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DC, just wanted to post that I really enjoyed your insight. These conversations online are typically not worth much because we all talk past each other, but I agree with your take.

This sounds a bit like autism spectrum disorder: non-communicative, social dysfunction, 1,000-yard stare, cognitive challenges.

It's possible for the school to have him tested. Depending on his diagnosis, there are services and specialists who can help him.

He may be a "problem in development," but he may also be a harmless innocent in need of specialized help.

just a friendly fyi,
Clem

Suspected school shooter trained with white nationalist militia

https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/white-nationalist-militia-claims-florida-shooting-suspect-as-member/


suspected school shooter Nikolas Cruz trained as a member of a white nationalist militia, according to the group’s leader.

Republic of Florida leader Jordan Jereb told the Anti Defamation League that the 19-year-old — who slaughtered 17 people at his former high school Wednesday — had participated in one or more training drills with his group, and had carpooled with other members to Tallahassee for the exercises.

Jereb says the group’s goal is to make Florida a white ethno-state. He spoke with the ADL after apparent ROF members mentioned Cruz’s membership on the web forum 4chan.

He claims he didn’t know Cruz personally and the massacre — whose victims were mostly white — was not done at the behest of the ROF.

Jereb says Cruz was having “trouble with a girl” and may have mounted the Valentine’s Day assault for that reason.

Another student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School said Cruz had been expelled from the school after feuding with his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend.

Jereb was arrested in 2016 after threatening one of Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s staffers.

Thanks Clem. We also think it's because his mother was strung out the entire pregnancy so we're told.

He draws a lot and it's always dark images. The only time I've seen him have a good time was when we took him to a paintball course. First time I seen him laugh and smile, still wouldn't say much. All the adults were celebrating a break thru but I jokingly said all we did was teach him how to shoot at people.

Our City Manager and a detective are in our Troop so they're aware of the concerns but until he does something our hands are tied.

He's the prototypical sit by yourself during lunch at school. being picked on etc...

Good luck with this young man.

I feel for kids like this. I had some bullying (like lots of kids), but I also had a small circle of friends and a loving, supportive family. Made all the difference in my life.

I was hoping that the silence of school shootings would stay away longer, but unfortunately it hasn't. Sad. Condolences to all involved.

AR-15 back in the headlines again.

A known white supremacists grouped trained this troubled teenager how to use an AR-15.

That's all I need to know. Allowing known domestic terror groups like this and the KKK to operate freely in the USA is the big crime.

I appreciate it Clem...it's a community effort and really no right answers but we're not giving up.

It's what disgusts me the most about my race. We seem to be the mass murderers for some damn reason. Maybe there is an identifiable chromosome in the DNA of white people...IDK but I would love to line up all these White Supremacists so I could be the last White mass murderer.

domestic terrorism.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to bring race into it.

Not long.

Stop.

It’s not your ethnicity. It’s the far right ideology that’s the problem. Right extremists is a big deal in this country, but is often never talked about.

Sure, it’s mainly white guys who are part of far right extremist groups, but you can’t claim it’s ethnicity when you don’t see this anywhere else where white people live, like Europe and such (modern times).

The solution lies in understanding far right ideology.

Stop feeding into the “certain ethnicities are more prone to...” rhetoric. It’s why I blast guys like Haus for implying that blacks are somehow inherently violent compared to others.

So you don’t think him being part of a white militia had anything to do with it then?

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida

Student Population...

59.2% White
19.7% Hispanic
11.5% African American

https://www.schooldigger.com/go/FL/schools/0018002721/school.aspx

Thanks Swish but I can't ignore (like you didn't) that it's WHITE people, maybe only in America but it is US that commit these crimes. Far right is WHITE....there is a problem.

I dunno what he point of posting the school demographics was.

Dude was in a white militia and targeted his own school.

It’s no different than the sicko Arabs who go and bomb their own people.

People tend to stick to areas they are familiar with.

I don't know.

I know he went to 1 meeting, as far as I can tell.

I know the ROF is saying he was in attendance at at least 1 meeting.

I know yesterday he was a hispanic, and today he is a white hispanic. (actually, I DON'T know that. It's just what I've heard on the radio, in between jobs).

And, I also don't know the race of people he shot.

Aren't white nationalists anti "minorities"? Or do I have that wrong? I don't follow any white nationalist sites.

Mass Murder By Race...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

I don’t get it.

Are you saying that white people are inherently more prone to mass shootings?

I don’t sit here and let y’all trash minorities, and I won’t sit here and let y’all trash yourselves, either.

We have to identify what is leading people down these ideological paths.

Hey 40, you just made me agree with Swish... I stand corrected.

You seem to not pay attention to a lot of things, so just follow along with 40, daytna and my convo so you can learn something.

Having the Facts makes thought clearer.

So? The shooter was trained by a white supremacists hate group. Why does that effect people so negatively when they hear those facts? Mmmm?

Grandmother turns in teen after finding mass shooting plot one day before Florida massacre

https://www.yahoo.com/news/grandmother-turns-teen-finding-mass-152359140.html

I wonder if Trump will do something. When a terrorist attacks us, he bans travel from certain countries. When an illegal kills someone, he wants to put up a border. When an immigrant kills someone he wants to get rid of chain migration. I wonder what action he'll propose.

How about we start putting the parents in jail along with their kid. Maybe they'll start paying attention like the grandmother Swish posted.

He was also a member of Jr. ROTC at one point.

Maybe that is a first step, enforce the existing laws, enforce them hard, make the punishments more severe, make an example of some people... I don't know.

As for new laws, I am willing to admit I'm not up on the nuance of gun laws and where the loopholes are and which laws could/should be changed. I'm willing to participate in the conversation, I'm just not the best person to lead it.

Nobody "brought" race into it. The kid allegedly trained with a group whose stated goal is to make Florida a white ethno-state. HE brought race into it.

Why did he then shoot all white kids? I have no idea. I mean if his goal is a white ethno-state.. Maybe he wanted to start a race war, wasn't that the goal of the kid in Charleston?

This country needs to have a long and intense conversation about the "liberties" of these white domestic terrorist hate groups.

Part of the problem.

Who cares what color the shooter, or the victims were? Fact... a 19 year old went nuts and shot kids. I could care less what color he was, or the kids he shot were. It doesn't matter. What matters are that people are dead, and we have no clue why, other than this kids parents, and grandparents failed.

Okay.

From what I have read, he attended 1 meeting of ROF. He wasn't a member. From what I have read, that is.

He was also in Jr. ROTC when he was a freshman at the school.

Yeah, race WAS brought into it when perfect made a point to list ROF. A white nationalist group apparently. (I've never heard of it until today, truthfully) And the leader of that group was seemingly all too proud to state he, the shooter, had attended a meeting.

How about we all just agree the kid had major issues? He did what used to be thought to be the unthinkable.

I'm all for having a conversation about white domestic terrorist hate groups.

Let's start one. The KKK would be a good place to start, no?

It does matter. It matters if it is part of the motivation. It matters if it is part of the hate that was allowed to fester and build inside him. I'm glad you see the shooter as a shooter and the victims as victims and not a white shooter or white victims or black victims or whatever. That's commendable....

But if race is a contributing factor, then if we are to reduce or eliminate these, then it has to be a part of the conversation.

Charleston, Pulse Nightclub, Broward County Florida, San Bernardino.. and others have had race, religion, social issues, etc as a part of the motive... It has to be considered and looked at.

here's a good read on why the DoJ is hesitant on calling guys domestic terrorist:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/whi...4b003133ecceb74

which, i will be honest, is something i never thought about until i decided to read up on it today.

it ties into what CHS said, even though it was more of a jab at trump:

you can't travel ban this. you can't put up a wall to prevent it. you can't slow down immigration to stop this.

This is once again a case of homegrown terrorism that won't be called that, because of people's views and how the laws are written.

I got daytna to understand that the acts themselves isn't because of an inherent will to kill based on race.

but the REACTION? the reaction from the people certainly is.

once again, look at how quick people were to call this a mental health problem when the shooter is a white/whitish dude.

are black, latinos, and middle easterns given the same excuses when/if they commit similar acts, even though are also american citizens?

we all know the answer to that, and it's no.

this would've immediately been looked at as a terrorist act, but when a white person does this, it's viewed as mental health issues.

also, by calling this a mental health issue, it enforces a lot of mine and others beliefs that our government doesn't take domestic terrorism as seriously as they should.

because a lot cases of mass murders/domestic terrorism happens due to far right/right extremist views and ideologies, which surprise surprise, this kid was part of a white militia in Florida that wanted it to be an ethno state.

so when i look at comments throughout social media, and this board, this is once again another issue that people will forget about in a week, because nobody wants to do anything about it.

because far right/right extremist groups like white militia's are protected under the constitution. thats a fact.

we can't do anything about this before it actually happens. people talk about gun control, but look at how this kid operated. he would've easily shot a guard if one is present, because the reality is that even guards at school are complacent due to the fact that most expect nothing to happen.

so as i told 40 and daytna, we need to figure out how these kids/young adults are being lured into believing in far right ideologies.

but we also need to stop giving out the mental health excuse everytime little timmy decides to shoot up a school.

this dude sought out a white militia organization. he consciously bought a rifle, ammo, and mags, he made multiple social media post in support of these sorts of things.

sure doesn't sound like mental health to me. sounds like somebody who knew exactly what he was doing.

right , why would they mention that he attended a meeting of a hate group?

Youre joking, right?

The same way kids are being lured into Islamic (and other) extremist groups.. they are outcasts, they are on the fringe, they are no accepted, they have internal/mental issues, they have been through traumatic experiences... they hate it that they can't "fit in"... they go online looking for answers, looking for something, looking for any kind of support to tell them they are OK... they bump into one of these groups on-line, the group claims to understand and accept them.. the group provides them an enemy to blame their problems on.. and either passively or actively, the group tells them they should do something about it... and in this case, the group trains them to do it (then claims this wasn't done at their behest)...

This group took a troubled teen, told him minorities are the problem, trained him to use a AR, then holds their hands up when something like this happens and says, NOT our fault, we didn't tell him to do this.

what's making them outcast though?

the rabbit holes goes way deeper than that.

also, we need to figure out how to prevent this. there's got to be some sort of prevention methods.

while i'm not totally against some sort of gun control, gun control doesn't change the hearts of men.

No. I'm not joking.

I get mentioning it. I get it.

But some are quick to point out "that must be the reason" he did what he did. He attended 1 meeting - as far as I can tell.

He also was in ROTC a few years back.

Look, I'm not in ANY way excusing what the guy did. AT ALL.

I do not belong to, nor do I endorse ANY hate groups.

The kid had issues, obviously. I mean, way more than obviously.

Read about him. He was a threat way before any timeline put him at a ROF meeting. He was bullied, and he bullied.

I simply don't see this as a race crime as some are attempting to paint it.

I see it as a very unfortunate event. More than unfortunate, actually, but I know some on here will parse my words and attempt to make me look bad, or uncaring, or whatever.

I read that 1 kid used Kevlar sheeting to protect others. Kevlar, than was used in ROTC training at the school when they were training with guns.

I'm sorry. Paint me as you will. You, and others, will regardless.

This is exactly what happens.

Now, here's something that, if true, should lead to charges for this Jereb guy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-supremacist-group-says-florida-181802597.html

And I'd be all for it.

But, you know, I'm arch and all.

You are reading into a lot of things that were never even said . But to say why even mention it is kind of silly. If he had attended an AL Qaeda meeting , would that be worth mentioning? Of course it would be .

Yes it was ony one meeting(that we know of ) but it gives insight into the mentality of the murderer. If he actually ,physically attended one meeting. How much other time did he spend researching, reading about it . How much time did he spend chatting with members?