DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Scot McCloughan joins Cleveland Browns as a personnel consultant for the 2018 NFL draft

I love it.

It absolutely floors me every time I see someone say we can't take a 6 foot QB at #1. There isn't anything more irrational than that.

In my opinion, I believe the people in the building think highly of Mayfield. But, they want to know how good is he. And then they want to go out and see if Darnold or Rosen or Allen or Jackson could be better. If they feel that someone could be, that's who they'll draft.

If we end up drafting Darnold or Rosen or Allen that just means they felt he's better than Mayfield. This is good news because they know Mayfield is going to be very good and they just drafted someone they feel will be even better.

There are a bunch of opinions out there... some legit, some not. Some say Baker is the next Johnny. Some say Rosen has the highest odds to bust. Some say Darnold doesn't have that elite arm strength to make it. Some say Jackson runs too much... There are varying opinions on all the QBs.

We are just going to have to trust the guys in charge... Oh, and if they draft Mayfield first, I do have an old 26" Dynex TV I can sell you.

What if they take Darnold? ... just curious if that would tweek u also ..

j/c...

Browns reportedly request visit with Baker Mayfield
Published: February 8, 2018 - 10:30 PM | Updated: February 9, 2018 - 4:16 PM
By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal/Ohio.com

The connectable dots between the Browns and Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Baker Mayfield continue to become increasingly visible.

This week, the franchise requested a private visit with Mayfield, Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated’s The MMQB reported Thursday. It was the first invitation to a pre-draft visit the University of Oklahoma product received.

Mayfield is among the quarterbacks the Browns will thoroughly research during the buildup to the April 26-28 NFL Draft. They have the first and fourth overall picks and will likely use the top choice on a quarterback.

Mayfield proved to be a dynamic playmaker in college, but he lacks prototypical height — he’s 6-foot-3/8; and 216 pounds — and there are questions about his maturity and attitude.

However, the Browns seem to be in his corner early in the pre-draft process.

Not only did new Browns General Manager John Dorsey defend Mayfield’s character in two separate interviews last month during the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., but Dorsey also recently hired a known Mayfield fan as a consultant: former Washington and San Francisco General Manager Scot McCloughan.

During an interview in October with The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, McCloughan compared Mayfield to Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre and said Mayfield would be the QB he would pick this year to lead a team. Dorsey and McCloughan were Green Bay scouts who know Favre from his illustrious career with the Packers.

Last month, McCloughan heaped even more praise on Mayfield during an interview with the Cecil & Pritchard show on Denver radio station 104.3 The Fan.

“I was lucky enough to have been around Favre, and I’ve gotten to know Baker pretty well just by watching him,” McCloughan said Jan. 18. “There’s some off-field stuff, but nothing too hairy. I mean it happens. College kids are college kids. It’s not like he’s doing anything really bad. But he is a competitive guy. He wears it on his sleeve from the standpoint of emotions.

“He plays with strength throughout his body, and the fact that he’s just a football player — it’s impressive. It’s a really good class this year coming out in the draft for quarterbacks. But I know this, if I was going to play one game tomorrow, he’d be my guy — hands down.”

During the same interview, McCloughan stopped short of giving Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins a rave review. Cousins is expected to headline free agency in March after his team agreed to trade for Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith. But Cousins’ stated desire to win immediately suggests the Browns, coming off an 0-16 season, aren’t a likely fit.

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan said. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special. [Washington coach] Jay Gruden does a great job play calling. [Former Washington offensive coordinator and Los Angeles Rams coach] Sean McVay did a great job play-calling to put him in positions to be successful. He’s talented. Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall is not over .500. I know he has not won a playoff game. But he’s competitive.

“He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building. He’s always watching tape. He’s always talking to coaches. He was talking to me. From the standpoint of intangibles, they’re excellent. You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game. You want to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

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PERFECT set up. Keep it up Dorsey.

You bet. VIDEO. And it'll be as good if not better than Kelces .

Awesome! Everyone loves a good meltdown.

KWhip, we have the first overall pick. What are we trying to set-up?

I tend to agree. We can take anybody we want.

Just to play, maybe intel says the Giants like Mayfield.



Maybe intel says a team wants Baker and are looking to swap with the Giants? Maybe the Broncos?

Maybe we like one of the QBs you don't and feel we can get him at 4. Maybe we like a couple equally as well?

I know you want Rosen....cool, great player. Maybe Dorsey doesn't? Maybe he does?


I think right now we are just in the process. We are going to talk to all the top candidates.

Who the hell knows at this point?
Free agency is weeks away and things will be a little clearer, but maybe just another kind of murkiness. It's likely we won't know our QB of the future until we turn in the card.

I wasn't slamming your opinion ballpeen, just commenting in general about silly season, as they call it now.

That's what I'd assume. We'll interview all the top guys. Maybe we asked Baker first because we saw him first at the senior bowl.

I don't know who we will pick at Qb nor who we should.

I am leaning toward Darnold but would be happy with whomever Dorsey et al decide upon - as long as we pick a QB with #1 or at least #4. I cannot help but form my opinion but I recognize that this group of talent evaluators is more talented and experienced than I am. For the first time since 2000, I don't feel that I can do as well or better drafting players as the Browns front office. So I am going to put my faith in them.

If we must take a QB at 1, I hope it's either Rosen - or Darnold.

See, my one big thing is that we pick a QB at 1. I want us to find a guy that we view as the best in the class and choose that guy. There's three players who will be there at the 4 pick no matter what that are worth the 4.

Of course, if we sign Kirk Cousins, I'd live to trade the number 1 pick (and I hope we gauge interest with other teams before FA). That 1 pick is very valuable this year.


But yeah, I want us to identify our guy and get him. No room for doubt. The QB position is the most important position.

At four, we can have our choice of Chubb, Fitz, and Barkley. All are deserving of the pick. All have the potential to be very high level NFL Players and significant upgrades (and it's not a knock on Ogbah. A 3 DE rotation of those three would be great. Worked for the Giants in two superbowls)

I didn't take it that way, just as I wasn't
disagreeing with Vers.

We have the first pick. We don't have to set up anything....but...the possibilities are endless at this point.

Please no. Memories of Trent Richardson are too recent and vivid...

Memories of Ezekiel Elliot and Leonard Fournette are recent and vivid also.

Right. The intent was rather obvious..."lol"!

j/c

I wouldn't put too much into McCloughan's preference of QB. That's not why he's in the room. The Browns are most likely going to select a QB with their first pick. That will be the choice of the GM and HC with input from others. There are hundreds of players eligible for the draft. McCloughan runs a scouting company. Teams employ his services to help them understand the depth of the draft class, especially those players beyond the top 100 that they don't have the time and resources to fully scout. He's not in the room for his input on who to draft at #1, he's there for his input on who to draft in rounds 4-7.

Twisting words to fit agenda. Maybe you should have quoted the entire post. You know, the whole one line that followed? I didn't dog the source. I simply said we'll be hearing a lot of differing opinions between now and the draft. You just look to stir the pot. You just look to take things the way you wish to. Be it right or wrong.

I've read this board plenty and I don't take memphis as a pot stirrer.

Not that this is a big deal but I'd agree with them. You could have easily looked up who Robert Kelmco is rather than ask the board followed by an lol.

If this was not your intent and you actually thought it was funny that you didn't who he is, then I apologize.

I really am not one to pull punches. If my intent was to dog the guy, I would have dogged him. I didn't. Instead my statement that followed only indicated his would be one of many differing opinions we would hear prior to the draft. Pulling out the first line without reading the second line sounds like a political memo. All anyone has to do is read the entire thing rather than parsing it to fit an agenda.

I understand, and agree. I posted that in reaction to the seemingly constant flow of opinion (not so much here, but in the meadia) that the hiring of McCloughan is an indication that Mayfield is our guy.

I agree with this, It's all on Dorsey. FA begins March 14th 4pm.. Until then its gonna be fun speculating. Once FA is done then the real work begins.

Ah ; March 14th , thanks ! Was just about to go looking for that date ..

I think FA is going to be more "outgoing" this year, so the real work should have technically already begun. No rest, or no breaks.

We have cap, we have draft picks, we have a bad football team - put the work in and use them wisely and let's freaking rock it out! We can't afford to half arse things.

Amen Brother.

Fair enough. I apologize. I read it differently than your intent.

Not a problem. It's an easy thing to do and I've been guilty of it myself in the past.

Barkley is a TOTTALY different RB than Fournette ... u can’t compare the two ...

Barkley is no Zeke ... he’s not near as strong a runner between the tackles ...

Barkley is overrated by most on here ... he is VERY GOOD ... don’t get me wrong ... but he’s not Zeke and Fournette is an entirely different type of back ...

U got busted bro ...

Were not near as bad as people think ... we were a QB away from 4 - 6 wins last year ...

We have SOME TALENT here now ... and were LOADED with VERY HIGH QUALITY PICKS and a crap ton of cap space ...

Things have NEVER been NEAR THIS BRIGHT at the Factory of sadness ...

Make no mistake, it is Dorseys choice. Hue isn't in the room to be making decisions. He is there to give his input.

You know damn well what your intent was.

Moving on.....

Although, I am curious what my agenda is regarding that post. Please share.