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Is it worth trading a second round pick for a player you only expect to play one season?

I say no.

With Wentz questionable for the start of the season, I don't think the Eagles will be open to trading him in the spring...

Him or AJ... and a top QB in the draft would be ideal. Even Keenum and a top QB in the draft would be something I wouldn't frown upon.

No thanks. I've already stated my reasons.

So because we made mistakes in the past, we should continue to make mistakes?

isn't it a 5 year contract with a poison pill written into the 3rd year?

Yes. They basically found a loophole in the cap rules. If Foles doesn't get an extension he becomes a free agent after the 2018 season.

Chasing phantoms I fear.

I thought the poison pill was based on him being an Eagles player. So if he were to go to Denver, his poison pill wouldn't take effect and he'd be under contract for another 3 years. Is that not correct?

Not from what I understand.

https://overthecap.com/player/nick-foles/773

Nick Foles is not under contract after the 2018 season.

That's interesting. That's the only place where I've seen Foles's contact listed like that. Everywhere that I've seen says he'll only be a FA if he's on Philly in 2019.

So we're either paying him way too much to be a backup or he's agreeing that after one year he's okay with being a backup (instead of becoming a free agent and choosing a situation that fits him better)?

My guess is that people are just saying that because he is currently on the Eagles.

If I'm Philly, I don't let the guy that just gashed the living hell out of Bill Belichick go for a second rounder alone.

Dude just won a Super Bowl. He very well could be The Guy as well as anyone else.

I believe his success to be system based. Not a knock on him or how he performs within that system, just a limiting factor IMO.

Right? No how, no way... What do I need a 2nd round pick for? To get over the hump?? I just climbed the damned mountain!

Let's just say they're open to a trade... Dude just won a Superbowl, they probably want more than a 2nd.

Let's just say they're cool with a 2nd... Foles will want to leave a Superbowl team to come to the Browns? So he can watch us draft another QB? So fans can call for his head by the 3rd quarter of Week 1? NOPE. He wouldn't agree to a contract - so you're trading pick(s) for a one year rental.

The only likely scenario that puts Foles on your roster:
(2) 2nd or (1) 1st
A long term lucrative contract
A guarantee that you won't draft a QB in the first two rounds

Is Nick Foles your man??

System or not, that guy was accurate like we haven't seen in Cleveland in years.

Throughout his career he's all over the map in terms of completion percentage, and he has a very average 2:1 TD to INT ratio. I know you're excited about him because he won the Super Bowl, doesn't mean he would come here and light it up. His regular season completion percentage was 56.4%, and it wasn't until Pederson adjusted his system that he improved dramatically. He did light it up during the playoffs and SB, after Pederson made the adjustments.

Yes. Nick Foles went to the big stage and WON. I give him his lucrative contract, I tell him I'll draft his successor and sit him just like the Packers sat Aaron Rodgers and draft for need (CORNERBACK) and other areas with the rest of the draft to build around him.

This isn't that far off from the Chiefs getting Matt Cassel I know, but hey, he's proven himself as far as I'm concerned.

So he coached to his players strengths? What a thought!

Right? Pederson handled him brilliantly. And coached his ass off throughout the season and all the way to the Prize.

And ALL of this is based on Foles wanting to play in Cleveland ! I know it's all about the money , But ..

I dont get it bro ...

What makes u think Phili will trade him? ... i know if i was them NO WAY IN HELL would i trade him at all ... here’s why ..

- they just saw FIRST HAND how valuable a QUALITY back up is ... they don’t make it too, much less win the SB w/o having a QUALITY BACK UP last year ...

- Wentz MAY or MAY NOT even be ready for week 1 next year ...

If Phili trades him ... damm would that be DUMB!!!!

I’d do it. (Let’s assume Philly wants to trade him otherwise there’s nothing to talk about)

He’s proven he can light it up when the system is good.
People forget he went 27-2 one year. The team fell apart after that but I always liked him.
Reminds me of a Tom Brady type. Not the most athletic but smart and safe with the ball.

Best case scenario: Foles lights it up, we resign him and have a franchise QB OR franchise tag him and trade him and let rookie take over
Medium case: Foles does well but outplayed by Kizer or Rookie, we lose a 2nd rounder, not great but buys us a year of going 6-10 or so while rookie learns, worth a 2nd imo (Cuz we have so many, wouldn’t give up the #33)
Worst case: Foles outplays the rookie and Kizer but still only puts up mediocre #s. Again, oh well, we lose a 2nd

On most teams I wouldn’t do it, but Browns desperately need 6+ wins next year or half the long standings loyal fans will finally give up.

Did I listen the above link?? Don't know what that means. Look, YOU said it would be a 2nd - not the Eagles organization. I doubted it, but neither of us are right because it's all speculation. I simply said you have two options - give away a 2nd for a one year QB or make a long term lucrative commitment. And yes, you would have to "promise" him you weren't using this year's draft for a QB to get him to sign a contract now. If you don't care and just want to see how it works out - fine. He'll probably be gone after one year. He'll be a free agent and most likely see greener pastures than the 5-11 or 6-10 Browns, but who knows - anything can happen.

What better option is out there for a bridge quarterback? None, really. But let's be realistic. Foles has spent most of his career with Philly. He went from starter to backup to starter to backup to traded. When he resigned on the dotted line it was to be Wentz' backup. He's now someone they would be willing to build a statue for because he won them a Superbowl. If he wants to be traded to get his "shot" and Philly will honor that wish, the Browns won't be the only suitors. Is Philly just going to trade him to the Browns to punish him? There will be plenty of other choices for a trade partner. Are we going to outbid everyone else?

Look, I get it. We need a QB, we need to win some games, but just because our dream scenario was to draft a QB at 1 and sign a "bridge QB" doesn't mean that it will happen. If your definition of a "bridge" is a solid QB to come here for a year, maybe Foles is your guy, do your best to pry him away from Philly and outbid other teams without giving away the farm. I'm cool with that but it's not really my definition of a "bridge". What we really needed was someone like a Carson Palmer - A solid vet with a lot of experience that can win you some games. You overpay him for three years to come here and mentor a rookie until he can take a backseat. I don't know, maybe Josh McCown?

Certainly not saying there is anything wrong with the idea. I just feel like we always look at these things with orange colored glasses without really looking at the (un)likely hood of it working out.

Foles has said he wants to be a church pastor. When a guy has a calling walking away at ANY time wouldn't surprise me. People willaugh and say he'll take the money but but if he stays after 2, maybe 3 years I'd be shocked. Might be enough for our purposes but what do you give up? I say they keep him until they know their starter is good to go.

They literally built the system around Foles'.

You said sign him to an extension:





This is not true. Do you think Chase Daniel signed with the Saints thinking he was going to beat out Drew Brees? Brian Hoyer with the Patriots?



This scenario makes the most sense, but it is not the situation presented in the original post:





Agreed.



Yes.



I think Chase Daniel would be fine. Or A.J. McCarron. Or Josh McCown. There are plenty of guys that would cost nothing that would be fine. Basically anyone who can play several games without being the worst QB in the league.



If that were the only criteria, then Foles would might be the correct answer. Unfortunately we also have to consider contract status, compensation required to acquire the player, etc.

That's a damn good year. Almost a reverse Huey!

I learned the reverse Huey watching the WWE.