off the wagon again. And we significantly upgrade our defensive backfield.

If Barkley is not available at #4 then I trade down with the Jets. They leapfrog the Broncos to get their Qb of the future and we get their 2nd rounder (+/- a mid-round pick) next year. At #6 I take Roquan Smith ILB Georgia. He is a sideline to sideline Lb that is a great tackler, a defensive playmaker and the tone-setter for the defense.

But by not getting Barkley we need a Rb so I take Sony Michel in place of Hughes.

Rosen, Minkah

I would take Barkley first overall and one of the top QB prospects, preferably Allen, at 4. if we sign Cousins or Foles in the off season, then the pick would be Fitzpatrick at 4.

1)Dequan Barkley, RB Penn State
4)Josh Allen, QB Wyoming ( Fitz. if Foles or Cousins signed)

I like B. I want our best choice AND a vet QB. The idle with the rest of choices. If amassing more picks pays of, we would have wins. Not its own answer IMO. This year will be different, I hope and pray. Get us people who play well and win. If they can't win with Hue, then maybe without him. No tolerance for the crap about seeing what we have. We have seen it; not worth keeping. Pencil Kizer in as 3rd choice.

Trust me instead.

j/c:

Baker Mayfield’s 10 Potential Landing Spots

Part 3 of our draft season series on Baker Mayfield, the 2018 draft’s most fascinating prospect on and off the field

In the quest to land a franchise quarterback, the Browns are doing their homework. Less than three days after the final whistle blew on a monstrously entertaining Super Bowl, the Browns requested a private visit with Baker Mayfield, his first such invite, two league sources tell The MMQB.

New general manager John Dorsey and head coach Hue Jackson are continuing the seemingly perennial search for the player who will lead the Browns out of a more-than-two-decade stretch without a playoff victory. Mayfield figures to be a topic of intense scrutiny for not only the Browns, but a handful of other teams working to evaluate one of the 2018 NFL draft's biggest wild cards.

Mayfield, the Heisman Trophy winner, will be the topic of a weekly series examining numerous aspects of his life and career, from his harried introduction to the NFL draft landscape two weeks ago at the Senior Bowl, to his development as a passer over three seasons at Oklahoma, to those Johnny Manziel comparisons which seem to follow him around lately. As I’ve conferenced with NFL evaluators over the past three weeks, three major questions emerged:

1. How well and how quickly can he learn an NFL offense after tremendous success in the Air Raid at Oklahoma?

2. Can he become one of the few successful 6-foot quarterbacks?

3. How will his mercurial personality manifest at the next level?

Our series will effort to answer those questions and more, with one important caveat—we won’t be sharing the opinions of anonymous scouts and evaluators. As far as teams go, the Browns will get the first crack at finding answers, on a date to be determined. In the meantime, Mayfield is working out in Southern California in advance of Oklahoma’s Pro Day (March 14) and the NFL Combine (Feb. 27-March 5).

What follows is my ranking of the 10 most-likely landing spots for Mayfield, after taking the temperature of numerous scouts, coaches and general managers across the league. This ranking is a marriage of that intel and my judgment of the best fits for Mayfield and a team’s ability to land the player based on draft position, draft capital and a regime’s tendency to deal draft picks. Each team’s evaluation of Mayfield will take shape over the course of the spring, and I have no doubt several of these teams will fall out of the running while others vault up the list.

1. Cleveland Browns
Where they pick in Round 1: Nos. 1 and 4
Key player: Hue Jackson, head coach
The Browns have the draft capital to make this happen on their terms, either by trading back deeper in the Top 10, or by pulling the trigger with one of their existing picks. When Hue Jackson has had success with young quarterbacks, they’ve been guys with tons of experience coming out of college and the advanced football aptitude that comes with that. Think Joe Flacco in Baltimore, Andy Dalton and AJ McCarron in Cincinnati; all three attempted more than 900 passes in college and the latter two were four-year starters. Jackson values scheme above all, and he believes his scheme can beat any defense in football with the right brain on the field. Mayfield might just be that brain. He played for three different head coaches over his college career yet improved his production year over year without fail. Jackson’s biggest criticism of former Notre Dame quarterback DeShone Kizer last season was a telling one; Jackson said it was fair to wonder if Kizer would “ever get it.” Likewise, Jackson’s new boss, John Dorsey, puts a high value on football IQ when drafting quarterbacks—he said one of the major factors in the decision to draft Patrick Mahomes out of Texas Tech was his ability to retain playbook information during a six-hour visit with the Chiefs staff. Former coaches say Mayfield has something like a photographic memory, and when he showed up at OU’s campus to battle with Trevor Knight for a starting job, players remarked after the first practices that Mayfield seemed to have a better grasp of the playbook than Knight, the incumbent starter. My only hesitation: Having known Jackson for five years and met Mayfield for about five minutes, this armchair psychiatrist wonders if the two big, brash personalities could coexist with all that brutal honesty flying back and forth. My hunch is they’d either love each other, or kill each other.

(Teams 2-10 are in the link)

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/02/08/baker-...impression=true

Interesting to see if is still on the Browns roster after the Draft ..

I suspect there will be a journeyman vet starting, Kizer as #2, and rookie in training. What I don't want to see is vet injured in game 2 and we throw the rookie in.

U know ...thats a much harder question than it would appear to be at first glance ... seems like a no-brainer he would be ... but there are some mitigating circumstances that need to be taken into account ..

Well I'll state it again ; You might see a whole new QB room .. Now given the fact that my Crystal Ball is in hock to cover my Sport bet losses , Who knows ! lol

Kizer will be on our roster. No way we cut a 2nd round 21/22 year old after 1 year of play.

Hogan and Kessler will be gone for sure tho.

I expect our QBs to be #1 pick, vet, Kizer, and Hogan. Hogan could be released after training camp or we could draft 2 QBs. Kessler will be gone. Or I suppose he could be our vet, I guess you just never know.

I don't see us drafting two QBs. Vet, #1 pick, & Kizer going into the season with Hogan possibly making it through camp.

"You're gonna have to trust me on this one", Kessler will be gone.