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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/mueller-russia-indictments-election-interference/index.html

A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment Friday against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of violating US laws to interfere with US elections and political processes.

The indictment charges all of the defendants with conspiracy to defraud the United States, three defendants with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft.

Evidence? No hoax? No Witch Hunt?

but does this link to the WH?

conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud.

wonder how many people money was being wired to.

and who.

Don't know yet, but the information came from somewhere or these charges would never have been brought. Much harder to indict foreign nationals.

Just speculation but this could be tied to Gates flipping. The timing makes me think that.

we will see soon enough.

OCD dropped the article about Gates working with mueller to get a plea deal. they just had a "queen for a day" interview, which in legal terms means Gates was allowed to spill the beans on everything and not get prosecuted for it.

combine that with Schiff saying they have evidence of collusion and obstruction.

combine that with the fact that Bannon gave the special counsel over 20 hours of testimony. he answered every question they asked.

i dunno bro.

we known since 2016 that the russians tried to interfere with the election. we know they attempted to tamper with voting machines. we know who their prefered candidate was (Trump).

so this investigation is determining how far up the food chain this goes, who's involved, and did Trump obstruct justice by trying to fire people investigating him.

before this, we had 27 charges, 4 indictments, and 2 guilty pleas, which all 4 of those indictments were american citizens.

now we have 13 more indictments, all russian nationals.

Mueller ain't done yet. Mueller isn't going away, either.

Well I guess this settles the "Is the Russian meddling real?"... Information warfare.

Nahhhh - that was settled a long long time ago by everyone in the world that Wasn't called Trump and maybe a few of his most clueless stooges.

Stooges, lol, maybe a fair description.

Just heard on CNN that they posed as americans and organized rallies. They even had an account call "Ten.GOP" which caused people to think they were communicating with the official Tennessee GOP. omg smh

I don't have facts and I can't give you a resource to go read - but I am sure there was Russian activity doing the same thing but disguised as left/Dem activists. There was probably overwhelming activity 'for' trump - but the goal of the Russians was and is to create chaos/uncertainty and to undermine our (and the rest of the World's) democracies. Putin is a very dangerous person and threat to the world... too bad POTUS thinks he's a fine individual who should be respected and admired.

j/c

After the bipartisan bill almost unanimously voted for by congress to impose further sanctions on Russia, Trump has still refused to do so. This has gotten beyond sickening.

The indictment states; NO American was involved...guess who that includes? Like I've been saying, collusion my ASS!

Lol.

Hang on ... before we get to collusion - we need to accept it was the Ruskies who were behind a massive attempt to influence and undermine the election. Have we taken that step yet? Has Trump accepted the whole world and his brother knows it was Putin. Once we have that established we can take the next step.

Yet Mr. Twitter and his minions ignore those issues and has done nothing to help prevent it from continuing. Sad.

Everyone knows the Russians meddle, hell we meddle. This WAS about collusion.

BTW this indictment isn't worth the paper it's written on. Do you really think Putin will extradite his cronies?

The Ruskies organized rallies in New York FOR and AGAINST Trump on the same day.

Why not ? one of his cronies is the President here

"Russia, if your listening"

No. They said that no american has been named or charged, the indictment contains no allegations against any american, and that the russians used americans unwittingly. Big difference. Truth is in the details.

Deputy AG Rosenstein: ‘No Allegation in This Indictment That Any American Had Any Knowledge’
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by Pam Key

16 Feb 2018


Friday at a press conference to announce 13 indictments against Russian nationals and three Russian entities for interference with “U.S. elections and political processes,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said there was “no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.”

Rosenstein said, “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge. The nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear they were ordinary American political activists even going so far to base their activities on a private network here in the United States. If anyone traced it back, they appeared to be Americans.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/02/1...ican-knowledge/

Bill Clintons investigation was about Whitewater, but I didn't hear you complaining when it evolved into Monica Lewinsky.

A special prosecutor follows investigations to where they lead.

Well, when you've spent so much time, and money, on an investigation that SOME believed was a sure thing, you have to come up with SOMETHING.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/russia-investigation-latest/index.html

Easiest thing would be to...I don't know......indict some foreigners? I mean, ya gotta get SOMEONE, don't you?







With that said, the investigation isn't over yet.

All this proves on either side is that Mueller is doing his job. I see nothing that would tie together what information the two (soon to be three) that have cut cooperation deals with Mueller would have provided for this indictment. Seems there is a much broader investigation going on.

Like you said Arch. the investigation isn't over yet.

BULL! I said the Starr investigation was CRAP!

I just think mule didn't want to drag it out and have the Clintons in even more hot water so was told to just hurry up and get things settled. I mean we KNOW the russians funnelled money to the Clinton library already.

I don't believe anyone does accept or know that Russia meddled. I think there are large numbers of Trump supporters who listen to Trump say that it could have been anyone and believe him.

As to whether it had any affect on the outcome of the election?? Who knows. Maybe 126 million americans saw fake fake news and fake posts and didn't believe a word of any of it. . . . Maybe I dreamed about people online believing Clinton(s) was involved with a child sex ring out of a pizza joint ....

So if I am reading that right Mueller is a Clinton Stooge doing their bidding?

Well all of these Republicans running all these investigations are. Didn't you know that?

OK I'll accept this. So this meddling started in 2014 right? Who was President? Didn't Mitt Romney warn Obama of possible meddling? What did he do? Nothing!



I've always said we are nothing but mice and the TV is the Pied Piper. Some of us Trump supporters KNOW the man.

I don't agree with EVERYTHING Trump does or says. We already know they started meddling again for the 2018 mid terms. If Trump does nothing, I'll be the 1st to chastise him.

How do you know someone that for every two words he says, one is part of a lie? You can't know that person, Trump doesn't even know what Trump will/say do next. I crack up at all the Trump whisperers, that think they know what he means like he's so brilliant that his speech has to be interpreted...

He's a dumbass liar. When you consider that fact, you don't need to worry about what the man says. Stable genius.

LMAO OCD...you can believe what you want and I'll do the same.

I had a GREAT phone convo with a poster about a month ago. If he wants to chime in that's fine but I'm tired of defending my position on Trump.

Here's a little nugget for you; you recall when Trump was signing his businesses over to his kids and he had a press conference with a table full of manila folders filled with papers? I'll bet my life savings those papers were BLANK. How do I know this? Because I know Trumps tactics. Also, he never opened one to show us.

So damn comical. Maybe it takes another stable genius to understand a stable genius

There's a difference between a stable genius and a con man.

You guys can keep up the hate....it's so damn productive

While you wallow in tears your collusion case is all but fallen apart, I'm gonna continue to enjoy this wonderful economy...THANKS TEFLON DON

Wait while I check FOX News...

Yep, another nothingburger.

President Trump is still President Trump.

GOP of Egypt... all living in denial.

It’s completely mind blowing how indictment after indictment, trump supporters act like there’s nothing to see here.

But I’m not surprised. These are the same kind of people who would get duped into moving on an island and drinking the koolaid.

Collusion has long been proven.

The question is, does it matter?

I've long been of the opinion that, no, it doesn't. All political candidates have and will do what Trump did.

The troubling aspect is how incredibly dumb Trump has been about the collusion and his half-ass attempt at denial.

You've got to ask yourself - if someone is this dumb and naive, how badly can he get rolled?

Given Trump's stupidity and his inability to negotiate, you have to fear someone saying "Mr. Trump, you're so smart and rave, can I have X?" and him rolling over like a dog because he's too dumb and weak to know better.

It's not the collusion that's troubling, it's the weakness and stupidity.

You're being awfully hard on yourself arn't you?



Yep, by Hillary and the Dems. We'll see if Mueller does anything about it. I doubt it.