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I’m not completely sold as you are on those three guys, I think they all have a chance to be successful,

Rosen will have to show that he can be a leader, and stay healthy. He has all the tools you’d want from a QB, but is he the leader you want, I’ve read far to many reports for there not to be some truth to it, can’t say how much is true but has to be something to it.

Darnold needs to work on mechanics, that release is not pretty. Will he be able to get away with it at this level? Where split seconds turn into an eternity, or so it seems. Has every other tool you’d want, and has shown to be a good leader.

Mason is a tough one for me, I think he needs to play in a more west coast based offense. I like his deep ball accuracy but feel there are some things he needs to get better at. Wish he could have played at the senior bowl so I could have seen him in a more NFL type of offense.

I’m not saying any of them are destined to fail, they all, and some others( Mike White, Allen, Jackson, the kid from Richmond) all have a chance to be players. Some will have more to overcome then others but it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

Will you show the actual quotes from teammates and coaches that say Rosen isn't a leader?

Thanks.

I'll get it started by posting this video w/Jim Mora, his collegiate HC. Tell me if there is even an hint of leadership or personality issues. In fact, it appears to be just the opposite.

I think Darnold has great peripheral vision. I think that is one thing that makes a great QB. You cant measure it cant prove it. Its just something I think I see.

There's that look in his eye I like. Determination...I'm interested in seeing this kid mature and grow.

All I said is there are too many reports for it ALL to be fake news. There has to be something to it. If you don’t want to believe any of it fine you do that. He may very well be a leader, truthfully I don’t know, from what I’ve read I have questions about it. And there is no way for any of us to know without meeting the kid. I’ve read on here where you’ve been critical of players, I’ll take my own liberty that I can too.

Here’s an article in the LA Times that shows he might have started to change that perception this year, it looks like they talked to a couple of his teammates about it, they said he made strides in that area......


http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-football-20160822-snap-story.html


I never said I believed all of it but it does suggest he needs to get better at it.

dean, I am just saying that the reports I have read are coming from sources that aren't teammates or coaches. It's like "my cousin's friend knows a guy who used to go to UCLA in the 1990s and he said he heard that Rosen isn't a good teammate or leader.

Leadership is a skill that constantly needs to be worked on.

Dang, me too! My cousin's friend must be a friend to your cousins friend.

It's a small world.

Great peripheral vision? Don't think I've heard that before. Do you mean pocket awareness?

If we, and it looks like will, take a QB in the 1st round, we need to get the one who is 1st on our list. Do not settle for anything less. My choice would be Darnold. I like him better than Rosen as far as potential. I have too many concerns about Rosen. I like a lot about Mayfield but I have concerns about him as well. I think Darnold is a safer pick. With that said, I am holding out hope we sign Cousins and use our top picks on impact players.

No I mean peripheral vision. I think the great ones have it I think Kosars was amazing.

Maybe the Cavs can draft him to be our PG.

They are tied together. Darnold has a really broad field of vision that allows him to pick up on things coming at him from the sides more than most QBs. You couple that with hsi really fast reaction time he avoids a lot of hits by slipping around inside the pocket. The problem is that he is over confident because of his natural ability and he doesn't secure the ball properly. I think it's coachable though to fix it.

I am think more about his ability to see the whole field at once. or close to it. I think Manziel had this too.

I understand that, and I take a lot of the reporting about these kids with a grain of salt, there just happens to be a lot reported about Rosen and his character. Maybe it is all speculation or even false, I’m just saying there’s enough there for me to question it. I’ll never know if any of it’s true or not cause I don’t get to meet these kids. He may be a great leader, he may be what people have reported, I’m thinking it’s somewhere in the middle, and he doesn’t have to be liked by all to be a good QB, I’m sure there are different opinions about Brady from his coaches and teammates that you’ll never hear about.

I just included it in my concerns about the kid along with the injury history. They are concerns, for me anyways. They both may turn out to be nothing.

I don't know that it's peripheral vision as much as it is situational awareness.

Kosar was a brilliant quarterback and listening to him and trading about him, he was very aware of game situations. Instincts were incredible and just knew when to get rid of the ball.

I've seen Kizer run around for a half hour, then stand just behind the line of scrimmage waiting for his receiver to get open thinking he's eluded every defender only to get hit and fumble the ball. He doesn't get it.

I've seen Colt McCoy on third down run out of bounds just shy of a first down without trying to stretch the ball forward across the line to gain. He doesn't get it.

I've seen Weeden "rethrow" a pass that has been batted back to him. He doesn't get it.

I've seen Orlovsky run out of the back of the end zone attempting a pass. He doesn't get it.

I've seen Kirk Cousins kneel down in the final seconds of a half when he should have spiked the ball to stop the clock. He doesn't get it.


To become an elite quarterback you have to have great instincts and great situational awareness. Guys like Brady, Manning, Wilson, Roethlisberger...they get it. The guys who don't get it don't win super bowls.

I guess my point is that when people make stuff up about a kid w/out real facts, why in the hell would you keep repeating unsubstantiated rumors especially when so many posters read things like that and act like it's true?

Look, I could care less if you like Rosen or not. We all have our opinions and differences in opinions are cool. However, spreading false rumors to further your opinion is not nearly as cool.

https://larrybrownsports.com/college-football/espn-josh-rosen-toughness-leadership/405547

ESPN’s announcing team for Saturday’s UCLA-Washington game raised questions about Josh Rosen’s toughness and leadership after the Bruins quarterback exited the game in the third quarter.

Rosen got hurt in the middle of the third quarter and went to the locker room with what the announcers said was a finger injury. He was replaced by Devon Modster. When he emerged from the locker room in the fourth quarter, he was in street clothes.

After the game, UCLA head coach Jim Mora offered little about the nature of Rosen’s injury.

The uncertainty surrounding his situation didn’t stop ESPN’s announcing team of Brock Huard and Bob Wischusen from questioning Rosen’s toughness. They brought up examples of other quarterbacks who have played hurt and said NFL scouts and teams would wonder about how tough the QB is if he was sidelined by a finger injury.

As if that weren’t rough enough on the QB, sideline reporter Allison Williams joined in a few minutes later by questioning Rosen’s leadership.

“I’ve been watching him down on the sidelines, and I gotta say I did not like how he responded as things went south,” Williams said during a fourth quarter report while UCLA was trailing 37-16. “At the beginning of the game he was engaged, he was asking a lot of questions, which is his trademark. And then as he started to struggle, he got quiet. And the one thing I noticed: When things weren’t going well, it wasn’t him going up to his teammates saying, ‘Hey, we’re going to be alright.’ It was his teammates going up to him saying, ‘Hey, are we going to be alright?’

“I just thought it was interesting, when things got tough, the way he got quiet.”

Rosen had by far his least productive passing game of the season, going 12 of 21 for 93 yards and a touchdown in the game. The junior is in the mix to be the first quarterback drafted if he chooses to leave school. There have been a lot of questions about his character considering some of his actions, such as his comments about school and football, his hot tub incident, and his Trump hat, among other things. On top of all that, now he has TV announcers editorializing and being critical of him too.

May I ask why you posted that article? Huard is not a teammate or a coach of Rosen. He is an announcer.

It's also interesting you didn't post Mora's comments in reply to Huard's. Here they are:

That lasted all of one post.

First I heard about a Trump hat, so I googled. It was actually a "F*** Trump" hat, but whatever, Rosen wouldn't be the first college Junior to have a liberal political leaning. I don't really care about that. What bugs me about Rosen is his thin frame (conversely, one of the things I like about Darnold is his thick frame). I heard a radio guy say that Rosen was built like a Twizzler. I just wonder if he can withstand NFL hits, especially on our frozen stadium turf in December and January.

I didn’t realize I posted false information, by saying I have questions about his leadership. My opinion, which I based on many articles, isn’t false information. The only article I posted was from the LA times, where they did interview his teammates, which you asked for, don’t see how that’s false information.

I never said I didn’t like him and as a matter of fact I said he has everything you’d want from a QB prospect. All I said is I have questions about his leadership(which I think he has gotten better at but still needs to improve), and his injury history. I think they are valid concerns.

I have concerns with ALL the QBs this year.


I went through this last year with you on Myles Garrett when I questioned his motor and injury history, which many questioned. You called that false information also. Again it’s just my opinion and concerns, I have never posted any false information, maybe some have but I have not, I have only posted my take on what I read about these kids and what I see on the field, which you obviously don’t agree with, that doesn’t make what I say false information.


I don’t know if posters are reading what I’m writing and taking it as fact or not, I’d hope not. And I’m not really bashing the kid, I think he’s got a great chance for success. I try to be as respectful as I can to the kids even if I don’t like them, but I will post my concerns also. I try to do the same to the other posters on here, even when I don’t agree with them or they don’t agree with me.

Everyone has to realize that none of these QB's, as well as any draft pick at any position, is a finished product. They all need coaching especially the QB's because they have to learn a new system. Most of the flaws we see can be corrected and they should be with good coaching. I believe we now have the right people in place to achieve this.

Does this apply to Kizer as well?

Yes it does apply to DK. I think DK got rushed and wasn't ready. I believe he would have benefited sitting and learning. The one flaw he does have that will be difficult to correct is accuracy. That is a tough one but one that can at least be improved with work.

I too see DK as better than we've seen. He should have sat a year or two. That said, I believe that 3 years from now, both Darnold and Rosen will be better QB than Kizer. My hope is to have Kizer as a good back up.

Darnold does well with chaos. I wish he showed more on script. USC's offense was underwhelming. I see a fairly steep learning curve for Darnold and patience hasn't been one of our virtues as an organization. He seems to have the raw goods, but the inability we've shown to see things through makes me extremely hesitant at 1-1.

The key to Darnolds success is his reaction time. He reacts to things in a way that reminds me of Spiderman's Spidey sense. It's really amazing to watch him slip around things that you just know he has no way of seeing it. It's hard to predict how that will translate at the faster pace of the NFL but at the least he won't be a statue in the pocket.

If we play him, I hope he can get meshed into new OC's game calling. No more Sizer-Like nonsense. Losing games while we keep explaining away why he is still there turning it over infuriated me. Games were like practice extensions.

I sure want to see him ready, because the Left Coast ain't the NFL. Some of this memory is selective; I had seen him look bad, like last game. Just want to be less hyperbolic about this.
If he is best in our opinion, great. Take him. But none of this trust nonsense that was bottom of the barrel IMO, much worse than I had reasonably anticipated. Call the game he is limited to put out there on the field.

Why Darnold is the best QB in the draft - Brugler.

http://draftscout.tsxfiles.com/2018/02/22/brugler-why-darnold-is-the-best-qb-in-the-draft/

https://twitter.com/bgradkowski5/status/966852908900810752

https://twitter.com/bgradkowski5/status/966846899969052672

I like Darnold and all, but that first ass was very dangerous throwing into triple coverage.

Geez, what would you call him if you DIDN'T like him??

Report: Sam Darnold won't throw in Indy

Posted by Josh Alper on February 27, 2018, 10:49 AM EST

The top quarterback prospects in this year’s draft class will be looking for ways to differentiate themselves from one another over the next couple of months and Sam Darnold has reportedly found a way to do it in Indianapolis this week.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Darnold will not take part in throwing drills during the Scouting Combine. He is expected to throw at USC’s Pro Day workout on March 21 instead.

Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph are all expected to do the throwing drills in Indy. Lamar Jackson has not announced what he plans to do at this point.

There have been plenty of quarterbacks in the past who have passed on throwing at the combine in favor of working in familiar conditions and with familiar receivers at their schools. That trend has reversed in recent years, but it seems Darnold will not be part of that wave.