Haley will be fired cause Hue won't tolerate running the ball in the 4th quarter when we have the lead.
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We don't know anything about Amos and Hue hasn't been a very good HC the last two years.
Yeah, I left Amos off the list for that reason. I get your feelings on Hue, though I do believe he is a good leader and will make a much better HC than HC/OC.
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I get that facts aren't appreciated in the wake of a full-blown agenda, but in Hue's last year w/the Bengals, his team finished 7th in rushing attempts while the Steelers were 24th.
Maybe not. I get the impression that Hue's terminology was pretty complicated. I am hoping haley's is much simpler in that regard.
Haley is an Erhardt-Perkins guy. One of the hallmarks of that offense is their simple verbiage,especially for the QB, often times its just a 1 word playcall.
Maybe not. I get the impression that Hue's terminology was pretty complicated. I am hoping haley's is much simpler in that regard.
Haley is an Erhardt-Perkins guy. One of the hallmarks of that offense is their simple verbiage,especially for the QB, often times its just a 1 word playcall.
I am loving that we are switching terminology. That will speed up the play calling and make it less complicated on the QB.
“You are looking for highly-competitive guys with ability to weather the storms that are going to come up as a young quarterback in the league,” Haley said. “You are looking for physical and mental toughness. Obviously, you have to have an NFL-type arm. You have to have great feel and awareness and great leadership.
The run the ball quote is actually funny to me, because as soon as it's 3rd and 1 against a stacked defense, most of you will start complaining that our offense is too predicable and how come our QB couldn't audible out of it. lol.
There are plenty of Steelers fans who complain about Haley's notorious 'sweep/pitch' plays on short yardage situations.
I hope we have success regardless, but as someone else mentioned, after a while, everyone sounds the same. Just move the ball and score touchdowns to help win games.
I get that facts aren't appreciated in the wake of a full-blown agenda, but in Hue's last year w/the Bengals, his team finished 7th in rushing attempts while the Steelers were 24th.
So...he KNOWS that running the ball is essential, yet he chose NOT to do so once he had no one looking over his shoulder?
Perhaps there are other reasons as to why we didn't run the ball as much? Perhaps he isn't as ignorant as some of you claim?
This isn't for you because you are not interested in playing fair, but for those who want to at least consider possible reasons, I have a few:
1. Teams stacked the box to stop the run and make Kizer beat them.
2. Kizer struggled w/decision making and going through his progressions quickly and the thinking might have been to avoid 3rd and long situations.
3. The team was often playing from behind in almost every game. This would lead to more passing attempts and fewer running plays.
4. The team never played w/the lead in the 4th quarter and had a chance to run the ball to protect the lead. Those rushing totals inflate the attempts for other teams.
I think Hue could have perhaps ran it more. I am not exonerating him. However, I don't think that is why we lost games. I also think it is absurd to suggest that he was too stupid or bullheaded to run the ball. I further believe that he would have run the ball more if the situation dictated it, just like he did in Cinci.
“You are looking for highly-competitive guys with ability to weather the storms that are going to come up as a young quarterback in the league,” Haley said. “You are looking for physical and mental toughness. Obviously, you have to have an NFL-type arm. You have to have great feel and awareness and great leadership.
Welcome to Cleveland, Mr. Darnold.
I'm feeling Darnold, too. He's a great fit for Todd Haley.
I don't think the problem with Hue is the offense or his ability to teach fundamentals. I think the "real" issue boils down to the process of installing the offense. It seems to me like he was almost teaching the calculus-level version of his offense before the players knew the algebra-level version. He proverbially threw Kizer in the deep end. The method can work, but in this instance it may have more freaked the kid out.
I'm curious to see Haley's approach and how much of the play book will change. I'm hopeful Kizer will have caught up after "skipping a grade".
Edit: I also think Kizer is pretty similar to Big Ben in a lot of ways, perhaps more so than the guys in this class. There were rumors of PIT's interest in Kizer last draft-I wonder how much of that was Haley.
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You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I haven't watched a lot of Steeler's games, but what I have seen, when they saw something that worked, they rode that horse as far as they could until the opposing defense stopped it. And if/when it finally was, they always had something else to go to. Think Antonio Brown against us Week 1... By and large we were negating a lot of what they were doing but when they saw Brown have some success, they kept feeding him the ball. They didn't over think it, they didn't try to be overly smart and try other things "just to keep the defense from knowing what they were gong to do next".
That's probably my biggest frustration over the last two seasons. Hue wanted to call a game plan akin to playing a chess match, when sometimes what we needed was something as simple as the Kool-aid man busting through the wall.
I have a feeling this will be one of the more interesting offenses to watch in a long time.
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-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
Perhaps there are other reasons as to why we didn't run the ball as much? Perhaps he isn't as ignorant as some of you claim?
This isn't for you because you are not interested in playing fair, but for those who want to at least consider possible reasons, I have a few:
1. Teams stacked the box to stop the run and make Kizer beat them.
2. Kizer struggled w/decision making and going through his progressions quickly and the thinking might have been to avoid 3rd and long situations.
3. The team was often playing from behind in almost every game. This would lead to more passing attempts and fewer running plays.
4. The team never played w/the lead in the 4th quarter and had a chance to run the ball to protect the lead. Those rushing totals inflate the attempts for other teams.
I think Hue could have perhaps ran it more. I am not exonerating him. However, I don't think that is why we lost games. I also think it is absurd to suggest that he was too stupid or bullheaded to run the ball. I further believe that he would have run the ball more if the situation dictated it, just like he did in Cinci.
Who said Hue was ignorant? Wanna talk about "playing fair" there Vers?
Hue made all those great decisions (aka excuses in this case) to NOT run the ball and that great decision-making led his team to a winless season anyway.
Teams stack the box against other teams as well...it didn't just happen against us.
Kizer struggled with decision making and going through progressions...so Hue had him throw it MORE.
We had plenty of games where there was plenty of time to try and establish a running game...and Hue didn't even try.
I don't think Hue is stupid. I DO think he is as bull-headed as they come. As a matter of fact, I think he coached with a thought-process that he had the horses he needed to run "his" offense...when he clearly did not. If he knew he did NOT have the necessary horses to run his offense...then why did he continually to coach as if he did?
I'm a firm Hue supporter but he made plenty of boneheaded decisions and not running the ball enough was definately one of them.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I was watching A Football Life on Larry Fitzgerald last night and Todd Haley was talking about motivating him. When Haley joined the team, Fitz was already a pretty good receiver but maybe not a great one. Haley told him that he was a one-trick pony and that he needed to be more like Anquan Boldin, that he needed to get more yards after the catch because when he caught the ball he just fell down. He said when Anquan caught the ball he turned into a raging bull. That's what it might be said that Fitz became great. Of course all the credit didn't go to Haley, he had his own motivations and good coaching and credited Kurt Warner as well but I think we're going to find that Todd Haley will turn out to be one of our best off season acquisitions (maybe ever) and we will likely see increased production from all of our offensive players. Watching that got me whipped up.
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