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Think you are over using the description of a "Project".

A Project is more an Olineman that you stash on the Practice Squad or deep on your Depth Chart.

What many, if not ALL even Top 10 QB'S lack is NFL Experience and Time to Adjust to the Speed of the Game.

The BEST, once adjusted, increase their Completion %, YPA and TD/Int Ratios. It's a neat chart showing the escalation.

Experience, Adjusting to the Speed of the Game and getting used to complicated NFL Defenses is what it's about.

It's just a matter of WHEN they are deemed READY to start.

Rosen and Darnold will be ready sooner than later.

And Roethlisberger benefitted from a Top Running Game and a Top Defense. See how that works, HUE!

Haley may just be PERFECT for a Rosen or Darnold to start REALLY SOON, if not Game One.

Give him Landry and a RB and fix the Secondary. Cut the Rook loose.

I think there were a lot of guys who were successful. I suppose you could call every player at every position a project when he is a rookie, but I think most people know what the term is referring to.

A person can use stats and slanted language to convince people of anything.

I think your description of a project is too narrow. We're obviously not going to put the #1 overall pick on the taxi squad to develop. Like you say, however, they all need development time - that makes them projects, in my mind.

Think about the definition.

Project - An individual or collaborative enterprise that is carefully planned to achieve a particular aim.

That's fluid. A project in the first round is different to a late or undrafted rookie.

Jared Goff, for example, was treated as a project in spite of being the first overall pick. A year later he's a pro-bowler who put up production reminiscent of an elite quarterback. Individual and collaborative, carefully planned to achieve a particular aim. I'd say it worked well.

It shouldn't be taken as an insult. I agree with you that Rosen and Darnold (My top quarterbacks, respectively) could start immediately and, theoretically, should develop quickly. I also won't lose my mind if either struggles as a rookie or if they're given the year to develop - because for all I pointed out in that list about those quarterbacks struggling or not playing at all, all of them came good and had success as franchise quarterbacks.

I don't care how we get there, as long as we carefully plan the best route to get us there. Same mentality I have with Kizer - I'm not going to write a rookie off, and I don't think the Browns will either - especially if we're investing the #1 pick.

I would think it's not a matter of you are a project or you're not. I would also contend that almost every draft pick is a project but there are varying degrees. Some need more work than others.

Like Paxton Lynch was more of a project than Carson Wentz. Lauletta or White are more of project than Rosen. Darnold is more of a probe ft than Rosen or Mayfield. But I would still call Rosen, Wentz, and Mayfield as projects to some degree.

Vontae Davis is very good when healthy and when his head is screwed on straight. Cornerback is one of our weaker positions. I'd gladly take him.

We certainly could use an upgrade at the corner position.......

Him, Kyle Fuller and Aqib Talib are all on my offseason dream list. Would love to have one of them.

If Davis is healthy he's good ... but he's also 30 years old ... maybe a 2 year deal

Kick the tires on him, our secondary was bad so it wouldn't hurt.

I have a feeling the pendulum is about to swing all the way the other way; we're going to go from the youngest team to one of the oldest, lol

I just have this fear that the new guys will be like Mangini and bring in every aged name they recognize.

RG3?..jk..i just heard that rg3 turned down cardinals this last year...he is his worst enemy...

remember all spring and summer it was, throw out of bounds into bleachers, slide to protect yourself...

then the first game he ran and...done

too bad you cant teach a `dog` new tricks

I don't believe that will be the case.

However, this team desperately needs veteran leadership and production.

I agree. It's not going to be like George Allen in charge.

We are going to bring in 3-4 vets at key positions to help balance things out and play for a few years while the young guys get ready to play NFL football.

that's the key .. get a FEW vets at needed positions, and then draft behind them ... Get a vet Safety/CB/WR (that we can TRUST) .. then draft 1-2 guys behind them

So your sayin I got a chance then

Lol. Those were the days.

You sir, have made my morning. Ole' Barton and Bowens memories.

After these fade away, I'll draw up some memories of Ted Washington and Willie McGinest haha!

That favors us AND GM. Y'see, after the statute of limitations run out, it is pretty much just wide open. Speed the day!

I would buy a GM jersey for the right price. Hot seller, I bet! LOL

Darnold needs work. Sidestep about the starting QB competition. Sign your bridge; sit your #1 draft and let your new OC call some games.

Let these people do their jobs first. Keep Hue's mitts off for a bit. Trust ME on this one.

I don't think I have ever seen a linebacker that was slower than Eric Barton.

Good advice Bard. Seems to me we should have done something similar with DK.

JMHO, but I don't think Vontae Davis is much better than McCourty, Taylor, or Boddy.

Cleveland Browns Free Agent Review: OL Marcus Martin

Should the Browns re-sign one of their young, versatile linemen as insurance?

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/2/17/17023876/cleveland-browns-free-agent-review-ol-marcus-martin

Our look at the Browns’ unrestricted free agents continues with OL Marcus Martin.

How and When He Joined the Browns: The Browns claimed Martin off waivers from the 49ers on the first day of free agency in 2017. He had originally been a third-round pick in 2014 by San Francisco, and was the center at USC when Cody Kessler was there.

Productivity Level Last Season: Last season, the Browns had both of their starting guards and center play every snap of the season. Considering those were the positions Martin was most likely to play, it’s no surprise that he didn’t have a single snap all year. Cleveland also had Austin Reiter on the roster all season, meaning Martin was viewed as more of a guard.

Why Keeping Him Could Make Sense: Just because Martin didn’t play last season doesn’t mean he wasn’t viewed as dependable. He’s had a year in the system alongside Spencer Drango, and if the team trusts him as depth at guard, it might be worth bringing him back another season.

What the Browns Should Do: Martin was coming off of his rookie contract, but he didn’t get to prove himself last year to other teams after a disappointing tenure in San Francisco. Cleveland could offer him a two-year deal to be a backup, with little guaranteed money -- something like 2 years, $1.8 million.

Just an aside, 1.8 million over 2 years would set me up for life.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/18/report-texans-will-release-brian-cushing/

Not saying we should get him, but Texans going to save cap route with Cushing and releasing him.

I liked the guy coming out of college, but man he can not stay healthy. He has missed 40 games in his 9 year career.

Wasn’t he suspended this year? PEDs I believe. I don’t think he was injured.

No truer words were ever said!

I agree...he's not the guy he used to be in his balling days at Miami...He's on the decline and I will agree he seems to be somewhere between Taylor and McCourty

I think Vontae Davis was pretty average with Miami. His best years came with the Colts. I'd sign him to a contract similar to what Jason McCourty got (McCourty was a great signing).

Cushing released ... he's a PED head and older now. Tough for me to get happy about my team signing him

Liked him coming out of college but he just doesn't fit this team at this time. I say pass.

Agreed. I think we're largely set with Kirksey, Schobert and Collins.

Speaking of Kirksey, have ya'll seen some of the work outs he's posted on Twitter? I think the guy is pissed and tired of feeling like he's overlooked. He'd never say it out loud, but I think it cut deep that Schobert got to the Pro-Bowl before him.

I'm excited to see the future of our linebackers. A big issue last year was we couldn't get Ogbah and Garrett on the field at the same time, and our secondary was underwhelming. I'd hope both issues will improve going forward.

I'd avoid Cushing - I like our backers.

J/C

Terrelle Pryor posted on Instagram yesterday that he's excited to see where he lands in March, which seemingly suggests he knows he won't be with Washington.

Pryor did so in a post in which he was wearing a Browns jersey. Also a reminder that Pryor posted on Duke Johnson's January 1st Instagram picture, "Good year. Hopefully I'll be witcha next year."

I still think he's coming home in free agency.

He's going back to Oakland?

I thought that too .. but you beat me to the post ..

i'd take pryor on a show-me contract .. he's better than our 3/4 WR options