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BREAKING: Florida school shooting suspect in custody

by Ellen Killoran
February 14, 2018

Authorities have reportedly apprehended the suspect in a mass shooting incident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Fox 10 News reports that police have a male suspect believed to be the gunman responsible for the deadly shooting in custody. He has not been identified but earlier reports indicate he was a student at the high school.

According to the latest report, the suspect was not on school grounds when he was apprehended, but it is not known where he was. The suspect had reported to school earlier this morning.

At least one person has been killed in the shooting, and dozens more are believed to be injured.

This is a developing story. CrimeOnline will provide updates when more information becomes available.

[Feature image: Associated Press]

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/02/14/breaking-florida-school-shooting-suspect-in-custody/

Prayers

Another one already?

Smh.

Multiple deaths in South Florida high school shooting

Linda Trischitta, Lisa J. Huriash, Linda Trischitta and Aric ChokeyContact Reporters
Sun Sentinel
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Multiple deaths were reported Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, and authorities reported a suspect in custody.

Coral Springs Mayor Skip Campbell, whose city contracts fire service in Parkland, confirms there were "multiple fatalities."


The Broward Sheriff’s Office reported a suspect under arrest.

Students and teachers in the locked down school, located at 5901 Northwest Pine Island Rd., were told to remain barricaded inside until officers reach them.

Samuel Dykes, a freshman, was on the third floor of the school when he said he heard gunshots, and saw several bodies in a classroom.

SWAT told the class to keep their eyes forward as they exited the school, Dykes said.

At around dismissal time at 2:40 p.m., staff and students heard what sounded like gunfire and they enacted a “code red” lock down, according to the Broward School District.

A television news helicopter report showed several people on gurneys being placed into into fire rescue ambulances and groups of children walking across Northwest Pine Island Road. Television news cameras showed a young man with reddish hair wearing a red shirt who was surrounded by SWAT officers and put in handcuffs and being taken into custody.

Students were streaming down Pine Island Road at 3:30. Some of them crying, some were talking on cell phones.

Meghan Walton's mascara was running as she walked down Pine Island Road with her mother.Derval Walton. She was waiting in the car line to pick her 15 year old freshman daughter up when she got the ominous text from her: "Code Red"

"Kids were running out full of blood," Derval Walton said. "Kids were falling in the grass."

Hannah Siren, 14, was in math class on the third floor.

"The people next door to us must have not locked their door," she said, breaking into tears. "They all got shot"

How many?

"10 or ... 7"

President Trump tweeted: “My prayers and condolences to the families of the victims of the terrible Florida shooting. No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school.”

Deputy White House Press Secretary Lindsay Walters said, “We are monitoring the situation,” she said. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected.”

Gov. Rick Scott announced plans to come to Broward County immediately. He spoke on the phone with Broward Sheriff Scott Israel, Broward schools superintendent Robert Runcie and Florida Department of Law Enforcement Commissioner Rick Swearingen, according to the governor’s office.

There are 3,208 children in grades 9 — 12 enrolled at the school.

Parents at area schools — including Sawgrass Springs Middle School and Westglades Middle School — said they received texts that those campuses were locked down.

Jay Golden, of Parkland, has a daughter Rachel who was at the school when the first sign of problem came. Rachel, a senior, texted him that there was a Code Red, a shooting, and she didn’t know if it was real or a drill.

At 3 p.m. she still hadn’t been evacuated from the 900 building, but told her father she was safe with 40 other students and a teacher.

“She was crying, she’s scared,” he said. “She’s been texting back and forth. She’s OK at the moment.”

“I’m freaking out,” her father said. “This is crazy, this stuff shouldn’t be going on in these schools. People are crazy. I don’t know what goes on through these people’s minds these days, it’s a scary thing. It’s one of those things - you don’t want to put a metal protector and treat them like prisoners but they have to figure something out. You put your kids in school and it’s supposed to be a safe place and this stuff happens all the time.”

Anne Geggis contributed to this report.

It looks like the shooter was a 19yo former student.

smh

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html

At least 17 people were killed Wednesday in a high school shooting in Parkland, Florida, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.

The suspect, 19-year-old former student Nikolaus Cruz, is in custody, the sheriff said. The sheriff said he was expelled for unspecified disciplinary reasons. Police are investigating his digital profile, he said. So far, what they've found is "very, very disturbing," Israel said.
Law enforcement transport the suspect in Wednesday's school shooting.
Law enforcement transport the suspect in Wednesday's school shooting.
At least 17 people have been taken to area hospitals, said Dr. Evan Boyar of Broward Health.
Law enforcement responded to reports of a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shortly before 3 p.m. The shooting sent students and staff streaming out of the school in a panic.
The victims included students and adults, Israel said. Twelve were killed inside the building and two died outside, he said. One died in the street and two died at the hospital, the sheriff said.

Immediately after the shooting, aerial footage from CNN affiliate WSVN showed people lying on the ground outside the school, being treated for injuries and moved to ambulances.
Freshman Kayden Hanafi said he heard two gunshots and saw people running out of another building on campus. As he and his classmates went into lockdown in a classroom, many thought the noise might have been firecrackers.
"It's really a blessing to still be alive," he said.

Teacher: I hid 19 students in the closet 01:06
Nicole Baltzer, 18, said she was in trigonometry class about 10 minutes before the end of the school day when the fire alarm went off. As students evacuated, she heard six gunshots and everyone started running back inside the school, Baltzer told CNN's Sara Ganim.
"I heard so many gunshots, at least like six. They were very close," Baltzer said.
A police officer told her to close her eyes as she walked past a classroom with broken glass, telling her "there's nothing good to see in there," she said.
A freshman named Aidan posted a photo on social media from inside his math class while on lockdown. Since then, he has left the building.
The scene inside a classroom at the school.
The scene inside a classroom at the school.
"We have been liberated. God bless, America," Aidan tweeted after being evacuated from the building. "Love each other. You may never know when it may be the last day you meet someone."
There had been a fire drill at the school earlier in the day, leading some to believe at first that the afternoon incident was another drill, a student told CNN affiliate WSVN. "Everyone just started freaking out."
"But then word started going around that it was shots and not just, like, something else, everyone just started running towards the canal," the student said.
Anxious family members await news of their loved ones.
Anxious family members await news of their loved ones.
Parkland, with a population of 31,000 people in 2016, was named Florida's safest city last year, according to an analysis by the Washington-based National Council for Home Safety and Security, a home security industry trade association. The south Florida city had seven reported violent crimes and 186 property crimes the previous year, according to the analysis.
Stoneman Douglas High School had an enrollment of about 3,100 students in the 2015-16 year, according to the National Center for Education Statistics.
As news of the shooting spread, desperate parents gathered near the property searching for their children.
Lissette Rozenblat told CNN that her daughter safely evacuated the school and took shelter at a nearby Walmart.
"She was very nervous, she said that she could hear the person who was shot crying out for help, and was just a nervous wreck," Rozenblat said.
Agents from the Miami office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are responding to the scene, a spokesman said.

This keeps getting worse by the hour . Man, school is supposed to be a safe place or at least it used to be ...what in the absolute hell is wrong with humanity ?

so, where did this kid get the weapons and ammo from?

What was he doing inside the school? The high school here has the doors locked....you have to check in at the front office to get into the school. Either he went in as school was letting out or someone let him in?

There have already been 18 school shootings in the US this year: Everytown

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/already-18-school-shootings-us-220303624--abc-news-topstories.html

so, quick math based on the numbers.

18 shootings in 2 months. 9 per month average.

we're on pace to have 108 school shootings by the end of december.

i wonder how many school shootings countries in Europe average a year?

hell, i wonder how many school shootings countries in Africa average a year.

At some point, America might wise-up and stop wasting time arguing the pros and cons of gun control and address the real problems w/schools and troubled youths.

We need policies in place to identify these students and we need a better way to address their issues. The present policies are only creating more killers.

I get that most people don't want to hear that, but I believe it is imperative that we change how we actually deal w/troubled youths.

I think the crap on TV on a daily basis plays a role.

When you're sitting in your living room and every single day you can watch people getting shot.

Your brain can think this is how things are. Especially if you're a kid.

Add the fact that there's a big disconnect between pointing and firing a gun and injuring/killing someone.

Anyone can shoot some one else from afar without hardly moving a muscle.

When you're holding a gun pointed at someone, it's not obvious that with a slight finger twitch you can send a hunk of red hot lead piercing through someone at 750 mph.

One other thing.

When I was growing up there were some neighborhood bullies who were merciless.

If I had access to a gun, who knows, I might have gotten it some day after getting beat-up and teach those bullies a lesson.

....let’s treat the symptom not the cause......that works so well in modern medicine.

From the link this was an epic fail...

Expelled for threats....kids predicting he would shoot up school...assaulting classmate...pics of animals he gruesomely killed on social media...

I hate this quote but damn it.....see something say something.

This was a bad dude that shoukd have never been on the streets...

This animal needs euthanized by midnight Friday.

Where was this kid's parents?

I read where his mother died last year.

Don’t care...doesn’t justify anything.

Eve was asking where his parents are at!

It matters because parenting is a huge issue in this country. Parents are not active in their kids lives...for very many kids.

People will try to make this a gun problem, when its even more a parenting problem.

Best comment i have seen so far as to a possible solution.

THis i will agree and disagree with. Yes parents have a direct role on their children, however crazy is crazy and the parents are not the issue.

I have a two cousins, grew up in the same house, same parents, same love same everything. One cousin is a CEO and founder of a company, and a great person to be with. WIll give you the shirt off his back. The other cousin - his brother - in and out of jail his whole life. Would constantly get in fights, attack people, etc.

Crazy is crazy.

J/C

Just a thought, but maybe instead of putting these shootings on 24.7 news cycles etc and sensationalizing them all the time, like we have since Columbine, maybe kids will not think its "cool" or will make them famous, etc. Take away an incentive for them to do this.

I disagree.

Crazy may be crazy, but as a parent it is your job to recognize it and get your kid some help.

If you cannot do something as basic as keeping tabs on your kids lives and help them when they need it, then you should not be a parent.

In this instance...

Who allows:

A teenager with violent tendencies to own an ar-15?
To kill animals and post pics of it on the internet?
To not monitor their social media?
To not get them help when they get expelled from school?

As a parent how do you ignore all those things?

Sure, this kid is screwed up, but seems the parents never cared enough to take care of their own child.

Well,

1. what if they never seen the teenager show any type of violent behavior? We are all different people at work, at home, at school, etc. Everytime something like this happens you hear "i cant believe he would ever do something like this" or etc.

2. Was he posting it on his actual page, or was it on a secondary page they would not be be able to see?

3. This "kid" was 19, the parents would have no right to "monitor" his social media if he had them blocked, what coudld they do?

4. again, see #1. It is very easy to blame parents and play armchair Qb, but we do not know the situation, we do not know the household, we do not know the circumstances etc to start laminating them. This was an ADULT 19 year old. At what point does he not be held responsible for himself?

How do you know the parents didnt try to get him in the past? as a 19 year old - they would have no control of him legally .

Extremely sobering numbers there Swish.

Unfortunately with so many politicians being bank rolled by the NRA you ain't gonna see much more action except the obligatory "thoughts and prayers".

At some point, firmer action needs to be taken. The amount of spree killings Stateside is an outrage. Already in this thread, and in any one of the scores of threads we've had here over the years when these events occur we point the finger at TV, the parents, Video Games, notoriety due to the publicizing of the event.....all the other damn same things that every country also has without the vast amount of frequency and devastation that you have in the US.....maybe, all that stuff is a bit of a red herring. Whilst aspects of those "reasons" may be seen as a contributing factor, i don't think they are the root cause.

Its a complicated issue with no one silver bullet, but support for folks with mental health illnesses and not permitting them to have automatic weapons is probably a good a starting point as any.

Its all moot until the stranglehold that the NRA has on your politicians in the halls of power is broken anyways.....so until then, i guess i'll see you all in the next thread in a couple of weeks.

Remember guys - "Thoughts and Prayers"

Its worked so well thus far.

So....you're telling me it was somehow unknown to the parents that this kid got EXPELLED for VIOLENCE?

And they are incapable of doing a simple google search to find their kids social media? Because apparently it is easily searchable and not hidden if the news media can find it.

Sure sure, maybe you think its cool to stick your head in the sand if you are a parent.

But the rest of us know better.

My bad....I took the post as a type of excuse....ie poor child’s mother recently died.

excuse me? sorry that i pointed out some facts and you are getting upset that you made a blanket statement without knowing really any facts yet. Your ignorance on this matter (as well as mine) needs to be taken into consideration of this topic. We do not know if the parents tried to help and he refused. You can point fingers all you want, but your have no information, you do not know these people or their lifestyle or parenting tactics, and honestly it is rather abhorrent to pass judgement on them without knowing any of those facts.

The only facts being ignored are the ones I posted, which you cannot refute.

I refuted yours.

You have nothing.

You have a nothing burger.

I can totally break your post down for you if you want, but you may not be able to see it with all that sand surrounding your head.

My life....I could be described as successful and a functional member of society..same could be said for youngest brother....however.....middle brother???? I can’t even begin....Mom and dad spent thousands upon thousands on therapy and help with him starting at age 8...still doing the same at age 42....the observed and knew and sought help....from a young age...dad cries quit often over the situation...sometimes crazy is crazy

What kind of crazy ? Violent crazy ? As a teenager ? If he was a violent teen, did he get commited ? Sent to juvie? Sent to some kind of violence rehab program ? Put on meds to curb his violence ?

Because if your brother isn't a violent criminal, it isn't really the same.

Trying to compare a violent criminal to someone who needs some therapy is apples to oranges.

Eve, post facts then like you said you did.

What did the parents do/not do?

Do you know he didnt get any help?
Is the kid 19 years old? an adult?

Your posts implied the parents did nothing...

This crap DIDNOT happen like this in the early 90s 80s 70s and 60s....what changed....the advent of internet...social media...SSRIs...rampant illicit drug use of powerful drugs...participation trophies....parents that have had hands cuffed to be parents....a divided country that absolutely hates each other (at least in the security of their online 2nd life...


But despite all of that these are still statistically isolated incidents....millions of kids navigate these moors and turn out ok..

Sometimes crazy is just crazy....evil does exist...don’t drive yourself crazy trying to rationalize it

Here are your facts. Try to refute them.

And your argument that a parent cannot monitor a 19 year olds social media is non existent. Why can they not? Are their fingers broken and they can't use google? If they see something on there that needs to be reported to the police can they not do that?

And also it is not like this kid suddenly turned violent at age 19.

Per this:
http://time.com/5159134/who-is-the-florida-shooter-parkland-nicolas-cruz/

the parents have in the past called the police to "scare" their kids into behaving better.

So this was a known problem to the parents, and YET they FAILED to take any corrective action to get this kid some kind of meaningful help.

We do.

It’s the same old song and dance my friend. It’s not against the law, so we look the other way, then shake our head in disgust when it happens again.

Only now their are too many coincidences to list.

A gutless society are we.

Pretty sure mental illness existed before the millennials were born.

However, in my opinion, the enabling factor in this is social media. Because very many teens who feel left out of society turn to the internet and try to fit into those cliques. And a lot of those cliques are very bad influences.

You made the ASSumption the parents did nothing, they called the police so that proved they tried to do something, no?

We do not know what else the may or may have not done. You dont, i dont. To say and point a finger at these parents is disgusting at this point.

This was not a child. You still have not conceded that.

Clearly you do not deal with teenagers enough to even know what a child is. If you somehow think a 19 year old is somehow a mature rational adult, even with a sane 19 year old, then sorry.

Go find some teenagers to hang around.

Even go look up medical studies about it. Males do not mentally mature until much later in life.

The only thing you can cling to is that that kid was a "legal adult", not really a mental one.

If you think that calling the police to "scare" a child is an acceptable form of rehab/mental help for a violently disturbed child then I don't know what to say to you. Other than don't have kids.